Charlie Hustle

[tk2kewl]

Poll question: Charlie Hustle

[eyepaddle]

1. Just kicking it until KitchenWitch can see it. NT

[tk2kewl]

2. and again

:kick:

[Phillycat]

3. Dude, he bet on baseball.

Never, ever.

[Richardo]

14. I'm with my pal janesez on this one.

Never.

[SKKY]

27. If he bet on baseball, I don'thave a problem with that...

...now if he bet against the Reds either while playing or managing, then I have a problem. Even his bookie said under oath that he never bet against the Reds. So, to me it's a no-brainer. You gotta have the hit king in the hall.

[madinmaryland]

4. Its been a while since Pete Rose has shown up in DU!!1!!

:popcorn:

Hall material or not. Greatest hitter ever?? At the minimum he is in the top five. Based on statistics he belongs in the Hall. He should never be allowed in any other way near the game.

[tk2kewl]

6. well... he's back in the news again you know

says he bet on the Reds

[madinmaryland]

11. I saw the interview with KO and Dan Patrick last night.

What a moran!! Great player, no brain!

[TSIAS]

5. Yep!

He may be a big ass , but he does have 4000 + hits!

[KG]

15. he did that before he was a betting man. he belongs for what did on the field.

[Shakespeare]

7. Fuck no.

Absolutely no fucking way.

[KG]

8. he belongs.

[bearfan454]

9. He bet on the baseball

No way.

[tk2kewl]

10. and the Reds apparently

[madinmaryland]

12. Bet on them every night. (TO WIN!!1!!)

Weren't the Reds during that time a .500 team?

[tk2kewl]

13. Every night

:eyes:

I'm not buying it

[Magrittes Pipe]

17. Everybody bets on baseball.

Dig:

1) What about all those players with incentive clauses in their contracts? You know, an extra $500,000 for an MVP?

Well, the (idiot) writers almost NEVER give an MVP award to a player for a losing team. Therefore, you'll only get that $500K if your team wins. You're betting on baseball.

2) Or $100,000 for an All-Star appearance?

The rules of the All-Star Game stipulate that every team must be represented by at least one player. Good teams will certainly be represented by more than one (after all, in order to be a good team, they need more than one good player). Your odds are MUCH better to make the All-Star Game if you play for a crappy team. If you have this clause in your contract, you're betting on your team TO LOSE.

3) World Series shares? This isn't even in a player contract, this is in the union deal. All players on WS teams get a bonus. Just by playing Major League baseball, you're betting on your team to win.

[Zavulon]

16. No fucking way. I'd sooner vote Republican than welcome that asshole to Cooperstown.

The fucker lied for 15 years to fans who mostly believed him, finally "confessed" during a book that was released just in time to overshadow the inductions of Dennis Eckersley and Paul Molitor, and now comes up with this horseshit? I don't believe a goddamn thing he says.

He accepted a lifetime ban. Fuck him.

Sorry about my French, but I swear to God that if I had a HOF vote, I'd sooner move to Virginia and vote for Macaca than vote to put Pete Rose in the Hall.

NO FUCKING WAY. :mad:

[Oeditpus Rex]

18. Oh, good — this bit again

Okay, in the first place, the Baseball Hall of Fame is not connected to Major League Baseball, so a ban from baseball does not automatically mean a ban from the Hall.

In the second place, you don't keep the guy with the most base hits of everybody who's ever played the game out of the Hall of Fame. But, I understand the emotion involved (don't agree with it, but I understand it), so I propose the Hall add or designate a wing or section as something like "Tainted Legends," to include guys like Rose as well as Joe Jackson, Eddie Cicotte and other worthy members of the 1919 Chicago White Sox. Their exhibits would include full disclosure of their "sins" along with their records.

[eyepaddle]

19. Wat it all boils down to is

what will the Baseball Writers Association of America think about him. The voting members I hear talk absolutley loathe Pete Rose, and therefore won't vote for him.

And that's it for that.

[Oeditpus Rex]

20. But shouldn't it at least get to that?

What if it were 2004 and the consensus was, "Everybody hates Bush, so let's not even allow him on the ballot"?

Yeah, we might like that, but it wouldn't be consistent with democracy.

[eyepaddle]

26. The guys I've heard talk about it

(Pat Reusse and Dan Barriero here in MN) seemed to imply that it was kind of up to them as to whether he would be on the ballot and they stated that they pretty much thought Rose could go take a flying leap and implied that they had a lot of company in the BWAA.

I've never paid the most attention to the hall of fame selection process so maybe their clout isn't as up on the front end as I thought it was, but if I had to make a prediction it is Pete Rose will never be in the Hall.

On a side note it is a real shame Bert Blyleven isn't making it in either, maybe this year....

[gmoney]

21. It is the ONLY deterrent left to hold over players...

Fines are meaningless to someone who makes $10Million a year, but when you wanna fuck with their legacy, they pay attention.

If these guys can start betting on games, every sport will sink to the level of WWF wrasslin. Zero integrity, and you might as well burn down the hall of fame.

[GOPisEvil]

22. The problem with Pete is that deep down, he thinks he didn't do anything wrong.

"OK, so I did bet, but I only bet on my team."

So? What about the days you DIDN'T bet on your team? Isn't that the same thing as betting against them? According to his bookie and the Dowd Report he bet on probably 50 games per season. For example he wouldn't bet when Mario Soto or Bill Gullickson were on the mound.

The time for Pete to have repaired his image was at least 15 years ago.

[6000eliot]

23. If you make exceptions, then you might as well not have the rule.

[SteppingRazor]

24. Sure he should be in the hall.

More hits than anyone. Ever. You can't argue with that.

That said, the Halls bylaws state that anyone banned from baseball is ineligible for the Hall, so it's a moot point until he's taken off baseball's banned list.

[Blue-Jay]

25. In.

[Oeditpus Rex]

28. Okay, let's do this

I know, I know — a lot of this stuff isn't against the rules of baseball. But this is also about penalizing a ballplayer for what he did off the field. Therefore, I shall list some names of Hall of Famers I know to have some skeletons in their own closets, then pose the question: If you're gonna keep Rose out, should these guys be removed?

Grover Cleveland Alexander — alcoholic.

Cap Anson — racist.

Ty Cobb — racist, wife-beater, all-around pathologic asshole who not only bet on games but conspired with Dutch Leonard to throw a few, though it was scrubbed because he had the goods on then-American League president Ban Johnson, who was no choir boy himself.

Charles Comiskey — tyrant as an owner. The basis of the "Black Sox scandal" was that he paid his players far below the league average and also denied them other standards such as decent hotel accommodations on the road. First baseman Chick Gandil let big-time gambler Sport Sullivan know the Sox could be bought for the Series as retaliation for Comiskey's penny-pinching. (And, while we're on this subject, why was Buck Weaver banned from baseball? He accepted no money and there's no evidence that he did anything to throw the Series, but the case against him was that he knew of the fix and didn't tell anyone.)

Whitey Ford — scuffed, cut and otherwise altered baseballs (with help from his primary catcher, Elston Howard), which is against the rules.

Ford Frick — as Commissioner of Baseball, stuck the asterisk on Roger Maris' single-season home run record (since rescinded) for personal reasons (he ghost-wrote "Babe Ruth's Own Book of Baseball").

Hughie Jennings — alcoholic.

Mickey Mantle — alcoholic.

Juan Marichal — once busted open Dodger catcher Johnny Roseboro's head with a bat.

Gaylord Perry — admittedly threw the spitter, which is against the rules.

Cum Posey — his name could harm kids. :D

Don Sutton — see Perry.

Rube Waddell — known to leave a game he was pitching to chase fire engines.