I learned in GD today that fighting for the poor is consistent with the philosophy of Ayn Rand

[jpgray]

I need a drink. The primaries are going to be even scarier than they were four years ago.

[SPKrazy]

1. Have We Been Infiltrated

by the morans?

WTF?

[jpgray]

6. Well, I said we could applaud someone's work for the poor AND deplore their excessive lifestyle

At the same time, even. I guess in brief my love for Ted Kennedy's minimum wage fight and FDR's New Deal makes me an Objectivist acolyte because they were excessive, wasteful rich people.

[crim son]

2. Euthanizing the poor is consisten with the philosophy

of Ayn Rand. That or letting them drop dead on the streets because God knows, if they haven't the wherewithal to support themselves, they're better off as paving stones.

[SeattleGirl]

5. Hmmmm, did Ayn study the philosophy of Ebenezer Scrooge,

before the visit of the three spirits?

[crim son]

7. As an historical figure she reminds me of Mary Baker Eddy,

founder of the Christian Science Church. Her personal struggle and subsequent triumph appears to have blinded her to the fact that not everybody successfully rises to the challenge.

[SeattleGirl]

8. That's so bad when that happens.

That's why I CAN'T get mad at people like Edwards. Sure, he's got bucks, but he earned them, and he gives back, and doesn't forget those who haven't yet "made it".

[SPKrazy]

17. But, but but....

we hate people who have money and those who don't have money, we're democrats and apparently we hate everyone now!

:shrug: :sarcasm:

[crim son]

20. Who is this "we"?

Don't let GD poison your mind! :D

on edit, typo

[SPKrazy]

22. Don't Get Smart With Me Crimmie

we is sarcastically referring to the we democrats who don't exist, but you knew that

ps

PM'd you just now

[The Traveler]

23. Besides retaining simple human empathy

Edwards seems to know instinctively that the good of the tribe is essential to achieving the individual good, that there must be balance between the two. "Rising to the challenge" often involves not only character but luck, the random toin coss that conveys no information about the worthiness of the player. Further, worldly measures of "success" often have little to do with the complete worth of a person. One of the wisest men I ever met was this old black dude who was the custodian of the elementary school where my mon taught. I think Edwards gets all this.

I like Edwards for those reasons. I say this while noting that I remain staunchly uncommitted, at least for a time.

[SeattleGirl]

25. Exactly, Traveler.

Not all rich people are selfish bastards, and not all poor people are noble and kind. I don't know WHY so many people insist on demonizing everyone who is rich. It silly, and annoying, and very simplistic.

[SPKrazy]

12. Such Compassionate Hedonistic Libertarianism

not that all libertarianism is hedonistic, or that I'm all against hedonism completely :evilgrin:


I can't stand Ayn Rand and don't even know how to put her in a particular category, objectivism I believe she is place in.

I'm all for individualism, but I'm for helping people too...or I'd make a lousy social worker if I weren't I suppose.

:shrug:

[GirlinContempt]

3. OOooo

Wish I'd seen that

[jpgray]

19. Not worth seeing.

An immigrant against immigration, a fidelity-championing adulteress... now those are things to see! :D

[GirlinContempt]

28. But I've SEEN that

:D

[LeftyMom]

4. Sure it is

Fighting to exploit them, fighting to keep them poor, fighting to eat their tasty babies...

Fighting for the improvement of their lives, not so much. How can you reach a state of ideal selfishness if others stubbornly insist on not starving so that you may feast?

[philosophie_en_rose]

16. Ayn Rand loved the poor! loved them!

Like a wolf loves sheep.

[The Traveler]

26. Ayn Rand on serving the poor

Broil at 350, basting frequently. Season to taste. Best serverd with a rich hollandaise ...

:evilgrin:

[Porcupine]

27. well said. "fighting to eat their tasty babies"

It's just so sad the poor keep insisting on bothering the wealthy with their petty requests for food, houseing and minimal medical care. Aren't there workhouses? Don't we have homeless shelters?

[swag]

9. Capitalism: The Unknown Ideal!

[jpgray]

11. Did she screw Greenspan?

Take a moment for your mind's eye to wrap around that.

[bridgit]

10. so, it really is every man, woman & child for themselves after all...

good to know :thumbsup:

[SPKrazy]

14. Ultimately It Is

but we strive as a society to create a safety net and social fabric that might intercede at points along a person's life as to make it better.

[The Traveler]

13. Ya know

I have never been able to make it through any of her books. Boring drivel. I have become convinced no serious thinker retains an interest in Ayn Rand beyond puberty.

That being said, having flirted with Libertarianism long ago in my dark past, I do know something of Objectivism, I really don't understand the thesis ... that fighting for the poor is consistent with Randian "philosophy". Elucidate, please. Do you have a link, perhaps?

As for that drink, I think I'll have to join ya ... this is going to be weird ...

Trav

[Goblinmonger]

15. In bizarro world, maybe

Did Spock have a mustache when he said that?

[LeftyMom]

18. threadjack MirrorSpock is a hottie! /threadjack That's all. Carry on. nt

[Goblinmonger]

21. Over the years I've come to notice

that the ladies have a thing for nasty spock.

[jpgray]

24. The dirtiest Sanchez.

[tigereye]

29. I think

she may have had a brief flirtation with the idea that they were, in fact, people.

[skygazer]

30. I saw your thread over there

Thought it was a nicely reasoned and calmly sensible offering to the debate. Then of course it degenerated into a frothing GD flamefest.

(at least I think it was your thread - or a reply to a thread from you)

Yeah, if these are the things we're devouring each other over now, I'm not looking forward to the primaries. :scared:

[xchrom]

31. would you pour me one too, please?

i'm up to my eyeballs in judgementalism these days.

we seem to have sprouted a new brand of fundies.

and that coming from someone with strong socialist leaninings.

i'm not gettin it.