So I'm the last person ALIVE to see TheSopranos & am underwhelmed.

[UTUSN]

Not that I've actually WATCHED it (have it on the t.v. while DUing). Plus, I've ALWAYS had a bias against mafia movies, detest Godfather I, II, III, ad infinitum. I don't like MASS MURDERERS being glorified, bottom line. When murderers are shown to have a SOFTER SIDE (family, they love their kids, they have religious rituals)----------I ---------DON'T CARE!!1

So this episode of The Sopranos has got some SUBLIME opera aria in the background while some mafia slut is whining about her marriage/love-life or WHATEVER the cheenee.

No. never again.

[zingaro]

1. Actually, you're not. I've never seen it.

I'll take your word for it and not bother. :thumbsup:

[UTUSN]

4. Thanks for the nice post. Rarity. n/t

[GaYellowDawg]

91. I'm another who hasn't seen it. And I can up the ante:

I've tried to watch "The Godfather" and couldn't sit through it. Not saying it's a bad movie; I'm perfectly open to the possibility that it's fantastic and I've got crappy taste. I just can't sit through mob movies.

[Starbucks Anarchist]

2. I'd hardly call them "mass" murderers.

Personally, I think it's a great show, as is Godfather I and II as films.

[UTUSN]

21. Oh, I think Godfather and this, are BRILLIANT and GENIUS, but don't like the message

and I grant that this BRIEF glimpse I've given Sop is not a fair chance.

[Starbucks Anarchist]

26. They're hardly glorified.

Many of the characters end up dead, or at the very least, battling serious mental demons.

Just because they make mobsters three-dimensional characters does not make them role models.

[UTUSN]

27. How come I keep on "getting" YOUR posts and apparently MINE don't get there?!!1 n/t

[Starbucks Anarchist]

28. Huh?

I understood your points, if that's what you're asking.

[UTUSN]

31. Well, your responses come across as lecturing & condescending.

Why did I have to explain THAT? But let's call it quits, eh?

[Starbucks Anarchist]

34. Really?

I'm offering my opinion of a show I have seen every episode of in a calm manner while you are typing in ALL CAPS and using lots of "!!!!1111" to offer your opinion of a show you've barely seen.

I understood what points you were trying to make, but how you respond to my thoughts is based on your perception entirely.

[UTUSN]

39. What part of "critical" and "judgmental" is not clear?

Your "thoughts" have been uniformly contentious. As for my typing in ALL CAPS, it's only the EMPHASIS, and the !!1 is an OLD, inside DU joke, so WHY does it all have to be SPELLED OUT??!!1

(Really, please don't answer--I really AM trying to TEAR MYSELF AWAY!!1 If discourse has to be 'spained to the nth degree, it just ain't worth it.)

[Starbucks Anarchist]

43. If you make good points, caps are not needed.

At least not with every other word, you know.

And I am aware of the "!!!111" DU joke -- the only thing is that your posts on this thread seem to be dead serious, which do not mesh well with the freeper-like punctuation that you intended to convey a humorous effect.

Contentious? First, I stated that I enjoyed the show, then you responded how you didn't like the message of the show -- therefore, I stated that the message you are thinking of is not the point of the show.

Somehow, that makes me condescending, but, hey, whatever.

[UTUSN]

49. Why is your using the "freeper" word O.K.? It's a DU rule-breaker

and cheap. As for your asphyxiation over my use of CAPS for EMPHASIS, it's JUST MY STYLE. *I* don't like your tenor, so?!!1

[Starbucks Anarchist]

51. I wasn't calling you a freeper.

I said the punctuation style you used was based on actual freepspeak, the same freepspeak that led to DUers using it mockingly.

However, like I said before, your deadly serious tone in this thread does not mesh well with said freepspeak, particularly when you are going for a humorous effect in that regard.

[UTUSN]

56. TEACH me!!1 Oh, PLEASE, teach me!!1 What a master!!1 n/t

[Starbucks Anarchist]

58. All right, have fun in that rubber room.

:eyes:

[Madspirit]

66. Not crazy about..

I'm not that crazy about most mobster shows either but I do like my villains three dimensional, even serial killers. I like to know and understand the psychological "why". I did love The Godfathers but you couldn't pay me to watch The Sopranos. ...but I saw nothing condescending about your post. I just thought you were explaining a different way of looking at things. I prefer my shows with shades of gray. I like all people in my shows to be three dimensional because all people are three dimensional. I thought you were just explaining that way of looking at these shows. I saw nothing wrong in what you posted. I hate black-and-white because nothing really is that way.
I love Joss Whedon's shows because of this. I love BSG, etc. I like Dark. It's real. ...and the best of these shows do not glorify the Evil. They show exactly the prices people pay.
Lee

[Starbucks Anarchist]

67. Thanks, Madspirit.

:hi:

[Madspirit]

70. ...and..

The only reason I don't watch The Sopranos is because it's not my preferred genre/s SciFi/Fantasy/Horror.

My new favorite show is Dexter...mwahahahaha...I bet the OP would HATE that. The protagonist/hero is a serial killer...<g>
Lee

[Starbucks Anarchist]

72. I need to check Dexter out.

I'm also about to start with BSG. I caught a bit of the newest episode, which revealed the death of a certain character, though, so there goes that surprise, but it still looks like a cool show to start on soon.

I've been watching The Wire obsessively lately, though I like to try different genres.

[Madspirit]

75. You never really know...

...if someone is dead or not on shows like BSG.

Dexter is great...just really great.
Lee

[Kat45]

73. I love Dexter.

That's a great show. Unfortunately, since I broke up with my boyfriend (who has Showtime) I won't be able to watch it next season until and unless I find a job, a job with a decent paycheck.

[Madspirit]

76. October

Dexter won't be back until October. That gives you some time.
Lee

[ghostsofgiants]

78. "I saw nothing condescending about your post."

"I just thought you were explaining a different way of looking at things. "

Maybe I'm just jaded and cynical but a lot of people sadly seem to think that offering a differing opinion IS condescension. Not good for open and intelligent discussion.

[LostinVA]

99. %$#@*& Get with the program, Starbucks Anarchist !!1111

This OP is SERIES!!1111

[LostinVA]

98. You're so condescending and lecturing, SA -- I'm telling Rachael Ray

Actually, she's Sicilian American, so I guess the OP might think her cooking show is also romanticized, or glorified, or something.


Hmmm.... Don Coreleone WAS an EVOO importer....

[barb162]

61. That;'s right; they come off as dumb mean idiots most of the time

I am a fan of the show and watch whenever I remember it's on and have the time.

[Archae]

3. I watched 5 minutes of it.

I just don't care for mafia movies either.

Watching "Video Justice" on Court TV instead.

[MrSlayer]

5. The Sopranos are quite overrated in my opinion.

Started out good then there were some bad seasons and then last year was just "o.k". Deadwood, Rome, Carnivale and Oz all are far superior.

[AlCzervik]

6. i love the Sopranos.

[MnFats]

14. me too. it's great television. and as for glorifying violence, etc...

...they always get their commupance. They suffer. Almost always. keep watching a while.

[AlCzervik]

17. exactly.

[HarukaTheTrophyWife]

7. "slut?"

Nice.

[UTUSN]

16. ...

[HarukaTheTrophyWife]

20. It's offensive to call women sluts.

Pretty simple, really.

[Name removed]

25. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[GirlinContempt]

37. Huh?

[UTUSN]

41. Ah, you're BACK!!1 from t'OTHER time!!1 What took you so long? Invitation missing??!!1 n/t

[GirlinContempt]

42. Huh?

[HarukaTheTrophyWife]

44. Dig your hole deeper, dude.

Slut is a derogatory term for a "promiscuous" woman. Get that? Derogatory. And if a woman is married, she probably couldn't be smeared as a "slut" anyway.

Honestly, I don't care if you ironed for your mother. Big deal. You still use derogatory terms for women.

BTW, you are the one doing the flame responses here. You enjoy excessive capitalization, don't you? You do know that mean internet yelling, right?

Just checking.

[Madspirit]

68. Haruka objected to "slut" and so you flamed her?!?!

What's with that? Ranting at her? She was calm and didn't flame you. You threw the flame word around while doing it. That's rich.
Lee

[LostinVA]

102. Yup, answering a post with paragraphs full of personal attacks

Just like what happened to Starbucks Anarchist up thread.

I'm amazed that these posts haven't been deleted.

[LostinVA]

101. Lots of personal attack ks in this post -- breaking DU rules

[ScreamingMeemie]

8. I've never seen it.

:shrug: We don't have premium channels.

[AlCzervik]

9. it is really good and while some may think it glamorizes the mob i don't, after seeing

every episode the last thing i would ever want to be is mobbed up or in a relationship with someone in the mob, it really shows the brutality and it's far from glamorous.

[LostinVA]

103. I don't think it glamorizes the Mafia, either

Nor do I think any of the Godfathers, Goodfellas, Donnie Brasco, the Departed, etc. do. I think ALL of these movies and TV shows do present mobsters ands their families as three-dimensional characters/real people -- which they are. BUt, I also think they all show the life in THis Thing of Ours as dirty, criminal, and often desperate.

[UTUSN]

12. I' don't have premium either. It's on basic cable now. Now help me with the PC post (above). n/t

[HarukaTheTrophyWife]

22. MrsG, somebody needs your help being "PC."

You're one of those "PC" people, aren't you?

:eyes:

[ScreamingMeemie]

23. I see that...

I fear there is no hope for someone who posts a bunny pancake picture to your response. I totally missed the last part because I only really responded to the "I'm the last person" assumption. Otherwise I'm just as "PC" I guess. Shame on us.

[HarukaTheTrophyWife]

24. We're clearly horrible people.

[UTUSN]

30. Oh, I had fond hope, but I remember how supportive you've always been to my flamers n/t

[HarukaTheTrophyWife]

45. Who are your flamers?

Posters who believe in equal human rights? That's who MrsG always supports.

:shrug:

[Starbucks Anarchist]

46. Those no-caps-having bastards.

:rofl: :hi:

[HarukaTheTrophyWife]

47. Why DON'T you type like THIS?!!1 It MAKES you TOTALLY smarter!!1

People LISTEN more when WORDS are randomly CAPITALIZED!!1

:rofl:

[Starbucks Anarchist]

48. WHAT>?!?!111 No WAY!!!111 ~~``~

:rofl:

[HarukaTheTrophyWife]

50. SERIESLY!!1!!1!~~~!1!!~!

IT MAKES U BRILLIENTT!!!1

[Starbucks Anarchist]

53. CAST the ASPARAGUS!!!!!111!!11

:rofl:

[HarukaTheTrophyWife]

60. DON'T cast ASPARAGUS on ME!!!1!!1!!1!!!1!

It's AN unseemly JESTER!!!!!111!!!!!!1

[Starbucks Anarchist]

62. I HAVE no SEMPITHY FOR you!!!!!1111!!!!!!1

[HarukaTheTrophyWife]

63. Of course not, I've got a woman in bed next to me, right now.

:rofl:

[Starbucks Anarchist]

65. Showoff.

:rofl:

[LostinVA]

106. With a case of EVOO, to boot

[UTUSN]

52. Who's that who O.J. is always/still tirelessly searching for? n/t

[HarukaTheTrophyWife]

59. I thought you were going to bed.

Good night.

[cboy4]

79. I think it's funny when people decide they have to go to bed when

they're losing an argument. LOL!!

[ScreamingMeemie]

93. Your flamers??

Huh?

[LostinVA]

105. MrsG is a STRONG advocate for civil rights and all human rights

[LostinVA]

104. You PC people from Michigan just slay me

Hehhehehehhehehe

:pals:

[BuelahWitch]

10. I've never seen it

Don't have HBO and have never gotten the DVDs. :hi:

[snacker]

33. Me neither. n/t

[greatauntoftriplets]

11. I've never seen it either....

Nor did I like The Godfather.

[Left Is Write]

13. I have never seen it.

[mentalsolstice]

15. It's the only reason why we subscribe to HBO

Several years ago my SO and I were snowbound in a cabin, and oddly enough, the only thing that came in loud 'n clear was HBO. Interestingly enough, they were having an all "Sopranos" weekend. Well, we also didn't have much heat or food, but plenty of quilts and booze. We were hooked! We came home and immediately upped our account to include HBO (and also got hooked on "Sex and the City" and "Six Feet Under"). We're not really hooked on anything now, just waiting for the last season of "Sopranos". We may ratchet down our subscription back to basic TV after it ends.

[UTUSN]

19. Sex/City is fantastic & NOT for the "easy" reason!!1 & the OPERA on Sopranos right now

is ABSOLUTELY SUBLIME!!1 But am checking out, and will have a nightcap to the BeeGees (Run to Me). Night, all.

[mentalsolstice]

32. Sex and the City...& OZ

Was definitely the bonus. Although married when it was on, I totally identified with it. My second date with my spouse was my 30th birthday...we dated for three years...lived together for three years...and married for ten years. I was 29 when we met, now
I'm 46. He was 43, now he's 60. OMG!

[UTUSN]

35. I love it for the RELATIONSHIP dissection, not that I can IDENTIFY with it all.

Oh, ZEUS!!1 The opera soundtrack on the Sops is at it again-------SUBLIME!!1

[mentalsolstice]

55. Most of my girlfriends are single

so there is a little identification there. And the "Sopranos"...oh the "Sopranos"! There will never be anything like it again on TV.

[Starbucks Anarchist]

57. Have you seen The Wire?

Brilliant, and even better than the Sopranos, IMO.

[mentalsolstice]

64. No, we refrained

However, we did the whole "OZ" series.

[Starbucks Anarchist]

69. You should check it out if you can.

Amazing, amazing show.

[mentalsolstice]

74. I would like to!

We're really looking for a reason to cut off HBO after the "Sopranos". It would save $10 per month. But I would like to see "Wired"...maybe if they showed it on another cable channel.

[Starbucks Anarchist]

77. I've been watching it on DVD from the first season.

If you have Netflix, that's a great use for it. :D

[mentalsolstice]

80. Or...

...I could leave my SO for a couple of days...fly up, and cuddle up, and watch dvds with ya!

[Starbucks Anarchist]

81. LOL!

:toast:

[mentalsolstice]

86. Yep, let's go with understanding!

BTW, have you watched "Dirt" (FX)? My aunt turned me onto it a couple of weeks ago











1

[Starbucks Anarchist]

87. Haven't seen it.

[LostinVA]

107. SA is right -- "The Wire" is very good

As is "Rome."

[hippywife]

18. Never seen it, either. Not planning on it.

TV just doesn't enthuse me at all.

[Lady Effingbroke]

29. I've never seen the Sopranos.

Nor have I seen American Idol, Fear Factor, Survivor, Lost, The Amazing Race, Gray's Anatomy, Cooking on Ice With the Stars, or any number of other shows.

From your description, I'm not missing much!

[philosophie_en_rose]

36. I just don't like it.

:shrug:

I do like the show Dexter (about a serial killer that only kills other serial killers), so my objection isn't that the show shows that murderers can be complicated.

But I think the Sopranos is utterly boring and insipid.

[Madspirit]

84. Dexter!!

Yes. I love Dexter. It's my new favorite show.
Lee

[philosophie_en_rose]

85. There's apparently a book too.

Except the end is different.

[Madspirit]

89. More Than One

Jeff Lindsay is the author. The first two books are "Darkly Dreaming Dexter" and "Dearly Devoted Dexter" and a third is due this year.
Lindsay loves the show just btw. I always like it when an author loves the show based on his work.
Lee

[VenusRising]

92. I can't wait until "Dexter in the Dark" comes out!!

:woohoo:



:woohoo:

[momophile]

38. I've never seen it and am not interested - mobsters bore me

I don't have the time to think about what it would be like to be in or married to the mafia.

[fortyfeetunder]

40. I've never seen it either...don't think I missed anything.

I am not impressed with that type of drama...have not seen a one yet!

[Adenoid_Hynkel]

54. love the godfather, but find the sopranos derivitive and unoriginal

the mafia genre is played out.
hell, coppola ran out of ideas before he got to part III

i dont understand the appeal of this show at all

[GoddessOfGuinness]

71. I've never watched it, but I just heard some godawful song at the end of it...

Mr GoG was watching. I heard some ghastly wailing from the TV, and thought he was listening to a concert. I asked him who was singing, and if someone had put them out of their misery yet. He said he didn't know; but it was the end of the Sopranos.

[GalleryGod]

94. It was Bocelli

Your post speaks volumes.

[Dervill Crow]

82. I've still not seen it. Not interested. eom

[southerncrone]

83. Never watched it, too much hype, always seemed lame & sick

[Skittles]

88. no, I found it sickening

very awful

[VenusRising]

90. The singer was Andrea Bocelli.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrea_Bocelli

And the episode was about a trip to Italy. What would Italy be without it's famous operatic singers??

The "whining slut" was upset because her husband left her and went off to talk to the Feds with no warning. No one knew where he was and then he came back after thought to be dead for months. She was also dealing with the fact that the doctors found a lump under her arm, and her husband wasn't being loving and sympathetic. It was one woman talking to two other women in her "social circle" getting support. It's not unknown for these men to come up missing, and on top of her health issue where is she supposed to turn?

I'm not really sure how you can be underwhelmed by something you have admittedly never watched. You wouldn't know the story line or why anything was happening. There are people in the show who are not mass murderers or murderers at all. But you would actually have to watch the show to know that, though.

[GalleryGod]

96. The "Godawful "cd sold 45 million copies worlwide.

Who knew?

[JustABozoOnThisBus]

95. I haven't seen it, but

you're comparing it to Godfather 1-3? Maybe I should check it out.

[China_cat]

97. I've never seen it

nor any of the Godfather movies, Goodfellas or any of those. Just don't even like the premise.

[LostinVA]

100. Gosh, calling a woman a "slut" just because -- are you series??!!111

That's more offensive than any Mafia movie or TV show I've ever seen.

However, I'm half Sicilian and have relatives ion "waste management" in Philly, so I guess I'm offensive, too, eh Paesano?

[buddhamama]

108. Locking...

There have been numerous Rule violations throughout the course of this thread.

It has become a flamefest.
A review of the Rules is in order.

Sincerely,
buddhamama-DU Mod.