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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-17-07 02:57 PM
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Has anyone here ever read Little Women?
Edited on Sat Mar-17-07 03:02 PM by sfexpat2000
I was chatting about this book on Viva's BookTv thread and suddenly wondered how geeky I was.




Alcott also wrote bodice rippers but most people don't seem to know that.


Anyone here read Little Women or any of the others and still pissed that Jo turned Laurie down? It was actually a series, and she had two others, An Old Fashioned Girl (Polly) and Eight Cousins (Rose).

:shrug:


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BarenakedLady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-17-07 03:05 PM
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1. Sure I've read it
It was one of my favorites as a youngster.

I liked the Katharine Hepburn version the best of the all film adaptations. She was a natural Jo.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-17-07 03:15 PM
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3. That was about the best casting decision ever.
lol
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Goblinmonger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-17-07 03:07 PM
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2. I've read it
but I'm a high school English teacher so I don't know if that helps you in the "you're geeky" area. I didn't like it very much, but that is more a product of the era from which it comes than anything else.

Was the premise for a pretty good Friends episode, too.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-17-07 03:17 PM
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4. Little Women is a little like Paradise Lost because there is everything
Edited on Sat Mar-17-07 03:17 PM by sfexpat2000
in it.

Did you notice the war in it? It was very much in the background but without the war, there would have been no book, no Mom dealing on her own with her kids. :shrug:

/oops
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Goblinmonger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-17-07 03:21 PM
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5. The war is a great minor character.
I think the story is very compelling and tightly written. I'm just not a fan of the latter American romanticism (though this book is arguably from the Realism period). It's better than most novels just doesn't make it into my top elite novels.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-17-07 03:54 PM
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13. I think what resonated for me, even as young as I was when I first read it
Edited on Sat Mar-17-07 03:54 PM by sfexpat2000
was that these women took on everything that came their way. A really different message than the women screaming "Mouse!" from tabletops in the 1960s mass media. It was a "choose your team" kind of reading moment for me, I suppose. It was nice to have a choice. :)
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cmkramer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-17-07 05:28 PM
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31. I've read it many times along with both its sequels
The NEW YORK TIMES BOOK REVIEW did an article about it some years ago where they pointed out that the March sisters each represented a different archetype of the "ideal woman" of the time. Meg was the "Domestic Goddess" - the wife and mother, Jo was the "independent woman", Beth was the "Angel Unaware" - the sweet innocent good girl who dies young - and Amy was "Lady Bountiful" - the rich generous benefactor who uses her money and position to help others. Incidentally, if you make it to the third book, JO's BOYS, there's a reference in it to them going to Wyoming to vote in the election.

I think Jo rejected Laurie because she knew at the end of the day, they would not be a good life match. Because of his position in life, he was going to need a wife who cared about things like dressing well and the intricacies of paying calls and being charming to everyone. Jo was too outspoken and impulsive for that.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-17-07 07:31 PM
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42. I'm going to have to read "Jo's Boys" again because
I definitely didn't catch that.

She took the domestic frame and put everything in it.
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CBHagman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-17-07 07:21 PM
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39. Culturally speaking, it's very rich.
Biblical, historical, mythological, and literary references abound. How many novels have you read that make mention of German literature, Restoration comedy, Shakespeare, and John Bunyan?

I loved Amy's malapropisms, by the way, while they lasted.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-17-07 07:28 PM
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41. I knew they were funny but too young to know why exactly
the first five times I read them. :)
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nosillies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-17-07 03:28 PM
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6. I got my name from this book!
But honestly, I never really enjoyed it when I was younger -- I'm glad I re-read it when I was a bit older and could appreciate it more.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-17-07 03:39 PM
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8. It's very mannered and ornate and you want to pull your hair out
when the coolest woman in the book turns down the coolest guy, lol!

It's sort of like reading in a different language. But, when you think about it, it takes up topics hot novels don't -- like women's health and like poverty and what it's like to be in a real family whose last name isn't Brady.

:)
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Rising Phoenix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-17-07 04:55 PM
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25. So did I!
first and middle name. I've read the book proabably 100 times... I love it...but, and this may be an unpopular opinion, I like Laurie with Amy.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-17-07 07:17 PM
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36. Why? I eventually did but man, that chapter I started over again
because I couldn't believe what I was reading. lol
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Rising Phoenix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-18-07 12:25 PM
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51. they just seemed to go well together
and I got the feeling Amy loved Laurie in a way that Jo never would....even from when she was little
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MichiganVote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-17-07 03:38 PM
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7. Age 10. Good at the time. But I liked a Tree Grows in Brooklyn better
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-17-07 03:40 PM
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9. I've never read that. Overdue.
:)
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MichiganVote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-17-07 03:45 PM
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12. For pure whimsy read Wind in the Willows
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La Lioness Priyanka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-17-07 03:40 PM
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10. yes. i read all of may alcotts books as a child.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-17-07 03:43 PM
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11. I forced my mom to find them all for me and took them in lieu
of an allowance.

Who knew women could be writers. I'd thought we were supposed to clean and smile all the time. :wow:
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nykiera Donating Member (332 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-17-07 03:54 PM
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14. Read it.
And then read "Little Men" and "Jo's Boys". Along with many other Alcott books. ("Jack & Jill", "Under the Lilacs", "Eight Cousins, etc.)
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-17-07 03:55 PM
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15. I forgot all about "Jack and Jill".
:)
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tigereye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-17-07 03:57 PM
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16. I would hope that it is still read and enjoyed as a classic
the question might be, who hasn't read it!
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-17-07 03:59 PM
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17. I don't think my nieces have --- three of them, 7 to 13.
They seem to get a steady Disney diet.

Hmmm. :evilgrin:
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tigereye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-17-07 04:26 PM
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21. the movie version of LW was actually pretty good
my kid likes Disney too, or did, but we also push the classics. :hi:
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-17-07 04:15 PM
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18. BTW, can we rec Viva's BookTv thread? (link). Maybe a lot of people
are out dressed up as pink Statues of Liberty or something this weekend. :)

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=432864&mesg_id=432864
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peacefreak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-17-07 04:17 PM
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19. Good Lord. Read it?
I took to the attic like Jo. I hold her personally responsible for my mis-spent life surrounded by books!:-)
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-17-07 04:26 PM
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22. LOL!
Me, too!

:rofl:
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WritingIsMyReligion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-17-07 04:17 PM
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20. I've read it so much that I can quote whole paragraphs from it.
The same is true for the two sequels, Little Men and Jo's Boys.

Laurie and Jo were the best. Meg always pissed me off. :P
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-17-07 04:27 PM
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23. Well, she got her's over that whole coat thing.
:P
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tigereye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-17-07 04:29 PM
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24. you give us hope for the future WIMR!
:hi:
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nosillies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-17-07 05:13 PM
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27. Meg was a little shit.
And though I was named for Amy, I always wanted to be Jo.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-17-07 07:15 PM
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35. Amy was cool. She liked nice things, big deal. She painted
even when no one took her seriously AND she snagged Laurie. :)
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GoddessOfGuinness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-17-07 05:08 PM
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26. I was somewhat obsessed with it as a girl, because
my birthday is the same as Louisa Alcott's. I've not read her racier stuff, which I only learned about in recent years; but I'd be interested in checking it out. Apparently she covered topics like cross-dressing and transgenderism. It seems she was quite the liberated woman!
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-17-07 07:12 PM
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32. I used to confuse my mom's birthday with her's. Paging Dr. Freud.
lol
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Shine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-17-07 05:14 PM
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28. Yes, I read it when I was a young girl. I cried.
:hi:
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reyd reid reed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-17-07 05:17 PM
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29. I read it...
the first time, back when I was in elementary school. I've read it a couple of times since then...I've got my mother's copy of it.

:hi:
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-17-07 07:13 PM
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33. I think that's amazing because there's so much of it
that refers to stuff no one reads reyds reids any more. :hi:
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reyd reid reed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-17-07 07:20 PM
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37. ....
:rofl::rofl::rofl:

:hi:

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bridgit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-17-07 05:17 PM
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30. oh yes: Anne of Green Gables, Nancy Drew, the whole nine before...The Russians...
:scared:
:hi:
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-17-07 07:14 PM
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34. Glad to hear it, lol! Russians? Where they related to
The Five Little Peppers?

lol
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bridgit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-17-07 07:55 PM
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44. well; Dostoevsky, Tolstoy, etc = the yada-yada Russian guys...
:dunce: :thumbsup:
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-17-07 09:32 PM
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47. Oh, those Russian guys.
lol
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-18-07 12:29 PM
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52. Do you remember "The Bobbsey Twins" series?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bobbsey_Twins

I had the whole set and read it furiously, under the covers, with a flashlight. ;)
One day, I came home from school, and my books were gone. Never found out why.
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bridgit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-18-07 12:34 PM
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53. oh lord yes, Nan & Bert, Freddy & Flossie...
:hi:
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davsand Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-18-07 12:59 PM
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56. Robin Kane and also the Trixie Belden mystery series too.
Edited on Sun Mar-18-07 01:01 PM by davsand
I loved the Nancy Drew books and spent a summer reading them all. After I got done with those my Mom got me some of the the other mystery series that were out there at the time.

Now, if it was Material Girl, I'd probably start her on that mystery series with the cats that solve the crimes (isn't that Rita Mae Brown writing those?)


Laura

added on edit: I did read Little Women, Little Men and Jo's Boys. Forgto to mention that before now!
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-19-07 03:30 PM
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61. The Trixie Belden series was great. I loved that one and it was hard
to find. :thumbsup:
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CaliforniaPeggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-17-07 07:20 PM
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38. My dear sfexpat!
I've read all of them, over and over and over....

I loved them!

And when I grew up, I discovered the bodice ripper stories.......

And loved those as well!

She was a hell of a woman, and a hell of a writer.....

Moral pap for the young...

That was her phrase for those early stories!

:bounce: :bounce:
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-17-07 07:26 PM
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40. LOL! I didn't know that.
How she managed to do all of that, wow. :hi:
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WolverineDG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-17-07 07:35 PM
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43. I read it when I was an adult
Edited on Sat Mar-17-07 07:36 PM by WolverineDG
I was surprised to discover how "feminist" it was. Another book full of strong women (white & black) is "Gone With the Wind."

And yes, I wanted to smack Jo with the Stupid Stick for turning down Laurie.

dg

ps. I've always thought that the drawing of Amy on that book cover looks like Judy Garland.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-17-07 09:32 PM
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46. I've read it so many times, they all feel like my family.
And, I have no sisters, lol. :)
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fishwax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-17-07 08:56 PM
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45. I've read it. I like her underground gothic novels MUCH better
Behind a Mask is a great tale :)

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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-17-07 09:34 PM
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48. And remember that whole chapter in LW about Jo writing
"sensational" fiction? That always cracks me up.
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fishwax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-18-07 12:21 PM
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49. Ha!
Yeah, that's really funny once you learn the truth about Alcott's career. :)
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-18-07 12:24 PM
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50. It was 'Required Reading" when
I was in either 8th or 9th grade!

Can't say I remember a lot about the story.
Civil War; Concord, MA.; life back then and outspoken women! :)

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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-19-07 03:26 PM
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59. Kickass women.
And, they were funny, too. :)
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crim son Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-18-07 12:44 PM
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54. Many, many times as a young person.
I have three sisters and used to try to imagine which one of us corresponded to which character.
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Katina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-18-07 12:47 PM
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55. I loved little women
one of my favorite books growing up.
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Missy Vixen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-18-07 03:56 PM
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57. I still love "Little Women"
What a great, great book.

Julie
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-19-07 03:28 PM
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60. One thing that haunts me is that by all accounts, Bronson Alcott
Edited on Mon Mar-19-07 03:42 PM by sfexpat2000
was something of an authoritarian. And LMA went so far out of her way to present all his best qualities and to soften the other. Labor of love, in spades. :)

/oops
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Arugula Latte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-18-07 03:57 PM
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58. Oh yes. A couple times.
But it's been a couple decades, I believe ...
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-19-07 03:33 PM
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62. I think I read that book every year between the ages of 4 and 13.
Edited on Mon Mar-19-07 03:33 PM by sfexpat2000
I used to know whole passages by heart. It's funny, it was probably the book that opened MSM for me because I was learning English at the same time between 4 - 7, was the first kid born here and there were no books in English in our home that I didn't bring home from a library. Except my mom's Ian Flemings. lol
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Blue_In_AK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-19-07 03:50 PM
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63. Of course...
Edited on Mon Mar-19-07 03:54 PM by Blue_In_AK
And Little Men, the other one about Jo (I can't remember the name now), Eight Cousins, Rose in Bloom and about everything else Louisa May wrote. Those books were very comforting to me as a child.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-19-07 04:05 PM
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64. Me, too. And for me it was because of the sense of family
more than the overt or even subtle religious/spiritual tones. It was "Jo's Boys". :)
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Blue_In_AK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-19-07 04:22 PM
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65. That's it exactly, the sense of family.
Edited on Mon Mar-19-07 04:23 PM by Blue_In_AK
I think I've mentioned here before that my older brother and mother were killed in separate accidents when I was seven and eight. After my mother was killed I was alone and staying with my grandparents for several months while my dad and other brother were recuperating in the hospital. Somebody gave me Eight Cousins to read, and I read it over and over, because Rose was an orphan, too, and yet her life went on. Back then we had to take naps in the afternoon because of the polio scare, and I used to curl up in my bed and lose myself in the stories.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-19-07 04:27 PM
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66. Those naptimes probably produced more English teachers than
any college. :)
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Blue_In_AK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-19-07 04:46 PM
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67. That's probably true.
Are you of the age to have been caught up in that whole afternoon nap phenomenon? The younger people can't fully understand how terrified our parents were of polio -- I thought it was ridiculous at the time when I was six and seven that I had to lay down in the afternoon, but I can still remember my mother saying, "You don't want to get polio, do you? You don't have to sleep, just go rest quietly."
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-19-07 04:50 PM
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68. I didn't know it was about polio. I thought it was about childhood.
'55 baby here. And, my kids took naps, too -- maybe because *I* needed one. lol
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Blue_In_AK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-19-07 05:09 PM
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69. I'm a little older than you...
Edited on Mon Mar-19-07 05:12 PM by Blue_In_AK
I was born in '46. The late '40s, early '50s, I think is when the biggest polio scare was. In fact, I had an aunt who contracted it in 1952 or '53 and almost died. We had been to visit her in Florida. The day we left she felt like she was coming down with the flu, and by the time we drove back up to Ohio, they called and said she was in the hospital in an iron lung and wasn't expected to live through the night. The Salk vaccine was brand-new then, was still in the trial stage I think, but my parents took us to the doctor in the middle of the night to get the shot in the hope that it would protect us. None of us got it, and my aunt went on to make a "miraculous" recovery that was written up in a huge story in her hometown paper in Bradenton, Florida. The only lasting effect was the tracheotomy scar.
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rhiannon55 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-19-07 05:25 PM
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70. I read it over and over when I was a child
and cried EVERY time I read Beth's death scene.

I, too wanted to be Jo.
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