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Tyo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-28-06 09:51 PM
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Ever seen a ghost?
Or had some kind of experience or encounter that you can't explain? :scared: (and I'm not talking about the ones that happen late at night after too many mojitos) :beer:
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Fox Mulder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-28-06 09:52 PM
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1. I haven't yet...
but I want to.
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Floogeldy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-28-06 09:53 PM
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2. You have no idea.
And you probably would not believe me if I told you.
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Whoa_Nelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-28-06 10:07 PM
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8. I would
I see dead people...and sometimes I just wish they would find someone else!
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Tyo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-28-06 10:10 PM
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11. Well now you've gotta spill it.
You can't say something like that and then just wander off.
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Floogeldy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-28-06 10:23 PM
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13. If you do not mind my speaking in general terms, Tyo . . .
Edited on Thu Sep-28-06 10:25 PM by Floogeldy
Full. Physical. Apparition. In broad daylight. On Sunset Boulevard.

Believe me when I tell you that the soul survives.

That is all.

Edit: Misspelled apparition.
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Tyo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-28-06 10:29 PM
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17. General terms are fine
That must have been... I don't know what to say
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Floogeldy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-28-06 10:33 PM
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19. Thanks
Suffice to say, someone made it very clear to me that the human soul survives death. I didn't know what to say, myself, for a couple of decades.

:)
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Prisoner_Number_Six Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-29-06 12:25 AM
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33. So, how IS Elvis?
:rofl:
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amitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-28-06 11:55 PM
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28. Um, Floog....um,
that was a Marilyn Monroe IMPERSONATOR.




















:D
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Floogeldy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-29-06 12:15 AM
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31. Clever reply, amitten!
However, no.
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amitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-29-06 12:34 AM
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34. Okay, who was it???
Go into great detail and spare us nothing.

We're all ears!!! (I love ghost stories. :scared: )
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Floogeldy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-29-06 12:45 AM
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36. I appreciate you asking.
:)

But it wasn't scary like that, amitten. More like I was controlled, and shown. Unsettling as heck, for sure.

Very difficult to share publicly on a message board. :blush:
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amitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-29-06 12:47 AM
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37. DAMN!
:argh:


















:smoke:
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momophile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-28-06 09:57 PM
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3. I had a freaky ouija board experience
:scared:
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Tyo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-28-06 10:06 PM
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6. Jeeze, who hasn't? Those things are wicked
I don't know where it comes from. I hope it's from the same place dreams come from rather than being from like some external entity.
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momophile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-28-06 10:09 PM
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10. does everyone have bad ouija experiences?
creepy creepy:scared:
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Tyo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-28-06 10:27 PM
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14. I've never heard of a good one
I guess sometimes they've started out kind of postive, but they end up going in bad directions
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momophile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-28-06 10:29 PM
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16. I believe that.
that's the only reason I was on the damn thing to begin with. a spirit/ghost/whatever wouldn't leave my sister alone whenever she was on the board. so I got on to tell him to leave her alone. I never did talk with him though.
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Evoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-29-06 02:09 AM
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43. I'm evil...here are some of the bad things I've done with Ouiji boards
Edited on Fri Sep-29-06 02:09 AM by Evoman
This is a cut n copy from a R/T forum discussion:


1)When I was about ten, my sister had a friend over (Lisa) and they needed 4 people (they said) to use it. I didn't want to, but my sister made me and my brother do it. This is how it went (from what I remember)

Sister: Spirit, who likes Lisa in our class?

Board: Only Teacher

Sister: Our teacher likes her?

Board: Yes

Sister: Who likes me?

Board: Lisa....Lesbian.

Sister: EVOMAN!!!

2)My cousins Ouiji board (I was fifteen):

Cousin:Will any of us die in the next five years?

Board: YES

Cousin: Who will die?

Board: Evoman.

Cousin: OMG...how will he die?

Board: Too much sex Too Sexy

Cousin: Evoman!

3) This one is really evil....this was about 7 years ago, when I was 19 or so. It was after a party. A friend of mine took out the board and there was about 6 of us left. I, of course, insisted on being one of the ouiji board people.

Friend: Is someone there?

Board: Yes

Friend: Who is it.

Board: Spirit Good.

Friend: The spirit of who.

Board: Mom

Friend: Who's mom are you?

Board: You.

Friend: Me, cheryl? But my mom is still alive *starts freaking out*. Are you my mom?

Board: Yes

Friend: *freaking out* What is your name? (unfortunately, I didn't know her moms name)

Board: Chewbacca

Friend: EVOMAN!


Lol..I was always a skeptic and thought those fucking things were a waste of time. But I absolutely loved playing with them, anyways. Hehe.
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cobalt1999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-29-06 11:47 AM
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46. LOL!
I've pulled a lot of same stunts myself.

The key words that really got people going (death, love, evil, their name, money)

I'd make cryptic sentences.
Board: dead...laura...water
Laura: Oh my god! Am I going to drown?
Board: boat
Laura: what boat when? Is it a boating accident?
Board: cold
.
.
.

Always just enough to keep it going, but not enough information to get caught.


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HarukaTheTrophyWife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-28-06 10:02 PM
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4. My friend & I saw a mysterious animal.
It was like a wallaby/jackrabbit/deer/coyote thing. It ran in front of our car and bounded up the 20-25' cliff next to us. She slammed on the brakes and we spent about 5 minutes just sitting in the road (this was late at night, middle of nowhere) going "What the FUCK was that?" Honestly, had I been alone, I probably would have climbed the wall to try to follow it, but we're both glad we weren't alone in the car. This way we each have one other person on the planet that doesn't think we're crazy for it.

It kind of matches some of the descriptions of the Jersey Devil, but we're in north Jersey and the devil is down in the Pinelands.
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momophile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-28-06 10:06 PM
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7. sounds like that devil might be on the move
watch out:scared:
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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-29-06 12:02 PM
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50. OSCAR!!!!!
He got loose
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datasuspect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-30-06 10:42 PM
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67. i was driving to del rio texas
us 90 westbound from san antonio.

i was with my girlfriend at the time, it was about 1:30 am and there is a really long two lane stretch that has lots of deer that feed right near the road.

i was paying very strict attention to the road (in case a deer jumped into the road) and the sides of the road, when i swear to god i saw a child near some scrub bushes. my heart dropped in my throat and every hair felt like it was standing on end. i slammed the brakes and the ass of the car started to swerve a little as i skidded onto the shoulder. ex gf was asleep and the sudden motion jarred her awake, shocked, "what the fuck" type of scared.

i told her to stay in the car, slide in the drivers seat when i got out and keep it running.

we were in a rental and i had no suitable weapon except the knife i always carry, and i looked in the rearview and saw the fluttering of bipedal motion about 50 feet behind us.

thinking that somehow a child might be out there infuriated me, scared me at the same time, i went out into it with a small penlight.

it was pitchblack and i couldn't see shit, but i went pretty far back into the scrub yelling out for what i thought was a kid.

it bothered me to leave there, but i couldn't find evidence of a car crash, or people, or anything.

girlfriend was on the phone with DPS and i got on the phone with them and gave them the mile marker.

pretty fucking weird.
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texanwitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-28-06 10:05 PM
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5. I lived in a house with several ghosts, only saw one.
The other ghosts were rather loud, with the sounds they liked to party and break things.

Nothing was never broken, just the sounds of things breaking.

We got cheap rent, other then the noise two or three times a month it wasn't bad.

The only ghost we saw was an old lady that would just walk though the room, and like to hang out upstairs in the upstairs bathroom.
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Whoa_Nelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-28-06 10:07 PM
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9. Got one in my house right now
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Haole Girl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-28-06 10:11 PM
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12. I once lived in a 100 year old Victorian house...alone...for six
weeks (something I will never do again). And, I heard a lot of strange creaking noises, especially at night. I always told myself it was just the wood expanding and contracting. Thankfully, for me, I never actually saw a ghost, though.
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Tyo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-28-06 10:44 PM
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22. There is something built in scary about Victorians
I don't know if it's all those B horror movies or what, but you never see ghosts hanging out in some 1960s California glass and
wood contemporary
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flvegan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-28-06 10:28 PM
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15. Did tonight. He just doesn't know it yet.
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Blue-Jay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-28-06 10:29 PM
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18. Yeah. He was helping an alien give Bigfoot an anal probe.
freaky.
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Tyo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-28-06 10:40 PM
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20. Uh, dude, that was me
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Blue-Jay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-28-06 10:42 PM
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21. You could use a trim.
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Tyo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-28-06 10:46 PM
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23. Got it under control, thanks
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Dangerously Amused Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-28-06 11:10 PM
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24. A friend and I saw an apparition on one occasion.



I also lived in a haunted building where several strange things with no other explanation happened.


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Tyo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-28-06 11:18 PM
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25. What did you see?
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Dangerously Amused Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-28-06 11:33 PM
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26. We were sitting on my bed in my bedroom one night



...watching something on tv. The tv was the only light in the room. My bedroom was "L" shaped and we were toward one end of the L. Suddenly we both looked up and saw at the other end of the L (which was not illuminated by tv light), what I can only describe as faint light in the general shape of a human figure. No features or anything, just the general shape. We both saw it. It started moving slowly in our direction and we panicked and hid under the covers because we were cornered - we would have had to go through it to get out the door. While we hid we could feel a "presence" near us. After a short while the presence seemed to fade away, and we peeked out and the figure was no longer there.


That was 25+ years ago but we both remember it as if it were yesterday.


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Tyo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-28-06 11:48 PM
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27. That's pretty amazing
Did you get any vibes from it, good, bad?
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Dangerously Amused Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-29-06 12:05 AM
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29. I think we were too panicked just from seeing it - too much



internal chatter - to pick up on any vibes. The presence was just sort of there... neutral, if anything. But I had the feeling that it was there because of me and not my friend.


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Vidar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-29-06 12:08 AM
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30. Seen, no; experienced, yes.
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-29-06 12:24 AM
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32. yes.
twice in different places, 35 years apart.
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amitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-29-06 12:35 AM
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35. Details?
We must have details.
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UncleSepp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-29-06 01:19 AM
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38. Maybe. I saw a girl standing at the foot of my bed.
She looked like she was about 12 years old, with dark hair, wearing a white nightie. Her lips were dark, especially in the corners, more like from bruising or blood than from lipstick. She seemed to be holding her head to one side looking at me quizzically. I thought I recognized her as a girl who had often appeared in my dreams as my daughter. I have no children.

Several times, I looked at her, shut my eyes, looked again, and she was still there. I thought I probably should ask her what she wanted, but I was afraid she might answer, so I just put my head under my pillow and tried to go back to sleep. In the morning, I checked to be sure that the door was locked (it had been) and that there was nothing lying around in the room that could have looked like a white nightie containing a girl. There wasn't. Nobody in the house was wearing a white nightie that night.

The most likely explanation was that I was in a funny dream state in which elements of the dream are superimposed on waking perceptions. Usually, in that state, sleep paralysis is still in effect. The dream state can be a very odd thing. I accept that this might not be the only explanation, though.

I drew her picture that night. I saw her on other nights after that, in different rooms, even in a different building. This is not that picture - it is a picture of the girl from my dreams, who seems to be the girl I saw at the foot of the bed that night at a younger age.


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amitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-29-06 01:22 AM
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39. Good God that is creepy.
I would NOT have stayed in that bed!!!
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UncleSepp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-29-06 01:46 AM
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40. It gets creepier still.
The girl in the drawings looks like a real girl, who lived in the 1930s and 40s. It's not a pleasant thing to contemplate.
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Evoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-29-06 02:00 AM
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42. I would have probably tried to drop kick her.
There is no way some creepy ghost girls gonna creep around my bed. Unless shes sexy, naked and legal. Then all bets are off.
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Evoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-29-06 01:58 AM
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41. No, absolutely not.
Have never seen a ghost, have never felt a ghost, have never heard a ghost, NOTHING. I have NEVER experienced anything that I have felt to be in the least bit supernatural.

To be honest, I think that people who want to believe in magic, see magic. People who want to believe in ghosts, see ghosts. Of course, I can't completely discount ghosts just because I haven't experienced them myself. But doesn't it seem unusual to you that in the last 200 years, no one has scientifically shown ghosts to exist? We can find proof that mesons and gluons exist, but not ghosts.

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spinbaby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-29-06 08:47 AM
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44. You mean all that noise at night?
We blame it on the cats.

Seriously, we've had one creepy experience in our house. When DH got up late one morning last fall, I had something--news, I think--on TV. He wondered if the WVU game was on yet and flicked through a couple of channels, but got distracted and left the TV on another channel because breakfast was ready. A couple of minute later, while we were having breakfast in the next room, the satellite went out and we could see the "searching for signal" message on the screen. This usually happens during heavy rain but the day was perfectly clear. After another minute, the signal came back and it had changed to the channel with the WVU game. It's as if something heard him wonder if the game was on and changed the channel for him. If we have a ghost, it's a very helpful ghost.

Oh, and we sometimes get this sort of "old person" smell on the upper staircase.
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mvd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-29-06 11:11 AM
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45. Nope - not yet
Edited on Fri Sep-29-06 11:12 AM by mvd
Wouldn't necessarily want to see/experience one, even though I'm interested in things like this. I believe the soul survives beyond death, so maybe people do get lost on their way to Heaven, or just plain won't go. If there's reincarnation, people could still refuse, I guess.
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Fenris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-29-06 01:15 PM
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55. Oops - wrong place.
Edited on Fri Sep-29-06 01:18 PM by Fenris
:D
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-29-06 11:51 AM
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47. Sure.
Once while lying in my bedroom in a house that was purportedly haunted, I heard the dresser drawers (which came with the house) open and close themselves.

Once, while working alone late one night I heard somebody sigh in my ear.

Once, while visiting my childhood home, in the small hours of a stormy winter morning I heard my deceased brother whisper my name in my ear.

I don't actually believe in ghosts, but I understand why other people do.
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cobalt1999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-29-06 11:58 AM
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48. Never.
It's HIGHLY improbable that they exist. If so, are they limited to humans? Are there ghost ants, monkeys, aphids, bacteria, viruses? Seems like the ghost world would be a bit crowded.

I'm not doubting some of you actually believe you had these experiences, but between believing in
1) something high improbable (no scientific evidence), or
2) it's all in your brain feed with preconceived beliefs (lots of evidence this happens)

I'll go with #2.
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mvd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-29-06 12:18 PM
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52. There are non-human ghosts
I choose to believe there is too much going on for it to be all in people's heads.
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cobalt1999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-29-06 01:06 PM
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53. but it is a much more probable...
that it is all in people's heads. There is no evidence for any other hypothesis.

However, I know people believe what they want to believe. If you want to believe in ghosts, then you will and will probably "experience" one.
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mvd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-29-06 01:20 PM
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57. I don't agree
Edited on Fri Sep-29-06 01:23 PM by mvd
There ARE things unexplained out there. And I've known people who do believe and have never seen one.

I'm not going to try to convince you about something we don't know about. But EVPs seem pretty real to me.
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smirkymonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-29-06 03:13 PM
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59. Kind of like "god" you mean?
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SteppingRazor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-29-06 12:00 PM
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49. Course not.
I am extremely, extremely doubtful as to the existence of the supernatural, and have certainly never experienced anything like it in my own life.
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bif Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-29-06 12:12 PM
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51. Oh, I thought you said goat!
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smirkymonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-29-06 03:15 PM
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60. I saw one of these once...
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wildhorses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-29-06 01:09 PM
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54. pretty much on a daily basis
:shrug:
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Fenris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-29-06 01:19 PM
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56. No, and I live in a century-old house, too.
I have yet to experience in my life anything that could be considered remotely supernatural.
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youthere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-29-06 02:14 PM
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58. Yes
We've owned this house for nine years, it's an old (100+) farmhouse we've renovated. We hear a lot of creaks and groans and have ever since we've moved in, so we just chalked it up to old house settling. But just this year some weird things started happening. I know there is the upstairs shower started turning on by itself. It only happens when someone is actually in the bathroom. You can be standing at the sink brushing your teeth and all of a sudden whoosh! It's on full blast. Now it used to keep doing it, as soon as you turned it off and took a step away it would come on again. Now we turn it off and say "How are you today?" and it stays off.
The television in our front room will turn off by itself. At first we thought it was the TV, and we bought a new one. We put the old tv in the office and it works fine, stays on just like it's supposed to, but the new television started doing the same thing. We had the outlet rewired and it still does it. Usually it will only happen once, but some nights it's really aggravating. We'll be trying to watch a program and it clicks off. We turn it back on and it will go off again, and we'll keep doing that for maybe 10-15 minutes before one of us will nicely "Please stop, we really want to see this." and then it will stop, but if we don't say "Thank you" it starts again.
The door in my office moves back and forth all the time, really slow, back and forth. When I start work in the morning (I work mostly from home) and it starts I just say "Good morning!" and it will stop for awhile.
Like I said, this all just started earlier this year. Up until then I haven't ever experienced anything like it. None of us have ever felt afraid or alarmed, this presence just has a familiar feel. maybe it's my stepdad-I hope so-but I don't know how this stuff "works".
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amitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-30-06 08:10 PM
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61. KICK! Tell me more ghost stories. n/t
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Lady Freedom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-30-06 08:16 PM
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62. If you want ghost stories, go here..,if you dare!
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texas1928 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-30-06 09:34 PM
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63. Here ia a ghost story for you.
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Maestro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-30-06 09:47 PM
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64. I generally do not believe in ghosts and spirits and such, BUT
Edited on Sat Sep-30-06 09:48 PM by Maestro
back in '91 about year after my wife's grandfather had died we were visiting her father who was living in the house previously occupied by her grandfather. Her family very much believes in the supernatural and they would tell me stories of how they have felt the presences of different relatives. I blew it off as family folk tales. Well, the first night we spent in her grandfather's house we were alone. Her father had gone to spend the night with his girlfriend. I awoke around two in the morning when I heard the screen door open. I then heard shuffling in the vestibule. I awakened my wife. About that time we heard distinct heel to toe footsteps walking down the hallway into the living room. The dog, who was kenneled, immediately began to bark. I jumped up, flicked on the lights, terrified. The dog quieted down though almost immediately. My wife said it had to be her grandfather visiting. We both went into the living room with our hearts pumping about 300 beats a minute. The dog was kenneled but staring at an old rocker. My wife said that her grandfather always sat there and watched TV. No one was there. The doors were all still locked. To this day, I can't explain what happened because I know what I heard. It was all very strange. The next day when we saw my wife's father and told him what happened, he commented rather non-chalantly, "Oh that is just Popo." Apparently, he was used to the visits.

I've never experienced anything supernatural since.
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datasuspect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-30-06 10:06 PM
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65. when i was in a terribly drug induced psychotic state
i heard voices talking to me through the computer. they sounded like nelson muntz (HA HA!) and were saying shit like "i see you!"
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shanti Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-30-06 10:30 PM
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66. nope
but i know someone who has seen one. she lives in a 90 year old house.
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