Here's what Howard Dean's own mom says about him

[billbuckhead]

Dean's agenda is widely recognized by those who know him; Dean's own mother recently confessed to a Time magazine reporter that her son is not a liberal, saying, "He's not really … I just hope they don't find that out just yet."

[Jerseycoa]

1. Leave the man's mother alone

:spank:

[DemDogs]

15. My favorite quote from Mom:

"We didn't even treat the servants like servants."
I feel much better now.

[Padraig18]

2. This is a huge secret?

"I am a passionate centrist."

Gee, who knew? :eyes:

[Scott Lee]

3. UPI: Dean's Detractors Run Out of Material; Eye Surrender

[jumptheshadow]

51. DU: Dean supporters belittle gay relationships

And no apologies were made.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=65952

[DancingBear]

4. No need for this thread, I'm afraid

We can all stir up enough trouble without mom getting involved.

Let it be.

[Rose Siding]

5. But does sne wear army boots?

That's what we really need to know!

[KC21304]

18. I don't care what she puts on her feet, but if she talks to Time

magazine, I do not see anything wrong with discussing it. Especially if she says something that is not the conventional wisdom around here. I believe it is called truth in advertising.

[Jerseycoa]

20. I can't agree with you for once

The candidates' families should be off limits, all of them.

[KC21304]

21. Only once ? LOL

I agree families are off limits, unless they give interviews.

[xultar]

6. Yo Mama is so fat when she goes to a McDonalds the sign reads

Capacity:
350 people
or
Yo' Mama

[incapsulated]

11. lol

Ah, yo mama jokes! ;)

Dean need's to talk to mom. I heard someone on CNN give another "mom" quote, something about "we didn't treat our servants like servants"? eek!

(not picking on Dean's mom, she just needs to know she's not really helping her son)

[Jerseycoa]

12. Whoa, look at that sig!!

:bounce:

[incapsulated]

13. ;) thx!

[maxanne]

16. Martha Fuller Clark

who ran for the US House in 2002, always handed out Clark bars when she made appearances. She was a class act, who was the victim of a vast Republican smear campaign.

[Clark Campaigner]

53. nice sig line

;)

[xultar]

7. Yo Mama is so fat when she wanted a waterbed the salesman

threw a blanket over the Pacific!

[xultar]

8. Yo Mama is so old Jesus signed her yearbook n/t

[xultar]

9. Yo Mama is so PO' she makes roaches pay rent n/t

[mouse7]

27. You moma is so poor...

When you stub out a cigarette on the floor, she yells, "Who turned off the heat?"

[FubarFly]

10. OMG!!! Dean's not a liberal?!

Who should I vote for now...

Help, Mary! ;-)

Seriously, I hope the right wing nutjobs don't find out Dean isn't a liberal quite yet either. It's best to take them unawares. Of course his supporters know the real deal. It's in the memo. Didn't you get the memo?

:-)

[cryofan]

14. Fruit don't fall too far from the tree!

Mom wants to deceive the public, and so does Howard.

But through the magic of technology, we can see what Howard really thinks by reading what he said about his personal political philosophy back a few years ago, when he was governor of Vermont:


Dean's own words are in bold print below:

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Most of the Democrats in the legislature rebelled against Dean over the budget cuts, and he ended up depending on Republican votes to pass most of his proposals. At the time, a local Vermont newspaper wrote, "The biggest items on Dean’s agenda for next year are likely to provoke more opposition from the Democrats than the Republicans. Nevertheless, Dean said he feels no particular pressure to deliver the goods to his party or to promote the Democratic agenda."15

In the mid-1990s, Dean even aligned himself with the likes of Republican Newt Gingrich on his stance on cutting Medicare. He opined at the time, "The way to balance the budget is for Congress to cut Social Security, move the retirement age to 70, cut defense, Medicare and veterans pensions, while the states cut everything else."16
....
The Rutland Herald described how one protestor, Henrietta Jordan of the Vermont Center for Independent Living, "said it would be much fairer to raise taxes on people with expensive homes and cars, children in private school and a housekeeper at home than to cut programs that helped the 66,000 Vermonters living with disabilities."17 Dean responded callously, brushing off the pleas of Vermont’s most vulnerable by saying, "This seems like sort of the last gasp of the left here."18"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>


The rest of this article is here:
http://www.isreview.org/issues/32/dean.shtml

[mouse7]

28. cryofan said, "Mom wants to deceive the public"

*SMACK*

You just called a man's mother a liar with no evidence whatsover.

*SMACK*

[Cheswick2.0]

17. no shit Sherlock

I wonder when she figured it out? He is a social liberal/fiscal centrist and he is a populist.

[maxr4clark]

58. Just want to point out

...that the state that first used "X is for lovers" was Virginia. Most states use that line now.

[Forkboy]

19. Is there a Dean supporter out there that didn't know this?

:shrug:

Keep digging Bill.

[billbuckhead]

22. Amost everyday NPR says Dean is a liberal and I want to smash my dashboard

It's not true, but the media says it over and over again that Dean is a liberal and it's obvious many people are being mislead. Cokie Roberts has said it more than few times and I know she's lying but my neighbor doesn't.

[KaraokeKarlton]

23. The media says it all the time, but Dean supporters know he's not

a liberal. There's no point in you giving yourself carpal tunnel trying to "warn" us about something we all already know. And frankly, it's getting really redundant.

[Scott Lee]

25. why do you listen to a damn thing NPR says?

They lost their credibility a long time ago with their near cheerleading of the Iraq War. It looks like they remembered where their fed dollars came from and who was warming the exec chair at that time.

Screw 'em.

[billbuckhead]

31. It's false advertising and his mom is admitting it.

It's on all the other stations too, even on music stations not owned by Clear Channel.

[fabius]

24. We know he's not a liberal

...already, and that's OK. At least he's responsible which is vastly better that Bush.


As Lincoln said about Grant: " I need this man. He fights."

[mouse7]

26. My mom still tells people I'm going to be a priest, too.

Translation: Who the fuck cares what Dean's mom says.

[billbuckhead]

29. Didn't Jesus say the apple doesn't fall too far from the tree

or was it "by your fruits you will be judged"? I heard a biographer say that all the presidents had strong moms, so I think the mom thing isn't off limits. I think it was Beschloss.

[Printer70]

30. Dragging Candidate's Relatives into Fray

Let's stick to the issues, please.

[billbuckhead]

32. Family is always an issue. From the beginning of time

Every Presidents family since Washington's has been an issue. Why should it be different for Dean? Dean always wants to be held to a different standard. America deserves a higher standard.

[Printer70]

42. That's your argument?

Assault and murder have existed since time immemorial, so what's the big deal? It's always been that way and always should be. Please. People took unfair potshots at family of candidates in the past- it was abhorrent then as it is now. Let's raise the level of discourse.

[hellhathnofury]

33. Shocking! Now I can't vote for Dean. :(

Because we all know every Deanie worth their salt is attracted to Dean because his extreme liberal positions. Kool aid.

I like her already. Watch out Barb!

[cryofan]

34. just disregard the reverse-psychology naysayers

they are trying out a new tactic to stop those who post negatively about Dean: some variant of reverse psychology, hoping we will just go away. But don't go away. There are curious lurkers that come here every day to learn about the candidates. And we can help them learn about Dean.

[Skwmom]

35. I'm starting to believe that maybe

Howard Dean is neither liberal or conservative (he just does whatever he considers to be politically expedient at the momemt).

[hellhathnofury]

36. Way to hear it for black and whites!

Anyone in the middle or of mixed opinion, absolute opportunist lacking a nanogram of principle!

[Skwmom]

37. I can't see what Dean's principles are

What Dean believes in seems to be whatever he considers to be to his political advantage at the time.

[Forkboy]

38. I know

it's almost like deciding to be a Democrat all of a sudden after praising Bush Inc the year before!

[hellhathnofury]

40. Welcome to Politics 101.

"This equal emphasis on creating jobs, balancing budgets, and expanding government's social activism sums up Dean's approach to the office he has held longer than anyone in this century.... Dean's stunning political success -- five re-election bids, none of them close -- has been built on that balanced approach to government." The Burlington (Vermont) Free Press 09/13/01

http://www3.deanforamerica.com/site/PageServer?pagename=about_biography

That sums it up nicely.

[cryofan]

41. I think there is some truth to that...

....if the people demanded it, he would be a progressive politician when running for election. And once in office, he would probably be an effective president. But the problem is that we need something more than that. We already have scads of effective politicians. We a need a counterweight, someone at the top with liberal principles, the better to drive policy and to educate the voters and to lead us to a better country. Dean comes from a privileged background and it shows. Why on earth would I want him to represent me? He represents the investors and the wealthy more than me. We already have plenty of politicians like that.

[maxanne]

59. yeah

like jumping parties in order to run for president?

[Forkboy]

39. Where did you get this from?

I want to know what else his mother said about him,family issues being so acceptable and all.

[Forkboy]

46. Kick for a link

[REP]

47. TIME August 11, 2003

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/story/0,9171,1101030811-472817,00.html

[Forkboy]

48. Thanks Rep!

interesting piece.

[REP]

49. Indeed

I thought it was pretty positive, but then again, I may be addled from all the Kool-Aid I've had to drink...

(and it's REP - my initials, not a name)

[Forkboy]

50. I thought it pretty positive too

sorry about the name thing :spank:

And Grape Kool-Aid is one of man's finest inventions!

[REP]

43. WOW! We Read The Same Magazine Several Months Ago!

*Yawn*

Is Dean still eating kittens?

[Andromeda]

44. Actually,

Dean has been weaned off kittens. But, you know, once a kitten addict, always a kitten addict.:silly:

[REP]

45. Yeah, I Know

I'm picking kitten fur out of my teeth as I type!

[RetroLounge]

52. OMFG!!! He's NOT a liberal?????????

Well, then I want all my donation money back because I guess I've been deceived.

NOT.

Hey billbuckhead, you need to get a new shovel, this one ain't digging up anything and it reaks of desperation.

"Newsflash! Dean's Dad can beat up your Dad. Film at 11."

[Hep]

54. This is how low Dean opponentws will go

the desperation is palpable

[DemDogs]

55. When surrogate speaks, even Mom

That is legimate. Maybe it shouldn't be, but maybe if a candidate doesn't want Mom cited, should tell reporters that Mom is off limits -- they have done it with Wife.

[Hep]

56. Nope, sorry, wrong.

One line? That's BS. The quote is meaningless. There's not even an attempt to infuse any integrity into the post by providing a link or context.

[Cheswick2.0]

57. I am loving this thread

People are starting to get an idea of who Dean is. You are so right he is not the typical liberal.

Though I have to say his mother's remark does hint at a latent sneaky gene in the family history. I AM OUTRAGED. lol