PETA hits a new low...

[imax2268]

There was some people here in Phoenix that were leaving the nut-cracker and some PETA people were handing these out to children...

In my mind a whole new low...sorry...just my opinion...

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[primarycolored]

1. Who do they vote for usually?

[mopinko]

2. good question

larouche?

[Piperay]

18. They're a mixed

bag, some of them are RW repugs and some are lefty Democrats and there are even some anarchists. PETA members go from one end of the political spectrum to the other. :shrug:

[WannaJumpMyScooter]

3. Yeah, up to their usual class acts, I see. I do like the cartoon

cover.... I should find a use for that, at least.

[wingnut]

4. Damn, I'm sorry I missed that

I had tickets for last sunday, but lost the damned things.

I was actually hoping to see these peta nuts in action.

If they'd just stick with the nekked girls in animal makeup, they'd recruit a lot more members.

[Nevernose]

5. Anyone handing that to my kid

Would be spitting teeth shortly thereafter. Then we'd go out for burgers.

[SuffragetteSal]

6. should be more like your daddy

kills animals when he buys your mommy that fur coat...

[blondeatlast]

30. Huh?

[classics]

7. This not a new low for PETA.

They have done even more disgusting stuff than this.

[imax2268]

8. Yea...I know...

but handing this to kids...come on...

[Maine Mary]

9. PETA is NOT part of the D party

Sorry Rush and the rest of you conservataive jerks,

[Piperay]

19. You are correct

more of them actually are RW repugs, some are Democrats but most are RWingers.

[The Undertaker]

10. PETA...

has always been a whack-job. :eyes: They gotta understand that many people don't believe in their whacked-out beliefs.

[hellhathnofury]

11. Low, but not the lowest they've gone too.

Remember the Holocaust slaughterhouse comparisons

[Valerie5555]

12. Was sure there was a case in Canada where they did a milk protest

involving schoolkids and the kids reacted by doing things like calmly drinking milk in front of the PETA types and thinking the "LOOGIE LOUIE" cards they handed out were "cool," as far as I could remember.


On edit, My apologies to any PETA members or supporters here, but I found the whole "milk protest response" thing rather funny. :D :7

[curse10]

13. As your local PETA member

Your post is rather offensive. That's just me.

[jonnyblitz]

14. I am with you. n/t

[blondeatlast]

25. It's an opinion, dammit! This is Democratic Underground, dammit!

Opinions are what this site is all about.

Sheesh; have I wandered into the iVillage crafts forum by mistake?

[jonnyblitz]

41. relax.

Calling a particular group that fellow DUers are members of a bunch of wackos is kind of offensive yeah. If I wanna hear a bunch of people parakeeting Rush Limbaugh I will listen to his radio show.

[blondeatlast]

24. An opinion offends you?

If an opinion offends you, PETA is probably NOT the place to be.

Edit: removed over the top rant. Apologies to all.

[jonnyblitz]

42. i guess what bothers me is

There is so much to focus on with the people on the right of us I don't understand why all the venom expened on people who are on our left who engage in creative protesting. I just get wierded out when people sound like right wingers. anyways..happy holidays. :hi:

[bicentennial_baby]

35. Seconded

I'm with you!

[LeftPeopleFinishFirst]

39. I agree with PETA on the CAUSE

however, I'm not sure that this is the best way to go about promoting this particular cause. I think that children would be pretty freaked out by those cartoons.

[scottcsmith]

45. Why shove your views down people's throats?

Why give children PETA propaganda, anyway? Do you think it's appropriate to use children to push your agenda? I think it's disgraceful. That's just me.

[Skip Intro]

15. Bad move, but a noble goal

Seems just about the only time I see or hear discussions on animal rights is when PETA has done something controversial to instigate those conversations.

I'm usually all for the so-called "exrtreme" actions of PETA for that very reason - raising the public's consciousness of the brutal treatment and insane slaughter of millions of thinking, feeling, and defenseless creatures justifies most of PETA's attention-grabbing efforts, imho.

Having said that, tho, I have to side with the posters here who feel that targeting kids in this way is over the line. I wish PETA all the luck in the world in acheiving the goal of humane treatment of all animals. (If they were throwing ink on the fur-wearing ****s, that would be another story.) But confronting children with such shocking images (however close to reality) is going too far.



A bad idea from a group with very noble goals.

but that's just me...

From PETA's website:

PETA believes that animals deserve the most basic rights—consideration of their own best interests regardless of whether they are useful to humans. Like you, they are capable of suffering and have interests in leading their own lives; therefore, they are not ours to use—for food, clothing, entertainment, or experimentation, or for any other reason.

[Valerie5555]

16. Wonder if it was too cold for them to do a nudie protest

, tho' that may be a bit risque.

[blondeatlast]

26. Actually, Sunday was a lovely, sunny 76 degrees!

Sorry, just had to gloat . . .

[blondeatlast]

33. Too late for edit--I live in Phoenix.

Our local PETA camp is not made up of supermodel types, fwiw.

I don't think laughter is PETAs desired response from the press.

[Booberdawg]

17. They were giving this to children?

Yikes!

[WindRavenX]

20. Their cause is noble, the group is not

And I still disagree with PETA on a lot of things, particularly medical research on animals. I think that as long as the research is valid, it should be allowed. Cosmetics, no. That has no purpose.
I know I'm in the minority..but IMHO, PETA does more harm to the cause of (rightfully) calling for greater awareness in animal treatment than it does helping it. They anger people, which turns them off to their message.
I'm sorry, but IMHO, they are no better than Operation Rescue or any bullshit radical anti-abortion group...terrorists at worst, no matter how noble their cause may be.

[blondeatlast]

27. Well said. Most people would be sympathetic to their cause

but PETAs outrageous, artsy-fartsy, and often cruel (the Rudy Giuliani thing hit me personally) tactics obliterate their message.

Who WOULDN'T be in favor of:
1. Compassionate raising of stock animals?

2. An end to the absolutely unnecessary use of animals in cosmetics research?

3. The elimination of supplementing animal diets with hormones and chemicals in order to fatten them?

What an incredibly seasy sell, right? Anybody out there disagree with these principles? So, let's look at PETAs homepage, eh?

http://www.peta.org/

PETA is nothing but a sham ego boost to Ingrid Newkirk and her artsy-fartsy (as opposed to legitimate artists) friends.

Remember the "supermodels"? They are all wearing fur now . . .

[Garage Queen]

36. Wordy McWord to that.

They have a legitimate cause, but destroy their own legitimacy with their outrageous stunts.

It's just too damned bad.

[arwalden]

21. PETA Is The Howard Stern Of Animal Advocacy. Shock Value Only..

They harm the cause more than help.

[LynneSin]

22. That's just bad

But I've been peeved at PETA since they've compared killing animals for meat to WW2 Holocaust.

[SmileyBoy]

23. PETA bites. What else can I say???

They are to the left-wing what anti-abortion terrorists are to the right-wing.

[Loonman]

28. PETA is an idiot clearinghouse

From their "chairman" on down.

[blondeatlast]

29. Sadly close to absolute truth. Newkirk=major, egotistical, nutcase

[Loonman]

31. Not being cruel to animals should be self-evident

Someone needs to tell them that. That and get a real job.

[OldSoldier]

32. PETA is the kind of thing the RW would do to us

As has been expressed in other posts to this thread, the majority of PETA's members are RW. If you looked into the other "famous" animal group, the Animal Liberation Front, you'd probably find the same thing.

Consider this: the whole Animal Rights thing is the invention of the far right to make us progressives look bad.

"Liberals don't want you to wear clothing made from animal products. They want you to throw away your leather shoes. They want you to get rid of your fur."
"Liberals don't want you to eat meat."
"Liberals don't want you to have a dog."
"Liberals don't want AIDS cured if it means harming a rat."

By framing the most insane of the Animal Rights activists as liberals, they make us all look very, very bad.

Look at the liberals you know: many of them eat meat, wear leather shoes, own dogs, are owned by cats and some are even exterminators. But to the RW, we're all throwing red paint on $6000 coats, burning down research labs and having Tofurky for Christmas dinner.

[alphafemale]

34. I does seem the majority of them might be COINTELPRO

At least by their actions in the past few years it would seem that way.

I think they started with good intentions. I remember Mike Ferrel (sp?) being a spokesperson.

Perhaps it is just extremely poor judgment and leadership, but they are becoming a parody of their former selves and doing real harm to the cause of stopping needless cruelty.

[amber dog democrat]

37. Still, they have a vallid arguement

Most of us do not see the reality behind the things we consume.
Not sure I would hand this to a child however.

[LeftPeopleFinishFirst]

38. I agree

And I am particularly appalled at the amounts of animals used to produce one of these fur coats... and I don't think it's good that people don't seem to care about what they are consuming.

But the PETA did go a bit overboard on this one.

[zizzer]

40. Proof? Link? Press release? News coverage? Snopes?

Yeah, OK, the comic is sick. The thought of handing this to kids is even sicker BUT ... Where's the proof? Any links?

[Bertha Venation]

43. I'd like to see proof, too, zizzer. n/t

[ronnykmarshall]

44. There was a previous post about this.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=935746

This one took place in Boston.

[MadHound]

46. Well, while all of you PETA naysayers post your negatives here

PETA is out there doing things to help save your butts from corporate farming excesses. A couple of cases to point out. The first is their McDonalds protests, which finally prompted Mickey Ds to give up factory farmed cows for their hamburgers. Now all of their meat is free range, much healthier and tastier for you. The same goes for KFC's chickens. They went after KFC for using crated chickens in their products, and protested long enough and loud enough that now KFC is using free range chickens instead. And who was it raising the alarm about Mad Cow long ago? That's right PETA, protesting the conditions of slaughterhouses, the practice of feeding animals animal by products, and screaming that the USDA wasn't doing it's job. So while you may carp and gripe about what PETA does, and how "over the top" they might be, remember, the results they produce not only benefit animals, they benefit YOU.

Another item for you to mull over. I've noticed that some of you here are outraged about PETA's protesting the use of animals in the medical field, thinking that animal use in such "life saving work" is legitimite. Well, if you go do your research, you will find that that conclusion is still up in the air. Consider the following: A sheep, a commonly used animal in drug and disease testing, is able to eat belladonna by the bale load, whereas if just a couple of grams were to pass a human's lips, they would die. Same with dogs, who can only eat a small amount of chocolate before they are seriously ill, and could die. Speaking of dogs, they are commonly used by medical students to practice their open chest surgery skills on. Why? A dog's thoracic cavity is shaped nothing like a human's, nor is their internal organ arrangement anywhere near the configuration of a human's. So why is this commonly done practice still allowed to persist? It only results in pain and agony for the dog, and a bunch of maltrained doctors for us. There are many many differences physically, chemically and biologically between humans and animals. There are a number of books out there detailing these, and explaining how these unneccessary practices in the medical field are harming humans not helping them.

And for all of you who think that PETA is a worthless organization that isn't adding anything constructive to the national dialog, think about this. Back during the Great Depression, FDR wasn't motivated by just compassion for his fellow man when he pushed for things like Social Security, unemployment insurance, Medicare, etc. He was mainly pushed by the far left wing of this country, your Socialists, Communists, and Wobblies. He needed their vote to retain his office in '36, so therefore he went out and pushed for these pet projects of theirs. So thanks to the far left, we retain these mainstay American institutions to this day. You may grouse and carp about the far left, but they are a critical element in our body politic, without them there would be little incentive to implement even the most centerist of the Democrats plans.

[SmileyBoy]

47. Thank you for sharing that. I'm gonna go have a Big Mac now.

I hope my lifestyle doesn't offend you.

[imax2268]

49. My problem was not with

their cause...it's the fact that they were targeting children with this is what I had a problem with...

I don't buy clothing that has been made of animal skin...nor do I buy furs...I am very sympathetic to animals rights...I even quit hunting because the thought of killing another animal didn't sit well with me...

but to target kids with this type of propaganda is just...in my opinion...uncalled for...there are more ways to get the message across then going after children...

Just my honest opinion...

[Forkboy]

50. I dont think we should allow kids in church

it's all just propaganda in my opinion,fed to them at the most succeptible time of their lives.

There are more ways to get the message across.

[Forkboy]

48. The plan obviously worked

people can't stop talking about PETA.

I think the people who get offended are usually the type who need to be offended.