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Lorien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-12-03 03:13 AM
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Gotta love Viggo Mortensen (he sounds like a DUer)!
Edited on Fri Dec-12-03 03:32 AM by Jen6
Terrific interview in Salon.com with actor Viggo Mortenson "the man who would be King": http://www.salon.com/ent/movies/int/2003/10/24/viggo/index2.html

Here are a few snips:
What do you think about the fact that many in the U.S. want part of the money we give Iraq to be considered a "loan" to be repaid with oil revenues?
VM: Cheney was speaking to a bunch of Republicans the other day, and he said that the U.S. taxpayer would not pay a single cent for the Iraq reconstruction. He said Iraqis would have to do that themselves. I think this is not only a lie -- one that he is quite conscious of telling -- but the statement itself, true or not, displays the horribly arrogant attitude of the current administration. We went into Iraq and made a friggin' mess for no reason at all -- well, for economic reasons that will benefit a lucky few -- and we've seriously undermined any kind of global community.
As many problems as the U.N. has had and as much hypocrisy as it has displayed, I would rather have them taking care of business over there as opposed to our government's piecemeal, self-serving efforts. To see the president of the United States and his administration admonish the U.N. and individual wealthy nations to pitch in with reconstruction now that such a mess has been made by the U.S. government -- which, as everyone knows, chose to deride and completely ignore the grave concerns expressed by the community of nations when invading Iraq in the first place -- displays a degree of arrogance that's as frightening as it is ridiculous. For the American citizen, real dialogue and balanced information about these matters has been largely choked off. In some way, I think that small companies or individuals that are willing to help draw a broader picture, offer more information and contrasting views, are especially valuable at this time. They're worth their weight in oil!
(snip)
Who do they think pays their salaries?
VM: Exactly. People clearly have a right to express their opinion. Everyone has to work at staying open-minded no matter where they're coming from, and it's not easy when you're bombarded with calculated messages all the time. The current administration is, in many ways, perhaps the most powerful and effective public relations firm in the world. When I hear "Homeland Security," I immediately think of Vaterland. Red lights start flashing -- "Vaterland, Vaterland, Vaterland! Deutschland über Alles!" (Laughs.) You know what I mean?Just the names, the words for some of these things, can be intimidating and distracting. The PATRIOT Act -- when you find out what that actually means, when you do a minimum of reading and research, you find you have not misjudged the intent behind such legislation when you instinctively felt alarm, were worried that the government was amplifying its control over our individual rights, our free will. The PATRIOT Act sounded scary, but turned out to be even scarier than its name. You can read about it, inform yourself. Most people don't. Most people don't even know what the Bill of Rights is, but they throw that phrase around. A lot of politicians and government officials don't even know what the Bill of Rights is about.
(snip)
You read about Bush saying just the other day that he knows Hussein is not connected to 9/11? Well, it's nice that you say that now, so long after the fact, after all the needless suffering, destruction and ill will generated toward the United States. I mean, I can't count how many times he has consciously linked Hussein and al-Qaida in his speeches before, during and after the war. He kept doing it and didn't retract any of it until after we'd already done incredible damage, to not only Iraq but also America's credibility, image and standing in the world. To say nothing of the ordinary American and Iraqi lives lost or irrevocably harmed. It's a little too late to say that. It's like that retraction on Page 14 about the story of the guy with three heads who fucks rabbits -- a little too late now! That guy's gonna be denying that story for the rest of his life, pulling down his shirt collar to show there are no scars.
That's hilarious. But it just goes to show you how powerful language can be, right?
VM: With regard to history, Bush's record with regard to foreign relations, the environment, the economy, concern for the average citizen ... I can't think of any accomplishment that will put him anywhere else than in last place historically as a president. Of all the presidents in the history of the United States, it's hard to think that there's anything other than public relations -- getting people to swallow huge lies so you can get your dirty work done -- that this president will be considered remarkable for.

It's a long interview. To read the whole thing, you'll have to subscribe or get a day pass (well worth sitting through the environmental action ad)!

BTW- Mortensen was recently Blacklisted by www.celiberal.com for his political beliefs.
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CanuckAmok Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-12-03 03:29 AM
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1. Yeah, he seems pretty "in tune"...and...
...didn't some DUers see him at a Peace rally a couple of months back?
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Lorien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-12-03 03:31 AM
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2. Really? I didn't hear about that
maybe they'll refresh our memories. ;-)
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w13rd0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-12-03 03:56 AM
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3. He was at the last peace rally...
...threw out hand painted T-shirts to the crowd.
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nostamj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-12-03 09:11 AM
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5. he was at the DC 10/25 Rally and March...
Edited on Fri Dec-12-03 09:14 AM by nostamj
iirc, youngred got one of the t-shirts he tossed into the crowd.



very easy on the eyes too!
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Lorien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-12-03 11:24 AM
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11. Very cool
I was traveling that week-wish it had been to DC! ;-)
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AWD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-12-03 05:27 PM
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28. so did boilerbabe
Edited on Fri Dec-12-03 05:28 PM by AWD
She got one also. She seemed a bit embarrassed to jump into that crowd to get one.

Of course, for the 4 minutes he was speaking, she was sterile. So were liberalhistorian and veganwitch, if I recall correctly.

Hell, the guy is a drop-dead-gorgeous actor, at an anti-war rally, where he read a poem and mocked the "God Hates You" people from the stage. How the hell does an average guy compete with THAT?????
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jpgray Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-12-03 08:04 AM
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4. Viggo reminds me of an "older school" of American actors
Today's acting world is so insular and superficial, even many who claim to a social conscience sound a little silly and uninformed, as though they picked out their views like a set of clothes, ever watchful of the curent fashions and trends.
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Killarney Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-12-03 09:18 AM
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6. Intelligent, liberal, AND hot!
Someone please wipe the drool off my keyboard. ;)
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Bridget Burke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-12-03 09:25 AM
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7. Also in "Vanity Fair" on the newsstands now!
He's got degrees in Government & Spanish, is a good father & cleans up nicely.

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tjdee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-12-03 09:33 AM
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9. Good God, Viggo!!
Wow, that's a good looking guy.

All the *really* cute ones are liberals, LOL.
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smirkymonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-12-03 03:51 PM
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23. Viggo and I have the same alma mater...
He left a year before I got there - what a tragedy.

A thinking woman's sex symbol!
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WindRavenX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-12-03 09:21 PM
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32. DAMN!~~~
I am SO buying that magazine!!! :9 :9
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-12-03 09:32 AM
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8. Viggo you ROCK!
Wow he stated a lot of things in a very fluid and consice way.

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Rabrrrrrr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-12-03 09:36 AM
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10. Go viggo!
A liberal actor/celebritry who can speak intelligently!

Yee hah!

This outght to cheese off all the freeps who were keen on Viggo becuase of their latent, unaddresses homoerotic tendencies, but also becuase they assumed that sense he played Aragorn he must be conservative. Why they would make that conclusion I don't know, but I'd bet you a thousand dollars some of them did, becuase I'm willing to bet a thousand bucks tehre's a fair crew of freeps who think Lord of the Rings is a pro-war pro-segregationist moral story.
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Lorien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-12-03 02:49 PM
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19. I read somewhere
that Mortensen said that Bush* is proving himself to be the Sauron of our time, with which I could not agree more. He's heard Freeps claims that LOTR is pro-war and pro-Bush*; obviously Freeps have never read LOTR and known nothing of WWI vet Tolkien, who was antiwar, pro-environment, and anti Nazi! Mortensen brings this up time and time again in interviews.
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Rabrrrrrr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-12-03 09:05 PM
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31. Well, freepers are ignorant morans
so, as I predicted, I'm not at all surprised that many think LOTR is a pro-war, pro-nationalistic, pro-violence kind of film.

And those might very well be the same freepers who want Harry Potter banned from libraries.


These people are just dumb. Same idiots who read "1984" and say "See what the liberals want to make the world like?"
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buddhamama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-12-03 11:28 AM
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12. yes, gotta
and i do!

he's gorgeous and a progressive thinker.

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tigereye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-12-03 12:39 PM
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13. Gosh, he's gorgeous, gracious, talented, liberal
and articulate. I agree about the drool. And I think I read in the NYT that he is married to Exene, late of X. What a great guy. He was wonderful on Charlie Rose a while back with his No Blood for Oil t-shirt, he and P Jackson were plugging one of the LOTR movies. PJ just looked uncomfortable ( wonder what his political views are..) during the political part of the discussion!
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Screaming Lord Byron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-12-03 12:41 PM
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14. I imagine PJ's a political atheist, but 90% of Kiwi's are to the left of
most of the US, from my personal experience
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Coventina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-12-03 12:43 PM
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15. I think Peter's left of center
He may have been somewhat nervous about possible controversy affecting the reception of the movies.
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tjdee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-12-03 12:58 PM
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16. They're amicably diorced....
LOL, my keyboard is acting silly, but they're no longer married, I beliee. They're still friends....GQ told me so, LOL.
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Bridget Burke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-12-03 01:01 PM
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17. He & Exene divorced but they're still friends....
There's a link to her website at HIS website, Perceval Press.

He founded Perceval Press when he began making serious money from his films, to publish his works & those by other artists.

http://percevalpress.com
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Shakespeare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-12-03 01:03 PM
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18. Nope, he's single....divorced from Exene years ago.
So, more drool.... ;-)
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Kat45 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-12-03 03:05 PM
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20. One of my friends knows Viggo!
Edited on Fri Dec-12-03 03:05 PM by notmyprez
She says he's a really nice guy as well as being gorgeous. He's also an artist and photographer whose work has been exhibited.
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populistmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-12-03 03:39 PM
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21. Where's SOteric?
I've been expecting you to chime in on this one. ;)
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TXlib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-12-03 03:50 PM
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22. Why, is she hot for Aragorn?
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VelmaD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-12-03 03:52 PM
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24. We are all...
hot for Aragorn.

And Legolas.

And Boromir.

And Faramir.

And Eomer.

And...
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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-12-03 04:17 PM
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25. you speak the truth. Drool. Too many men, so little ... access
A friend of mine was at a New York showing of his photos and he's very interested in people and spends time with you, talking to you. She said he's very soft spoken, quiet but not shy and very, very
decent and nice to people. He's very smart and thinks before he speaks. Hows that for perfect?
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Lorien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-12-03 04:29 PM
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26. Well, not all
I can't say that I can swoon over people I don't personally know. I've met more celebrities than I can count, and have been disappointed by the majority of them.But Mortensen seems to have a beautiful mind from his interviews and art, and that's a plus.

Mortensen is more attractive with the LOTR look than with his natural haircolor, IMHO-accept he (and the rest) need showers!I don't remember Tolkien noting that Aragorn was perpetually filthy.
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demnan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-12-03 04:49 PM
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27. I'll just add my drool to ongoing concensis on VM
Bush is Sauron of our time - good one. (although my vote is for Cheney, I think Bush is just Wormtongue).

Of course I think Dean is Frodo, but that's another story . . .
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Lisa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-12-03 08:37 PM
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29. He predicted that certain people might try to use LOTR as Bush propaganda
... right after the 2001 attacks, even before the film was released. I think he's been doing a great job of trying to counter that with audiences -- attempting to reach people who aren't quite as political or might even have some conservative leanings, such as the action/adventure fans.

I noticed that a couple of the younger cast members had said things, e.g. about good/evil in the present day, that were being used as justification for invading Iraq by the pro-Bush types (even if the actors themselves don't really support it). Anyway, Viggo jumped right in and started talking about the dangers of power and how it can corrupt -- he was so passionate and articulate that even fan magazines like "Starlog" which don't normally do political stuff quoted him at length. From what I've read of Tolkien's explanations of his own work, I suspect that he and Viggo would be in agreement on many issues. (Tolkien noted that he wouldn't even trust the Allied governments not to use something as powerful as the Ring ...)
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Breezy du Nord Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-12-03 08:38 PM
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30. He's like another Johnny Depp!
:eyes:
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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-12-03 09:30 PM
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33. snicker. having a conversation about a man who thinks who happens
to be an actor always brings out comments like yours.
I sort of agree that there is a prejudice about people
if they have certain jobs. Viggo is articulate and a
good guy. Bully for him.
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