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ZombieNixon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 04:54 PM
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Am I totally fucking unemployable?!
Edited on Wed Sep-20-06 05:20 PM by ZombieNixon
14 applications out (so far, I do more every day), 7 rejected, 7 still active (apparently), 0 job offers extended. What the hell is wrong with me? I think I'm pretty nice, I'm personable, I handle people well. I can program circles around some of the damn professors here. In my life, I've only missed one day of work for reasons that were not completely unavoidable. I have a 3.7+ GPA. I'm on the highest scholarship my university offers...and yet, I still have no job. I haven't even been contacted for fucking interview! At least then I'd be able to go and find out directly that they don't want me, but no...people sit on my application and don't do crap. They don't return my calls, they don't return my e-mails. The one time I got through to someone it was to find out the position had already been closed even though it was still listed as open. Half the time, the employers don't even provide contact information.

And yet, some of the stupidest, drunkest people I've ever seen (thankfully there aren't all *too* many of them here) get extended offers right and left. x( How the fuck do they get stuff and I don't?! If I don't land a job soon, I'll starve...my entire living arrangement this year hinges on getting a job! Argh! Why? I just want to scream.

Don't think I'm not talking to people and following up. Comments along the lines of "why aren't you applying yourself harder?" followed by a snarky smiley will be met with a string of obscenities and quite possibly an ignore (something which I'm famous for never having used). If, however, you have some helpful suggestions, I welcome them.

Yeah, I know this didn't solve anything, but it made me feel a bit better. Rant over. We now return you to your regularly scheduled lounge.

NOTE: All this ranting is about work study jobs.
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Broken_Hero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 04:55 PM
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1. Its life...it happens...
I currently find myself in the same funk...take heart, and don't give up like I did...my give a damn meter has broke.
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ZombieNixon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 04:57 PM
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4. I have to give a damn.
No job means no eat. :(
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Broken_Hero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 04:58 PM
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8. Good luck
and hopefully you find something that is in your field, before you start going down the road of lesser/unsavory jobs...but you have to do what you got to do. I settled for a Sub teaching job...not what I wanted, but it works, and I actually like working with the kids.
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LSK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 04:55 PM
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2. what are you programming in?
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ZombieNixon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 04:56 PM
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3. C, C++, Java, HTML (which technically isn't code, but people want it),
you name it. Even if I don't know it, I can learn it really quickly.
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LSK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 05:00 PM
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11. dot.net is hot right now
Edited on Wed Sep-20-06 05:02 PM by LSK
C# specifically. And java. And definately know SQL.

Try http://chicago.craigslist.org/sof/

http://www.computerjobs.com

The job market is pretty good for me right now, but I have 10 years experience and could probably undercut most on salary.
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ZombieNixon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 05:07 PM
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18. Yeah, see, I have no paid experience in my field,
but I can do many people's jobs in the field better than they can.

Price you pay for growing up in a shithole town. :(
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Roon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 04:57 PM
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5. Have you tried monster.com?
Or perhaps you can pick up some temp work? I know these aren't the greatest ideas, but at least working temp you can stay put, for now...
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Roon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 04:58 PM
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7. Oh yeah
check out craigslist.com too!!
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ZombieNixon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 04:59 PM
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10. Oh, yeah, I forgot to mention in the OP:
I have $4000 of federal work study which I'll probably lose next year if I don't get an on-campus job, so getting a job here would be highly, HIGHLY preferable.
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Haole Girl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 04:58 PM
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6. I'm sorry
:hug:
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ZombieNixon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 05:01 PM
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13. Thanks.
I hope something turns up soon. :( :hug:
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CaliforniaPeggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 04:59 PM
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9. My dear Zombie......
No suggestions.......just this: :loveya: :hug:

I'm holding the good thought for you........
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ZombieNixon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 05:01 PM
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14. Thanks.
Something better turn up or I'm pretty much fucked. :( :hug:
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ceile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 05:00 PM
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12. I've been looking for 2 yrs
I am currenetly employed, but have been looking for something new for 2 years!! Hundreds of apps maybe 6 or 7 interviews. I feel your pain. Something will come along.
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ZombieNixon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 05:03 PM
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15. It better...
but I'm running out of cash on hand. What I have now will barely last me until the end of this quarter, after which I'll have three week reprieve, but after that I'll have to start relying on care packages from home...which I'm too proud to ask for...and I really shouldn't ask my parents for anything else anyway, they're already doing enough. :(
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AutumnMist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 05:04 PM
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16. Sign Up With A Professional Placement Agency
Head hunters are aggressive and usually concise in their placement. Many top companies use them. My husband works for JP Morgan Chase. They hire most people through professional placement agencies. Try it. It might be something that works out for you. :)
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ZombieNixon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 05:05 PM
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17. Would they take a college student?
Edited on Wed Sep-20-06 05:07 PM by ZombieNixon
:shrug: I'm only a second year (though technically I have junior standing in terms of credits).
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LSK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 05:10 PM
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24. doesnt your school offer placement?
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ZombieNixon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 05:15 PM
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27. They have a "Career Center"
Edited on Wed Sep-20-06 05:16 PM by ZombieNixon
which in my experience has been bullshit help. They screen all the applications (or so they say, I've had some of mine go from submission straight to the employer in an hour) and then they say it's all out of their hands. In most cases, it's up to the employer to contact you. (Even when the employer provides contact info, I've never heard back, not even once).
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AutumnMist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 05:13 PM
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26. I Would Try It
some companies like degrees, others base hiring on experience in the field that you are in. If you have credits to apply towards the job you are searching for it would be worth a shot. You will be "interviewed" in a placement agency to see what you know and what you can do for the most part (Google it for your city). They will then take the knowledge that you have and apply it to other high level companies. Temp agencies are not what I am talking about. Deal with someone that has white collar jobs with contractor wages and option to hire after contract is done agreements. It doesn't always happen. But you can find them. They don't offer benefits in most cases, but the wages are usually good. I hope this helps! :)
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Hugin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 05:07 PM
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19. No advice...
Way back when I first entered the job market, it took me 6 months to get my
first nibble. Believe me, I yanked that hook hard. It was during times similar
to these.

Just hang in there... You're doing all you can do and soon someone with the
sense enough to spot a great asset such as you is going to come.

Really.

:thumbsup:
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ZombieNixon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 05:09 PM
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21. All I can say is, I hope you're right.
Because right now it doesn't seem that way.

I do know that I won't last six months. Three at the most. :(
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mzteris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 05:08 PM
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20. Do you have a resume?
Even with an "application", you should have a resume. Preferably one "tailored" for whichever job you're applying. Cover letters can also highlight certain aspects that you know they're looking for.

Try and pick up the application to take home and complete if at all possible. That way you can approach it carefully. Either way (if you're filling out an application there) - you need to write NEATLY. Spell everything correctly. Have all of your information handy. Ask them if they want the application filled out ENTIRELY - *EVEN IF* you have a resume. (Some companies really hate it when you write "see resume" across the Work History section, etc. Some don't care.) A messy application will often be rejected immediately.

How you dress when you go to pick up/fill out/drop off the application may be noted by someone. How you treat the receptionist. How you speak and communicate. Do you have BO? Chew gum noisily? Have bad breath? (Don't laugh. It happens.)

I'm not saying that any of things ARE what's *wrong*. I don't know what's wrong - heck, I don't even know you - I'm just throwing out some of the things in my experience as a former HR Manager - from which you might benefit.





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ZombieNixon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 05:13 PM
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25. I do have a resume,
but I'm applying for on-campus jobs so I can fulfill my work study award, and all the applications are handled on-line so it can't help but be neat.

I never went to drop off an application in person here, but no, I'm the most hygienic person you'll ever meet (my roommates laugh at me for cleaning the bathroom every week), I rarely chew gum at all...I'm quite articulate (though I will confess to being one of those guys who tends to "talk with his hands"). Hell, I'm respectful to everyone, right down to the janitor, unless someone's an asshole to me, in which case all bets are off.
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bettyellen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 05:27 PM
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32. all the apps are online? well then you have to find these people in RL...
real life, and impress them. even if you have an outstanding resume, no one reads them.
don't ask me why, they glimpse. if you are replying on line, you ARE fucked, it's just a lottery. so,
apply yourself, get your ass out to where they are hiring, ask people, as many as you can think ofg, students, teachers, office workers.....yes strangers for help.
do not whine or beg, just seem confident and knowledable. if thwese people are reviewing on-line apps, they ought to be thrilled to meet a nice candidate.
if you need to pad your resume, look into a volunteer opportunity or two. do a talk at the boyys and girls club, mentor kids once or twice and BAM you're a consultant or an instructor.
if you're so damn smart, work it.
now get out there and make me proud.
:HI:
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ZombieNixon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 05:32 PM
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34. In most cases, the employers don't give their office locations.
Just phone numbers and e-mails (if that, 75% of the jobs listed don't want you to contact them). :( But, there is one who did provide her office, so I'm going to go ask her tomorrow. Hopefully that turns up something. :shrug: :hi:
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bettyellen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 05:55 PM
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45. seriously, treat it as a treasure hunt, and find them......
c'mon now, do your rersearch, figure out who to ask, make some calls and find them, and then go meet them, or their staff.
only then, will you will have a much better chance than someone who applied online. trust me, ask people for info, contacts, etc. most people love to help. if an ad says not to call, drop by. :). if it says not to drop by, then call. :P!
meet the gate keepers, recepttion, entry level people, etc, and make them like you, ask them for help in "breaking through" someone out there has a tip for you or can put in a word for you, or can put your resume on top of the pile. you need to make one new friend, and you are in!
but you have got to make a personal contact to be a stand out. or get someone to vouch for you and get you out of that pile. it will make a huge difference. trust me. some boss out there will be grateful you made the extra effort.
go git em tiger, and let me know how it goes.
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Courtesy Flush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 06:47 PM
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52. Any silly email addresses?
If it's all done online you need to be sure you're not using an email address that red flags you. hackmaster@ or blowjobking@ will kill the deal.
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ZombieNixon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 06:50 PM
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54. No...
they're all flastname@depaul.edu, where f is the first letter of whatever the person's first name is.
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Broken_Hero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 05:09 PM
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22. my issue with finding a job
Edited on Wed Sep-20-06 05:10 PM by petersond
a social work degree(AA, I know its weak), a working resume as long as my arm....contacts as long as my arm, recommendations from the president of my alma mater ,and other professors...

And I got turned down over 100 times...I got turned down for janitor jobs, cafeteria work(which is a laugh, most of my work history is food service), a call operator, security...and a ton of other positions...and then...I watched School of Rock, and told myself...shit, I can be a sub teacher! And lo and behold, they actually took me...after 7 months of looking for work...

on edit:to clarify
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Kat45 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 05:10 PM
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23. I guess you're getting a welcome to the real world while still in college.
It sucks, don't it? Believe me, I emphathize; I'm not being snarky, but sarcasm often gets me through. I got laid off in February and haven't found a job yet. (I have 2 degrees.) And that was a job I'd only had for 9 months. Before that, all I found were combos of part time jobs ever since getting laid off from a decent job back in 1999 (when I first learned about outsourcing).

Good luck. Won't your school help you get a work study job on campus?
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ZombieNixon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 05:17 PM
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28. Thanks.
This entire rant is about work study jobs (I really should put that in the OP). I have $4000 of WS to fulfill. Nothing. :(
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Broken_Hero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 05:19 PM
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29. work study IME is hard to pull off
unless you know somebody to sorta/kinda grease the wheels if you know what I mean...I got quite a few work study jobs, and because I knew the powers that be, I got in...but, I knew the job backward/forward, they knew what they were getting with me...:)
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LSK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 05:20 PM
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30. also try this
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lizziegrace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 05:27 PM
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31. ZN
Edited on Wed Sep-20-06 05:27 PM by lizziegrace
Work study students cost much, much less to employ because the federal government is picking up the tab. Call financial aid and ask how much it costs a department to employ you, per hour. Find a department or area you'd like to work in and ask them if they'd like to have you there and it'll be a bargain. Some may not know that Federal Work Study students are cheap.

Also remember, since the funds are federal, you cannot be employed using other federal monies (research grants, etc).

Good luck! I know how maddening this is.

:hug:
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ZombieNixon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 05:29 PM
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33. It is maddening, isn't it?
Because I don't know how to work the old boys system I'm at a disadvantage. x(

Oh, well, I have all day tomorrow to work this out. :shrug:

:hug:
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lizziegrace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 05:33 PM
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36. You don't have to play the game
but you do have to sell yourself. I know you can do this. :)
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ZombieNixon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 05:36 PM
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38. I'm going to go just ask around the computer science building tomorrow.
Starting at the front desk, though, I swear, if they talk me in circles and send me back to the damn Career Center, I might well have an aneurysm out of frustration on the spot. x(
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lizziegrace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 05:40 PM
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39. How are you on networks and PC troubleshooting?
Edited on Wed Sep-20-06 05:41 PM by lizziegrace
:shrug:

Or maybe working in a computer lab for a prof's class?
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ZombieNixon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 05:44 PM
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41. Networks I can wangle pretty effectively,
Edited on Wed Sep-20-06 05:58 PM by ZombieNixon
troubleshooting in general is no problem for me. I've applied for jobs like that left and right. One problem I seem to be encountering is the fact that they always seem to list a bunch of extraneous skills that really seems to have no relevance to the position (like how does 1 year of telemarketing experience help with an IT services job?)

Problem is everything related to jobs gets you directed back to the Career Center who are no help at all. :(

*sigh* Maybe I just need to give it more time.
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lizziegrace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 05:49 PM
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44. Approach a department of college.
IT people are stretched very thin and they may want to hire you if their outlay is only a couple of dollars an hour (as a work-study student).

I'm speaking from experience. We always hired end-user and network support students at the Vet Hospital. We couldn't commit to full-time or even part-time permanent positons because the cost was so high.

:hug:



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tjwmason Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 05:32 PM
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35. Two words
Rent boy.

You'd make a mint, I'm sure.

Oh, you want something relevant to your course - sorry can't help you much there.
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ZombieNixon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 05:33 PM
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37. ...
:eyes: :P

Yeah, something relevant to my major would be nice...not totally necessary, but nice. Any job on campus would do, though. :shrug:
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tjwmason Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 05:41 PM
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40. I think it would count as self-employment
if that's any help. :P
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ZombieNixon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 05:44 PM
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42. Wouldn't give me the work study.
I'd still have to pay taxes on it. x(
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tjwmason Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 05:47 PM
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43. Well in that case...
I suppose we better think of something else - just as the suggestion was going so well.
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Mike03 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 06:29 PM
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46. Please Don't Be Discouraged
Fourteen resumes sent, seven rejected, seven still active--those numbers are nowhere near as bad as what I faced in the mid 90s when I was searching. I had sent out more than forty and got one interview. Then, as a writer, my experience was even more depressing--sending out expensive PR kits and not even getting responses, or getting rejection letters or demands to rework a piece of writing I'd spent years on and was sick of. Your situation may be frustrating, but stick with it and keep your chin up, because to an outside observer, it doesn't look bad at all. And congrats on the GPA and academic achievements!
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ZombieNixon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 06:37 PM
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47. The GPA and academic achievements are nice...
but don't mean much if nobody notices them...and without a job I won't be making much more of them for long.

I know I'm not as bad off as some, and I'm not going to give up...but I'm the type who wouldn't give up if the Career Center burned down and the university announced that work study jobs would no longer be given out. I'm stubborn to a fault and I don't really known when to quit. :(
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Mike03 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 08:53 PM
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76. "Stubborn to a fault"
That's a wonderful trait to have.

Have you thought about sitting down and writing a Strategy Book? Just an idea. It would be like your Blueprint for achieving your goals. I actually got this idea from reading the Clinton/Gore book way back when, in 1992. Just an idea.
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EstimatedProphet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 06:39 PM
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48. Whoa! Dude, don't give up!
Edited on Wed Sep-20-06 06:40 PM by EstimatedProphet
To put it in perspective...

I have well over 200 applications sent out. I've had 8 interviews from those, all since the beginning of June. And this has been my easiest job search so far - this one only took 4 months, and they usually take at least 6 months.

Believe me, I know it's tough. Keep punching. Get on Monster and CareerBuilder and apply for anything that even remotely looks like you could do it. The job I just got was only because I applied for another job with this company, and they couldn't place me in that one for budgetary reasons but still wanted to hire me, so they offered me a similar one outside my field.

On edit: I missed the note about this being work/study. However, the same strategy still applies. Keep hitting every single job you can.
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ZombieNixon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 06:42 PM
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49. Thankfully I'm not quite out in the Real World yet.
(I'd die). I'm looking for a work study job on campus. Unfortunately, the process here isn't one that tends to offering you similar positions. You're either accepted for the position you apply for or you aren't. Right now, I'm not. :(
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EstimatedProphet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 06:46 PM
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51. Keep at it though
Look at it this way - the only way to guarantee that you won't get a job is to not look.

But believe me, I know the frustration. Keep going though.
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ZombieNixon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 06:49 PM
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53. I applied for...I think five jobs today alone.
(I can't remember exactly; I've started drinking and I'm caring slightly less). If one...just one of those comes through, I will not complain in the least. Hell, if I even get called for an interview by one of the...rejected or not...I will be happy. At least then I'll know I can be considered for something other than chopping meat at Safeway.
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EstimatedProphet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 06:51 PM
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55. Good luck
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ZombieNixon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 06:52 PM
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57. Thanks.
:toast:
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Courtesy Flush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 06:44 PM
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50. Life is a popularuty contest
I don't care how qualified you are, it's all about the cool kids and the geeky kids. High school never ends. I'm 47 years old, and I can say this from experience.

If you don't fit into social situations, it's all that much harder to find work.

When you get that job, keep it.
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ZombieNixon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 06:52 PM
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56. Hell, I'm quite sociable.
I can hold my own in a good conversation (I generally suck over the phone, but that's another story). In terms of social classification, I'd (and others would, too) say I'm too cool to be a geek and too geeky to be cool. I guess that means I'm screwed. :P
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subway Donating Member (2 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 06:52 PM
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58. re: working for the man...
As others have already told you, 14 applications is NOTHING. I graduated the year Reagan got elected and just a couple of months after he was shot. I had all four walls and half of the ceiling plastered with rejection notices before I found work. (at least 100 rejection letters and that's not counting all of the companies that never sent a written reply) And this was in the days before computers or even word processors. In other words, each of those rejection letters was in response to a hand typed application letter from me. And I had an engineering degree!!! (from one of them "elite east coast private institutions".)

Assuming that you are young and mostly debt free (at least no dependents), look on this as an opportunity to get some 'life experience.' Take the first gig that offers you a trip out of the country: teach English to the mistresses of Colombian drug lords; join the crew of an eco-activist anti-whaling boat; join the Peace Corps, or if you see yourself as a real badass, the French Foreign Legion (they really do still exist, and they are looking for someone JUST LIKE YOU!); or if all else fails, take on more debt and go to grad school, but not in some lame mid-western cow town - check out the course catalog at the Tahiti School of tanning or Denmark's Institute of Free Love.

My point with the last paragraph is that I would gladly trade my low six figure salary gig for your situtation in a flash. You'll have a lifetime of getting up when its still dark out to go do something just for the thrill of earning money to pay bills. Don't be in such a rush to get tied down.

good luck and I hope you find something fun to occupy your time until you become a 'salary man.'
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ZombieNixon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 06:56 PM
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60. First off,
welcome to DU! Enjoy it here. GD can be a bitch, the Lounge is pretty fun. :hi:

Really, I'm looking for a simple on-campus desk or heavy lifting job. At this point, I'd take almost anything I'm offered. The only reason I'm not applying at the local grocery stores is that I want something that might give me some experience (however tangentially related) to my field of study (computer software development), otherwise I'd go back to making sandwiches or chopping wood if it'd put me through college. :shrug:
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huskerlaw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 06:53 PM
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59. Have you tried the library?
I work at an academic library and we're always looking for computer lab people. Also, don't forget any departmental libraries your campus may have (like a separate law library or engineering library...).

And good luck! :hug:
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ZombieNixon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 06:58 PM
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62. Thanks.
I'd have to find someone ot talk to. I have no class tomorrow, so I'm planning to take the day to do job hunting. Thanks for the suggestion. I'll drop by the library and see if I can at least get a contact for the job person there. (Hopefully they don't send me back to the damn Career Center :grr:)

Thanks for the :hug: :)
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philosophie_en_rose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 06:57 PM
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61. Without seeing your resume, it's hard to tell.
Edited on Wed Sep-20-06 07:26 PM by philosophie_en_rose
There's no telling what hiring people want. And, to be perfectly honest, many of them will be less intelligent or qualified than you. I knew a person that preferred lesser g.p.a.s and fewer skills. Not because the job didn't need those qualifications, but because she admitted that she was threatened by 'overachievers.' :eyes:

If you want to PM your resume to me (I'd never share it - but you can block out your personal info in case of freeping hackers ;)), I could give you my first impression. One overachiever to another.
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ZombieNixon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 07:01 PM
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63. I'll think about it.
Edited on Wed Sep-20-06 07:03 PM by ZombieNixon
(When I'm not drinking. :P)

But...I think the problem with my resume is a lack of paid experience. The majority of my skills are self-taught (I'm only taking my first programming course ever this fall, for example). I have more self-taught experience by now than most grad students have, but without seeing my work, no one understands that (because of course the school system is always best :eyes:), and no one brings a computer to a work study interview. *sigh* :( (but :) because of the beer :P)
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pitohui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 07:15 PM
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64. i think you need other skills
i may be way out of line but there are brazilians of people who can do c+++, java, and html, even `12 year olds do html these days

it just seems like it may be a case of too many people chasing too few opportunities, how many html writers does the world need?

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ZombieNixon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 07:37 PM
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67. So I should change my field of study because some random stranger
on the Internet compares me to a 12-year-old. Unhelpful. Ignored.
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cobalt1999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 07:34 PM
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65. well, you could try what I did with my financial aid crisis...
I started sleeping with my financial aid administrator. Luckily she was fairly cute, but if I hadn't, I would have had to dropped out for awhile.
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ZombieNixon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 07:36 PM
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66. Huh...I'd prefer not to do that...
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LadyoftheRabbits Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 08:32 PM
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68. Oh honey...
I'm so sorry... :hug: :hug: :hug: :(
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ZombieNixon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 08:35 PM
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69. ...
:hug: :hug: :hug:

Things'll work out...somehow...
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Courtesy Flush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 08:55 PM
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77. Yes they will
I graduated many years ago. I was no high achiever, and my transcript reflected that (no slacker, but I wasn't impressing anybody).

It was hard for a while, then I took the last-resort job, and things got better. I'm looking forward to early retirement now.

Things might be hard for a while, but you've got what they want. It may just be a matter of timing. Learn to love macaroni and cheese, and keep plugging.

When I was your age the newspapers all said there'd be no jobs for graduates in my generation. Well, we all found jobs, paid off mortgages, and raised families. Every genereation muddles through.

You'll be okay. Believe me. I understand the frustration.
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ZombieNixon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 08:59 PM
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79. If I've got what they want, why don't I get hired.
I am a high achiever, I know that, but they don't want your GPA on your application. :shrug:
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Courtesy Flush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 09:02 PM
Original message
Dude. Relax.
It doesn't always happen right out of school. It may take time.

You just have to trust me on this... you'll be okay. Really.
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sendero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 08:41 PM
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70. I just went through a similar thing..
... although my biggest sin was taking a couple years away from programming. As nuts as it seemed to me, lots of folks thought that even with 10+ years of C++, I'd forget it all in a couple years.

Finally, a job just almost fell into my lap. The only technical questions/test I got were a handful of one-line-answer questions from the recruiter in her "qualifying" call. I was sitting in the parking lot of the hospital where my wife was recovering from open heart surgery when I answered them :)

I had a couple of interviews before that. The first one went south quickly when the second guy I talked to joined me in a mutual dislike of each other :) The second one was a heartbreaker, I was there over 6 hours and I really thought I had the offer until I got the Dear John email.

Just hang in there. When it is time, it will happen. I know that is a frustrating answer, but it's one I really believe. Keep working, trying doors, and suddenly one will open.
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ZombieNixon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 08:49 PM
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73. Yeah...
but it's not like finding a girlfriend...I need to eat. I could survive without the promise of sex if I had to. If I didn't get laid in three months (as is the case), I'd be OK, if a little disappointed. I need money to survive since I don't have a meal plan.
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sendero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 08:51 PM
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74. I understand that..
... but one thing that WILL deep six your efforts is the smell of desperation.

I really wish you success, the main thing is to keep working so you are in the right place in the right time. :)
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Placebo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 08:43 PM
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71. Racism is alive and well @ DPU.
;)
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ZombieNixon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 08:47 PM
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72. Y'know, I'm trying really hard not to think that...
but what with the DCA "Bake Sale" bullshit last year, well...I don't know...:shrug:
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Placebo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 09:02 PM
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80. Ugh, I know.
And I'm noticing more and more LINCOLN PARK STATESMAN's lying around in classrooms and bathrooms, eww...
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ZombieNixon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 09:03 PM
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81. Aww, yeah, I saw them last week in the Student Center.
I almost want to read one to get my righteous horror fix. :puke:
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eyesroll Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 08:53 PM
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75. Have you considered food service or physical plant?
(Or whatever your school calls cleaning and maintenance.)

Those jobs are generally less desired, so there should be more openings.

Failing that...many, many people have put themselves through college as janitors. (If you're available evenings -- M-F, 5-9 or 6-10 ish, give or take this could work for you.) Or you could clean people's houses (or students' apartments and dorm rooms) on your own.
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ZombieNixon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 08:58 PM
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78. *sigh*
I've worked in both food service and public maintenance before. I'm really trying to get away from those so I can build a career more oriented toward my field.

However, if a job in either came along right now, I'd take it, at least until something better comes along. :( Problem is, the only maintenance crew jobs I can apply for also require a year of receptionist experience (:wtf:) which I don't have, so they won't accept my application. :(
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eyesroll Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 09:09 PM
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82. Work-study almost never has anything to do with your field.
At my undergraduate institution, most of the work-study jobs were food service, maintenance/cleaning, or clerical. Most of the work-study students were studying things unrelated to any of those jobs.

Best of luck to you.
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mduffy31 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 09:12 PM
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83. Get used to it now dude
I have two degrees, one is a professional degree as a nurse. Now I keep hearing about this shortage of nurses in the world, but that hasn't been the case. I work at a place that screws us, no bennies nothing, but it is run like the Wal-Mart philosophy. Shut up and be happy you have a job. I wish that there was some magic salve to give you to soothe your frustrations, but there is none. Just hang in there and drink a bunch.
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ZombieNixon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 09:16 PM
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84. I just did drink a bunch.
Now we're out of beer and I have nothing to mix the vodka with. :(
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StellaBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 09:19 PM
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85. the economy blows, especially for us young 'uns
No jobs, property prices out of control, massive student debt. I am 27 and feel fortunate to be working tow 20-hour-a-week, no-benefits state jobs and bringing in $24K. I have been working and paying taxes since I was 15. I have a masters degree.

Rethink your priorities in light of the current world situation. I find that now that I don't expect a "career" or to buy a house by age 30, or necessarily to ever afford kids, and I just spend all my free time reading, involved in politics, drinking, and seeing art and bands, I am much happier. ;)

Seriously. I TOTALLY understand how frustrated you are. If that makes you feel any better. It's not you. It's Bushco.
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ZombieNixon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 09:21 PM
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87. How much reach does the BushCo shitconomy have into student employment
at a private university? :shrug:
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Ellen Forradalom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 09:19 PM
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86. No more than I am unloveable n/t
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ZombieNixon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 09:21 PM
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88. No quite sure what to make of that...
:shrug:
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Ellen Forradalom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 11:40 PM
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96. I am quite loveable
Therefore you are quite employable.
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ZombieNixon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 11:43 PM
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97. Good to know.
:D
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rug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 09:28 PM
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89. Of course you are; you can't draw hands.
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ZombieNixon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 09:31 PM
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90. I'd understand that if I were applying to be an art tutor.
But I'm not. :P
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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 09:31 PM
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91. don't worry
just keep sponging off of others..






oh wait, i thought you were a different zombie. my bad.
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ZombieNixon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 09:37 PM
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93. *snerk*
*giggle* :hide:
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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 09:48 PM
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95. oops, my mistake
:rofl:

:hi:
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Dukkha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 09:33 PM
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92. it hear you. it's really fucked up out there
I really hate where I'm at so I've been posting out since July everywhere but very few respond. I know some dopes where I work got promoted because they studies books on job interviewing and learn to give the right answers employers rate you on (and they do!) I'm fighting immense urges not to walk off the job but now i'm like the hell with my mortgage! I'll file bankruptcy. the hell with burning bridges! it's just work.

and what's the deal with the second interview? Just Fucking hire someone! it's not some reality show elimination tournament you're messing with peoples lives putting them on hold and giving false hope! I miss the good old days when you got hired at the interview. and everyone's asking for unrealistic experience times. I can't get the experience if you don't hire me!!
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ZombieNixon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 09:37 PM
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94. *sigh* I just want a job.
Any job right now. :(
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Floogeldy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 11:47 PM
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98. What kind of impression do you make on potential employers?
Are you ugly or do you ramble incessantly at job interviews? Do you bathe? Do you have a perpetual smile on your face combined with wild eyes and fast breathing?

;)
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ZombieNixon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 11:49 PM
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99. ...
No and no. Every day, sometimes twice. No, no, and no.
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Floogeldy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 11:52 PM
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100. Stupid fucking employers!!!
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