Can someone explain GD's obsession with ascribing GLBT traits to conservatives?

[jpgray]

It always seems like a suspiciously dressed-up "the GOP is so gay! LOL!!11!" to me--just another snide way of implying some form of sexuality = bad. GWB, Ann Coulter, or whoever is an asshole, therefore he or she must be GLBT.

:eyes:

At least the mods tend to lock the really puerile threads. Thanks mods!

[La Lioness Priyanka]

1. didnt you know bush was bisexual?

Gay= Bad= Insult.

So ofcourse straight people who are sociopaths and are causing the world to fall apart are clearly gay.

(its perfectly logical) :eyes:

and if you call people out on this weird logic they will say you are being oversensitive.

[jpgray]

2. To be fair that one had a source!

No less prestigious than someone's random tripod.com site :patriot:

[cwydro]

3. I've noticed that too..

ws there a recent one that was particularly bad? I would like to check that out if you have a link.

[Orsino]

4. One of the last prejudices which is relatively safe.

"Retard" and "retarded" are also bandied about as near-synonyms for "bad."

[sniffa]

5. i can expLain it

most middLe schooLs now have computers and high speed connections.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

6. sniffa you are so gay!

:sarcasm:

that is such a gay thing to say

[bicentennial_baby]

18. lighten up...

and keep your knees loose... :eyes:

:P

[sniffa]

19. oh they're very Loose

but onLy for you baby. :loveya:

[bicentennial_baby]

20. heehee

just how i like you :loveya:

:*

[cboy4]

22. I've alerted on you -- you're no better than the homophobes

who are causing all of the problems.
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.:rofl: ;)

[cboy4]

24. That is fricken hilarious! LOL!!!!!!

(but true) ;)

[sniffa]

27. thank you, thank you

i'LL be here aLL week. and pLease remember to strip your waitress!

[cboy4]

28. Oh, now I see you're trying to trick me into Sniffa-like

behavior by encouraging me to strip a waitress naked!

Sounds like something I could get banned from DU for doing.

But then again, you'd like that wouldn't you?

Yup.....you could go ahead and replace me as flower boy at your wedding with (you know who or you know who.)

Too bad there's not a flower boy alert button.

I'll have to get hold of Skinner about that.....I have his mobile phone number.....I do!

[bicentennial_baby]

34. He'll have to run it by me first!

And there's no one I'd like more as my flower boi than you, hotness :loveya:

And if I have to fight him over it, I'll vidoetape it for ya...and I'll win :D

:)

[cboy4]

37. Awww!...what would I do without you taking care of me?

He's just mad because I root for you in Battleship! hehe :loveya: :loveya:

And the videotape idea sounds hottttt :blush:

[bicentennial_baby]

38. can't say that i blame him...

add to that the fact that he has to yell out "You sunk my battleship!" every time that i do :D

and yes, it does....grrrrr :evilgrin:

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[crispini]

7. I honestly think it's meant to work the other way.

Gay but not admitting it (even to themselves) = selfhating = repressed = asshole.

At least that's the way I usually read these posts, but what do I know. :shrug:

[La Lioness Priyanka]

9. but there is no proof that any of these people have sex with same sex partners

[jpgray]

10. Right--that along with the sneering tone doesn't help the "hunt for hypocrisy" argument

[La Lioness Priyanka]

11. and given that these traitors in government have done much worse things than being hypocrites

i think this is just blatant homophobia or ignorance about language and why we pick insults the way we do..

or compliments (the balls thread)

[crispini]

12. Exactly.

I should have put that the other way.

asshole = repressed = selfhating = must be involved in something they are secretly ashamed of because they don't have the courage to be true to themselves = gay.

Hum, now that I put it that way I see what you mean. Why gay? Why not anything ELSE? Aha.

[jpgray]

13. A 19th century version might be "OMG! Jeff Davis must have slave blood in him!"

Barring any evidence to that effect, a freedman might wonder "Eh, might he just be an asshole? Why all the sneering speculation?"

(Now how ridiculous was -that- analogy? :D Hopefully it helped describe what I'm trying to make sense of, however.)

[swimboy]

21. Thanks for the useful comparison.

I have also tried to use a different analogy, probably too subtle for the mind of the original offenders but I ask them to consider the ridiculousness of substituting a different non-political attribute such as, "and not only that, but they're probably adopted!" in the hope that such people would get a clue or at least have to scratch their heads in bewilderment on my account.

They usually either accuse someone who speaks up of being overly sensitive, needing to get a sense of humour or a life, or they pull out and play the hypocrisy card! even though there is no mention of or context for hypocrisy in their original statement.

[jpgray]

48. I like yours better!

I think for straight white males like myself who are mostly safe from persecution, it's easy if you're not careful for your social programming to miss a few critical updates. Witness my grandpa who thinks "colored" is still polite. :D To be fair, it was... in 1961 or thereabouts.

[Nickster]

30. See, I'm kinda on the same wavelength as you are. I think of the evidence of them

being self-hating as how violently they oppose homosexuals and what they do and how they do it. I've NEVER heard such explicit details about gay sex as I've heard from gay-hating idiots. They talk about all these "terrible acts" that gay people supposedly do. Then I think about myself and wonder why the heck would they be so obsessed with gay sex? I don't know anything about the "gay agenda" and I don't think about it as often as these folks do. Hell, I don't think I've ever heard openly gay folks talk about gay sex as much as I've heard it from homophobes. The only time I'd get obsessed about something like that is if I really wanted it and was somehow kept away from it. Being conservative is all about denying yourself anything outside of the "norm" so...... a violently anti-gay conservative usually screams to me repressed homosexual and I feel sad for them. Life is too damn short and they just don't get that their world won't end if they were gay.

I dunno, I'm just a dumb straight boy.

[terrya]

8. The only thing I can thing of is that those people who do that are homophobes

They have less than enlightened (to put it mildly) attitudes about gay and lesbian people and homosexuality in particular. So, to hurl the ultimate insult at Republicans, it's always convenient to play the homo card. Like, for instance, that ridiculous stupid piece of shite thread I saw on GD suggesting that Bush is bisexual. Not one goddamned shred of real evidence to back that up.

It gets really bad at times...Mark Foley, Jeff Gannon. Just purile, nasty bigoted shit.

Fortuately, there are people here who are tired of homophobia like that and are fighting back. Because, when you try, repeatedly, to educate people, and they refuse to even try to understand about us, then fighting back seems to be the only option around here.

And I do thank the mods also for locking the really cretinous stuff.

[jonnyblitz]

14. it's not just GD with the Mann Coulter crap it is also in the lounge

when some post pictures from gay pride events or create very "gay" photoshopped pics to tease or mock one of their buddies.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

15. dont forget guiliani in a dress. worse crime he committed.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

16. dont forget guiliani in a dress. worse crime he committed.

[XNASA]

17. Ooh....tell me more, big boy.

:*

[LSK]

23. I have never noticed this

:shrug:

[Kerrytravelers]

25. I am so sick of this as well.

Calling people gay, fat, a transsexual or retarded is all ok. I personally hate the word bitch. But don't tell someone in GD that. They will fly off the handle then. And heaven forbid someone make a racist remark and have it pointed out. Instead of learning from their mistake like an adult, they just jump to the defensive and blame anyone who questions them.

It's major bullshit.

[WhollyHeretic]

26. Stop being so freakin' PC

:sarcasm:

They always think that brilliant rejoinder excuses any bigotry. Calling someone PC is right out of the right-wing playbook but there are plenty here who love to use it.

[cboy4]

29. Oh come on Kerry......you're overreacting.

What's the appeal of GD without personal attacks?!?!

What are you, a geek?

I mean, so what if people want to write like first graders when debating a topic?

Haven't you heard? Rosie is a fat cow.

And....Ann Coulter isn't a rotten person because of her hateful views. We loathe her because she has an adams apple.

As so many have told me, you just need a thicker skin!!

Geeeez, don't be such a bitch. :sarcasm:

[Der Blaue Engel]

41. She doesn't need a thicker skin, she needs balls

:hide:

[Left Is Write]

50. Oooh.

You are in very much trouble now.

[Der Blaue Engel]

52. .

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[Gormy Cuss]

51. All the variants on 'retard' (like 'fucktard') annoy me but

I don't have the balls to tell the people in GD. :sarcasm:

[idgiehkt]

31. thanks for articulating that so deftly

:applause:

I think your question is an answer in itself.

[ScreamingMeemie]

32. Because we need to know how hypocritical they are...

:sarcasm:

So the best way to do that is by alienating people and being homophobic. :sarcasm:

get with the program already.

[Rosemary2205]

33. Given the anti-gay votes in all those states

I'd say there's a hell of a lot of homophobic liberals floating around out there too.

[Dastard Stepchild]

35. There is no crime like being a gender traitor...

:sarcasm:

Men are supposed to have big, powerful balls, yet be sensitive, but in a MANLY, hairy way.
Women are supposed to follow, rather than lead, but every other night, Mother can express a heated opinion (limited to 2 minutes, please) while sitting at the dinner table. Our of earshot of the public. With said opinion preferably one that Father agrees with.

If you fall outside of this simplistic rubric and are a man that cries at the sight of something personally moving, or a woman that screams at the top of your lungs at the first provocation of anger, well then, you just ain't being what your supposed to be.

So, Ann Coulter is Mann Coulter because she is loud. And tall. And severe. And we don't quite like this qualities in our little ladies. We like 'em short, And plush. With a minimal amount of outburst. And a fastidiously dressed GOP male is clearly a F-A-G-G-O-T, 'cuz no good, God fearin' conservative man could really ever like a good suit and a great pair of shoes.

:eyes:

I have absolutely no tolerance for rigidly prescribed gender rules and roles, but I am fairly in the minority there. :)

[La Lioness Priyanka]

36. seconded.

[underpants]

39. They are all gay

About the gay thing-I don't mean that in an accusatory way I really do think that what became the elite of the elite in the think tanks recruited gays at Harvard (mostly) and Yale-some other Ivy League type schools- back in the late 60's and early 70's. These were social darwinists who held tightly the belief that these were clearly superiorly bred gene pools that had distinguished themselves from the pack of immigrants of the early part of the century. They needed capable bodies and the fact that these men were gay meant that they would forever be loyal as their ultimate fear of being outed could be held over their heads. The rest, as they say, is just wearing a suit and hanging the diploma.

Cheney
Bolton
Roberts
Alito
Norquist
Drier (not Harvard)
etc.


This is my one and only conspiracy theory...that and the one about how they killed Pat Tillman before he could get back to the States and hand Kerry an unfixable landslide.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

42. you theory isnt so much homophobic as insane.

[HarukaTheTrophyWife]

43. Now, I like a good conspiracy theory, but that is what I like to call...

FUCKING NUTS!!!

[Anarcho-Socialist]

40. It troubles me too

Whilst the GOP does have strong elements of homoeroticism this does not mean 'gay'. I agree that the manner in which some GDers are attributing sexuality to Repubs they don't like does seem very homophobic as it is used as a negative.

[Blue-Jay]

44. Thanks for posting this, jpgray.

I think it's disgusting that people equate "gay" with "bad/evil/incompetent". There seems to be a lot of that going on around here.

[terrya]

45. I want to thank you for posting this, jpgray.

I appreciate you posting this. This was a discussion that needed to be brought up.

[jpgray]

47. Thanks Terry. If it pisses off a mostly oblivious jagoff like -me-

Then you know it's offensive! :D Even if someone believes the effect is wholly unintentional and that they are really doing nothing wrong, at least they should know that many people find it offensive and juvenile.

[xchrom]

46. IT'S ABOUT THE HYPOCRISY!!!!!

:eyes:

those fools think if they repeat their sanctioned homophobic spew loud enough and often enough -- it makes it true.

[HEyHEY]

49. "JP Gray"? Take out the "R" and what do we have?

I knew it... I knew it all along!

[jpgray]

53. I got that in junior high once

I must have just been too pretty. :P

[Blue-Jay]

54. OMG! He's got teh Ghey!

(the above is a sarcastic & stupid reply in order to keep this thread alive, and hopefully draw some responses from the gay+evil crowd....Fact is, those idiots are too afraid to post here.)

[cwydro]

55. You were right.

I read that thread...glad to see it got locked. Amazing.

I've got a pretty thick skin, but this stuff can get old. Fast.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

56. didnt you make an argument a while ago that the rest of us were over reacting?

i didnt really say this to be snarky...but next time maybe you will reconsider calling a bunch of people overly sensitive when maybe all we are doing is paying more attention.

[cwydro]

57. Well yes, sometimes I do think there is over reaction

But when one sees the same tripe again and again; it is obvious there is a pattern. (I mean in GD re the OP.)

And actually I was just making the point (in that particular argument) that things have improved in the years since I came out. And I still think they have.

We're not on opposite sides Lioness. I can assure you of that..:hi:

Even in this most gay of towns where I live, believe me, there is homophobia - alive and well (or rather, not well but SICK). Sad, but it's true.

Edited for clarification and to add a period.

[cwydro]

58. I didn't take it as snarky at all.

I understand your viewpoint. Really I do.

It was not my intention to offend. Just stating MY viewpoint.

If it makes you feel any better, I just learned how homophobic one of my co-workers truly is.:grr:

[Maven]

59. Exactly.

There's no difference between that, and shouting "homo!" across the room at someone you don't like.

But luckily there are people here to tell us what we shouldn't be offended about.

[Jamastiene]

60. I found this too late to recommend it, but

it ain't too late to kick it.

Great thread and so true about so many posters equating evil with gay. They need to stop and think about that, but of course, those types never do.