**********OFFICIAL COLTS VS. PATRIOTS THREAD***********

[sasquatch]

[edbermac]

1. LET'S GO PATS!!

:woohoo:

[sasquatch]

2. Touchdown Patriots! NE 7 - Indy 0

:wow:
Can somebody PLEASE pull the horseshoe from Bellicheck's ass.

[Guaranteed]

4. Wasn't that funny?

I just saw the replay and had to laugh.

[Awsi Dooger]

5. It's hardly luck

The Patriots scheme all year to encourage dropped passes and flubbed fumble recoveries

[SeattleGirl]

3. Touchdown, Pats!!

:woohoo:

[sasquatch]

6. Field Goal! Colts 3 - Patriots 7

The:kick:is good

[SeattleGirl]

7. Another TD for the Pats!

:woohoo:

[graywarrior]

8. YES!

[ElboRuum]

9. I hope the Colts win...

Just so I can see Peyton do his choke in the big show.

[Kajsa]

17. Where are the Colt fans here?

And why aren't they screaming bloody
murder over the lack of calls against
the Patriots?

:shrug:

[SeattleGirl]

10. Pick off and touchdown, Pats!

:applause: :applause: :applause:

[graywarrior]

11. Hahahahahaha !!!! !!!!

[bicentennial_baby]

12. Jeebus Colts, just let us walk on into the endzone!

:rofl:

Go Pats! :bounce:

"The Colts weren't expecting to be this down, this early...5 minutes into the 2nd" :rofl:

[MrSlayer]

13. Too early to gloat but this is funny.

Peyton Manning, greatest regular season QB ever. Biggest postseason flop in history. He's a gutless choker.

[Guaranteed]

14. He's the new Dan Marino. nt

[Doctor_J]

15. Yes, it's "Mister October"

I was the only one in my pool that picked the Pats today.

[kmla]

92. I agree. It was too early to gloat.

:evilgrin:

[Guaranteed]

93. Hey, Marino GOT to a SuperBowl, too.

;)

[Kajsa]

16. He tripped him!

NE tripped him!
Why wasn't that called?

And why wasn't the facemask
called against the Patriots?

WTH?

[MrSlayer]

18. Wayne tripped himself.

You can see it clearly. The play before is where I would have thrown a flag for interference.

[HuckleB]

19. I don't really care about either team, but it would be nice to see the Colts pull it off.

An all-midwest Super Bowl would be awesome!

[Shakespeare]

20. Yeah, maybe if it's a college team that was a touchdown.

Fucking New England never has a call go against them. :eyes:

He had one foot in. ONE foot. Fucking bullshit.

[Kajsa]

23. Amen! No TD!

This is BS.

[Kajsa]

21. Are these the same refs who

officiated in last year's Superbowl?

It's starting to look like it.

[MrSlayer]

24. I'm the biggest ref critic there is, I haven't seen anything blatant yet.

What exactly are you complaining about? Which calls or non-calls?

[Kajsa]

25. Face mask- Against NE

It was clearly visible on camera and
mentioned by the commentators.
Not called-


I'll take your call on the tripping incident.

The last call was wrong- One foot was in,
Not a touchdown.

I'm not alone here,

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=105&topic_id=6088884&mesg_id=6089657

[MrSlayer]

30. Agree on the facemask. Two feet down was irrelevant because of the push out.

You can't push a man out of bounds while he's coming down with the ball. That was a fair call. It doesn't matter anyway. The Pats defense looks done.

[jobycom]

32. You CAN push him out...

There's no penalty for pushing him out. The issue is whether, in the judgement of the officials, he would have come down with the ball in possession in bounds if he wasn't pushed. They said yes. I think that was questionable, but not really a bad call. Just one of those things where the Pats got the benefit of the doubt.

[Kajsa]

34. Hey jobycom!

good to see ya, here!

:pals:

[jobycom]

37. A glass of good sherry helps you get over many things!

Besides, Peyton is from New Orleans, and of course there's the whole Archie Manning connection, so it's my chance for a vicarious Saints win.

[Kajsa]

44. Good for you!

That's the spirit!
:7

[Kajsa]

47. NE- 34 Colts-31

3:49 left in the game.

whoops, posted in wrong spot.

[MrSlayer]

36. Yes. I just went with basic explanation.

The call was correct.

[jobycom]

45. The call was justifiable.

:rofl: therefore, "correct."

[Seabiscuit]

102. The issue was whether the receiver retained possession of the ball

after being pushed out. Only one replay angle clearly showed that he did. The refs got it right.

[MrSlayer]

22. Colts make a nice comeback to tie, Pats pull ahead again. 28-21

The Patriots defense looks tired. They're starting to get pushed around a bit. This game could turn into a barnburner.

[many a good man]

26. The CENTER scores a TD???!!!???

Saturday.

[Kajsa]

27. I believe that's a first.

But I could be wrong.

[MrSlayer]

28. Tied at 28. Patriots' D is gassed.

Looks like New England has to score on every possession now.

[Awsi Dooger]

29. I'll be shocked if New England loses

A team with that type of halftime lead very seldom loses in the NFL, even if the other team comes back and ties it up or takes the lead.

But I'm certainly rooting for the Colts.

[MrSlayer]

31. I'm not saying it's over. They just look tired, they're getting pushed around.

A couple guys went out hurt, a bunch of them have the flu. They look cooked.

[jobycom]

33. Does Caldwell usually catch the football? I'm thinking maybe the Cowboys should sign him

the way he's dropping passes.

[MrSlayer]

35. Well that makes up for the non-facemask call. 31-28 Pats.

That was interference without a doubt. Colts caught a break on that one. Let's see if Manning can play hurt.

[jobycom]

38. So it really might come down to a Vinatieri kick, mightn't it?

[Kajsa]

40. It just did.

n/t

[jobycom]

43. That's for the tie. I mean for the win. nt

[Ekirh]

39. Well Then,

This has shaped up to be quite a game. . .

I'm fully entertained!

[Reverend_Smitty]

41. What a game...

It's been pretty even all night, but I'm still putting faith in Tom Brady to pull it out in crunch time

[MrSlayer]

42. Colts tie it at 31 with a 36 yard field goal.

Moved down the field pretty quick there. 52 yard pass play to Clark was the highlight.

[MrSlayer]

46. 34-31 Pats. 43 yard field goal. 4 minutes to go.

[fishwax]

48. what a nice defensive play on 3rd down

breaking up that Manning pass :applause:

[Awsi Dooger]

49. These teams are flawed as hell

Two straight possessions with one pass carrying deep in opposing territory. That may look cute and be entertaining but it's not close to the caliber of teams we had in the pre-salary cap era.

Now the Colts are down by 3 and relying on their defense to get the ball back. Good luck. The Colts special teams have been horrendous today.

[MrSlayer]

51. Yes, it's an unfortunate consequence of parity.

No team can be strong everywhere. No depth, too many teams.

[MrSlayer]

50. Patriots defense stiffens up. 3 and out Colts. 3:22 to go.

A td here will probably end it.

[Kajsa]

52. This could go either way.

Crunchtime.

[MrSlayer]

53. Colts defense returns the favor. Colts ball on the 31. 2:12 to go.

Crunch time.

[Ekirh]

54. Woah. . .

Lucky he brought the ball back in

and what a penalty!!!!

[Kajsa]

57. Great recovery!

n/t

[Kajsa]

55. Roughing the passer.

(They're trying to kill Manning.)

Half distance to the goal.

[Awsi Dooger]

56. I'm glad Peyton got the ball back

Give him a chance to decide it. It would have been a tame disappointing ending if New England had converted that 3rd down to all but end the game since the Colts have only one time out left.

Sheesh, Harrison tried to fumble the game away. He and Reggie Wayne have been anything but surehanded today.

Repeating, it's ridiculous how both of these teams allow one massive pass play to carve deep into their territory, during the 4th quarter.

Now it will be interesting to see how the Colts play this. Do they try to score the TD quickly, or get cute and juice the clock with conservative plays to leave Brady with no time. You're supposed to go for the TD, regardless of how quickly it comes.

[jobycom]

60. The Cowboys lost them a game with this strategy. nt

[MrSlayer]

58. New England should be calling time out here.

[Ekirh]

59. And they have N/T

[mohinoaklawnillinois]

63. Touchdown, Indianapolis!!!

Can Brady pull off a miracle?? There's only 1:00 left.

Good Lord, what a football game....

[MrSlayer]

68. Yeah but they should have done it after 1st down.

They cost themselves 30 seconds.

[Ekirh]

69. Point Taken N/T

[Ekirh]

61. AND HOLY SHIT!!!

TOUCHDOWN COLTS

now can they hold in in the final minute!

[jobycom]

64. Tom Brady, one minute left, needing a touchdown.

If he wins this, he goes beyond legendary. And who doesn't think he has shot at it? Damn, this is a great game!

[Ekirh]

66. Oh he's Capable

Lets kick off and get this final minute going!!!

[Kajsa]

65. Incredible!

Looks like the Colts have it.

But -- there's 1 minute left.

[Reverend_Smitty]

62. Holy Crap

Pats have 1 minute and 2 timeouts, can Brady take them down the field? Ack! what a great game!

[Guaranteed]

67. Welp, one minute left, 4 points down. Let's see how much Montana

Brady really has in him.

[Reverend_Smitty]

71. 80 yards in 54 seconds is a tall order...

but if anyone can do it, it's Brady

[Guaranteed]

73. 24 seconds, 1 TO, on the 45....

Very doable.

[Awsi Dooger]

70. Brady can cement his legend if he pulls this out

Not that he needs it, but on the road needing a TD would be a capper.

Manning will get plenty of credit regardless, executing a comeback like this.

Now let's see if the Colts can manage competent kickoff coverage.

They did.

[MrSlayer]

72. It's Brady time. Let's see what he can do here.

40 seconds left. on their own 40.

[SeattleGirl]

74. HOLY NAIL BITER, BATMAN!!!

What a game!

[Ekirh]

75. INTERCEPTED!!!!

!!!!
!
!
!
!

!!

! SUPERBOWL COLTS!!!!!!

[SeattleGirl]

80. Can you believe this game?

:wow:

[Ekirh]

81. Out of all the ways it could've ended

I wouldn't of picked.. Brady throws an game ending interception.

[Reverend_Smitty]

82. One of the greatest second halves I've ever seen in the playoffs

[Seabiscuit]

91. Indeed. This is one for the history books.

[Reverend_Smitty]

76. Holy SHIT he's picked off!

wow!

[jobycom]

77. ANd Brady chokes! Peyton wins!

[edbermac]

88. Can't blame Brady; the Pats defense let this one get away.

[jobycom]

94. Yeah, but if Peyton had thrown that interception, everyone would call him a choker. nt

[edbermac]

95. I wouldn't have; I thought he played a helluva game.

[jobycom]

99. Well, then, everyone else. nt

[edbermac]

101. Including you?

;)

[jobycom]

103. LOL! You aren't defending Brady, you are

trying to see how far we can get this branch to stick out! :rofl:

No, I never thought of Manning as a choker. But others have. There are comments upthread claiming so. (And no I don't think of Brady as a choker, either. The comment was sarcasm, or juxtaposition, or some such thing.)

:)

[edbermac]

105. Sure I'm defending Brady, he's got a few rings, hasn't he?

Just hope the Colts-Bears is a good game, I hate blowouts...

[Kajsa]

78. Interception!!

Colts go to the SuperBowl.

[MrSlayer]

79. That's it. Colts win. 38-34

Brady shows he is mortal after all. Good game.

[Kajsa]

86. It was a great game!

The Patriots played a great game.

[MrSlayer]

96. They did. Both teams played their hearts out.

I have a feeling this will be the best game of the playoffs.

[Awsi Dooger]

83. Great stuff!

I respect New England but it's a better scenario to give Peyton his chance at the ring.

[edbermac]

84. DAMN DAMN DAMN

We should have blown them out in the first half.

[Awsi Dooger]

90. The key play of the game was the 3rd and 4 at 2:30 remaining

I was very surprised Brady didn't convert there. Give credit to Bob Sanders for cutting in front and nearly making the INT.

If New England had made that first down the clock runs to the 2 minute warning and Indy could stop the clock only once. Essentially, game over.

But I agree the clock management was strange at the end of the game. They should have called time out after the first completion of the last drive.

[Doctor_J]

100. Very impressive

you DID blow them out in the first half.

Colts look like they are in high gear. My Bears have their work cut out for them on the 4th.

:scared:

[Scarlett17]

85. Yippee!

Biggest comeback ever! Go Colts! :headbang:

[jgraz]

87. fuckin-A

Way to go Colts.

[Seabiscuit]

89. BAM!

What a GREAT game!

[bullwinkle428]

97. Aaaaaannnnnnnd some jerk on another board is already blaming the refs

for the Patriots' loss!! :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[Shakespeare]

98. Oh, the irony.

*tuck*

[Awsi Dooger]

104. Colts are favored by 7 in the Super Bowl

Over/under is 49, making a projection of roughly 28-21.

This is the second straight year a lower seeded AFC team is favored by more than a field goal over the top seeded NFC team.

[never cry wolf]

106. Good luck with that, the Bears looked damn good

We shall see, but the Bears played with a mission today... They humbled the #1 offense in the league... We shall see..

[Awsi Dooger]

108. Interesting game with plenty of contrasts

Grossman is obviously a potential liability but one way to boost a shaky QB is a physical and effective running game. Chicago could control the line of scrimmage. For some reason the Patriots got away from the running game today after it burned Indy early.

Here's one interesting stat: For the past three years the Colts have lost in the playoffs to a team with a decided edge in defensive yards per pass attempt, about a half yard or more every time. Indy's pass defense was significantly improved this year, and only one team in the playoffs had that half yard+ edge, the Chicago Bears.

[HuckleB]

109. I'll take those seven points with the Bears.

The oddsmakers may lose some big money on this one.

[Awsi Dooger]

112. They'll lose if the Bears win the game outright

The money always shows up on the underdog to win the game. But the oddsmakers know that so they put up a much lower money line than typical based on the pointspread. Sometimes it's a joke, the money line (odds to win straight up) maybe half of what it would be in the regular season.

Chicago fans should be aware of that. It's almost guaranteed you'll have far better value taking the 7 points than the money line. Sometimes I hear novice bettors at Super Bowl time talking brazenly about taking the odds to win the game and not the points. That sounds great but if you're taking the underdog it's basically stupid, no threat of value. It would be like picking a presidential hopeful for 2008 and receiving half the odds you're supposed to get, based on true probability.

At +7, for example, I would never take less than +250. Right now the typical money line on this game is roughly -250 on the Colts and +210 on Chicago. That means bet 25 to win 10, or bet 10 to win 21. It's MUCH better value for Colts bettors. I have a value chart on money lines based on decades of research. My "give" number on a 7 point favorite is -240, which is basically where this money line is. Normally the available number is not close to the range, but in the Super Bowl, as I indicated, the linesmakers slash it due to the known tendency of wagerers to prefer the underdog regardless of value.

The money on the spread itself is typically balanced, which of course is the basic idea.

[HuckleB]

113. I never actually bet money.

But I do appreciate the lesson.

Salud!

[Seabiscuit]

114. You just spelled out why I don't bet on sports or play craps...

too many confusing number combinations to follow (they give me a headache just reading about them), so I'll take a favorite slot machine or black jack dealer any day, and just sit back and enjoy the simplicity of it all.

[Awsi Dooger]

115. I had to automate it, and rely on a grind

It's not as ego-rewarding to bet hundreds of games based on mathematical systems and just try to hit 55-58%. But I found out it's by far the best solution for me. Not as time consuming, for one thing. Instead of keeping track of every injury and every rumor I just bet what the situational and statistical angles tell me. No second guessing that way. Today I lost both games in the first half but my system was 6-0 in the playoff first halves before today.

[Seabiscuit]

116. With those kinds of results, you must have a good system down.

I just become a bit mentally lazy when I'm in Vegas - I only go there on small vacations a couple times a year, and I tend to shut down the thinking side of my brain.

Just looking at the odds on the big boards in the sports bars makes me dizzy, as I don't understand any of the terminology, and whatever I once did, I've forgotten long ago.

With blackjack, there are only a few easy rules to follow. The rest is pure luck. With multiple-deck shoes, there isn't much point in even trying to count cards. So I don't.

There are only certain machines I play, and I do play them in a disciplined way, but it doesn't involve much thinking. Just enough, however, to come back with plenty of the casino's money most of the time. :)

[mvd]

107. Wow - that was a great game

I don't really like the Colts or Manning, but it is nice for Dungy. And it's a milestone to have two black coaches in the Super Bowl. Who will win the Super Bowl? I lean towards the Bears, only because their defense looked so good again. But the Colts have more weapons than the Saints. The Saints rely on the run a lot, and the Eagles had a bad run defense.

[Jamastiene]

110. Wait, wait. Let me. I'll do it.

Of course, you have to have the one person who comes in here and says they hate sports and wish you hadn't started this thread. Well, I'll say I hate sports, just to give you that one obligatory reply. :sarcasm: :P

[sasquatch]

118. I fart in your general direction, and so does my cat

:sarcasm:

[Jamastiene]

120. I have three cats and we all just ate fish.

It's official. A farting contest. Brap!!! Brap!!! Brap!!! poot (I have one cat who doesn't get too much gas despite the fact that he loves pinto beans)... Beat that. :sarcasm: :rofl:

[HuckleB]

111. Congratulations, Colts Fans!

[RedStateShame]

117. Did anybody else catch Manning pat Bill Belichick's stomach after the game?

I don't know if he was going for a hug, and Belichick walked away maybe, but it really looked like Manning patted Belichick's stomach. Kinda condescending, I think.

[PVnRT]

119. Score another one for Indiana

IU beats UConn
Indianapolis beats New England

ALL YOUR TEAM ARE BELONG TO US