Now, I'm pro-body-mod, but this is just RIDICULOUS... Warning: DISTURBING image!

[BreweryYardRat]

How the hell is he supposed to get a job?




Also, anyone have suggestions on how to coax parents around regarding tattoos? I'm of legal age, and I want to start getting tattoos on my torso, but my dad has said he'll kick me out of the house if I get a tattoo while I'm still living with him.

[Deja Q]

1. Whenever I put up a semi-disturbing pic, I'm asked to put up a disclaimer.

:wow:

Let 'em do what they want. If they can't get through a metal detector, I'm not the jerk for setting it up. :D

Well, he may not get a job but I'm sure he'll get laid. :eyes:

[BreweryYardRat]

3. Will do, my friend.

[HarukaTheTrophyWife]

6. I have more piercings than that. No facial tattoos though, because I'm not nuts.

In any case, I can get through a metal detector, much to the shock of my parents.

[dysfunctional press]

19. he may get laid...but by who or what?

nt

[Miss_Strawberry]

2. As they say in the business....

hand tats are job stoppers, face/neck tats are life stoppers....

[ThomCat]

4. I recently met a guy in who was

more covered than this guy. He is a musician and didn't think the (mostly) blue and red motley designs across his entire exposed face would harm his chances of making a living. Perhaps he's right. :shrug:

You definitely have to be hard core within a subculture to be that modified without some serious consequences.

[ikojo]

29. My niece's boyfriend has tattoos on his chin and neck

But then again he is a tattoo artist who is studying graphic art. I don't think he'll have a problem feeding himself.

This guy...maybe he has a trust fund or is a tattoo artist as well.

[wildhorses]

5. this person must really hate himself

to do such a thing...

[WindRavenX]

9. sigh

:eyes:

I'm sometimes suprised at the judgemental 'tude towards body mods. I'd hire him. Who cares what he looks like, so long as he does his job? :shrug:

[wildhorses]

11. did i say that i wouldn't hire him??????

:eyes:

[WindRavenX]

13. Ok, when someone says "that person must hate himself"

How on earth is that not a negative and judgemental attitude toward him?

[sammythecat]

37. when someone does this to their face

how can they not expect negative and judgmental attitudes?

They say don't judge a book by it's cover, but try as we might, we all do just that to some extent. We make judgments all the time like that. We glance around a bar and make snap judgments based on appearance. They may be temporary, but they're judgments nonetheless. We simply can't help ourselves in this regard.

Some judgments will lean toward the negative and some toward the positive.

[WindRavenX]

41. It still doesn't make it right

To me, it's just fear and misunderstanding of someone who choses to do that to themself. There will always be assholes who do it just to "do" it for the sake of getting a rile out of others, but I know many people who have done extreme body modification because they felt it made them feel more like how they see themselves. And I can't and won't judge that.

[sammythecat]

44. They will be judged.

All the time. Every day they meet someone new.

Just like we all are.

Some of us are a little harder to read than others but we get read.

I think all strangers are judged. And the first thing judged is their appearance. Doesn't mean the judgment is final by any means, but it is the first impression and it is important most of the time.

[WindRavenX]

45. oh mos def we're all judged

But, I think we often times project our own values onto people based on their appearance. And that just isn't cool in my book.

I just didn't think people would be so harsh on this guy. I know lots of people who have very serious facial piercings and tattoos, and while I know this particular instance is a very far extreme I know they're *all* judged--which makes it more infuriating to me because they're my friend and are really amazing people.

Even with my own tattoos, I'm judged, and it pisses the shit out of me. My body work is sacred to me I can't imagine what it's like to be him.

[sammythecat]

53. I agree with you 100% that it isn't cool

I just mean that it will happen and I'm afraid it won't stop. People who know him will know him for who he is whether he's cool or an ass, but strangers will judge and most often negatively.

I understand your frustration. Really. Not exactly, but I can imagine.

I'm a 56 yr old long hair. Strangers I know are often suspicious. I don't look very square and stable.

[TommyO]

84. I don't have any ink or piercings

but you can bet that I get very judgmental looks when wearing my kilt and a pair of knee-high lace-up boots. There are always people that will judge others negatively, but it's their loss because they don't get to know the person that you, I, and others really are.

[xmas74]

93. You get looks for wearing a kilt and lace up boots?

The only looks I can think of would be from myself, my my best friend and my friend Mike-and those would be looks of lust.

We all love kilts.

[LynneSin]

74. Here's my 2 cents

I try to not judge a book by his cover.

But this guy purposively put a cover on his book that basically says "Stay away from me, I'm trouble and I hate society"

[Midlodemocrat]

27. C'mon, the guy looks like an absolute freak.

He needs to be in a rubber room. Piercings and tattoos are one thing, this guy is a major freak.

[WindRavenX]

34. oh horseshit

I completely, utterly reject your labeling him as a freak.

Jesus christ. I can't believe people judge people how they look.

[Midlodemocrat]

63. Reject away, baby.

I'll tell you one thing. He'll be hard pressed to get a job over minimum wage looking like that.

He's a FREAK.

[Maddy McCall]

73. He can always join the Army.

Oops. Never mind.

:hi:

[Scooter24]

35. It would depend on what his expertise is in...

I have 4 employees, and as much as I respect his decision to do what he wants to his body, I wouldn't hire him.

Appearance means a lot in today's world. And in my line of work, my clients expect it. How could I expect my clients to entrust me with $50,000 of their money when I have someone looking like that on my staff?

[WindRavenX]

43. I didn't realize how you look impacted your ability to do your job

NT

[Scooter24]

46. Well in a utopian society, I'm sure that might be true...

However, as a professional event planner, myself and my staff have to interact with clients and vendors all around the country and in person where people might not see the same potential in him as I or my staff would because of his appearance.

I'm not saying that there aren't jobs for him, I'm just saying that his choice of jobs has become very limited by his choice to do that to himself.

[WindRavenX]

48. but isn't that a reflection of society?

I mean, why tolerate it? Why not educate people?


I just don't get it. I guess I'm the only person who thinks this is, in the grand scheme of things, a non-issue :shrug:

[TX-RAT]

92. They can sure keep you from getting a job.

I wouldn't even interview him, I'd send him packing. He's putting these handicaps on himself, and will suffer from it.

[Quantess]

99. Sometimes it does. And not just a little bit, if you're talking about face tattoos.

Those would be jobs where you have to interact with people face-to-face, and you have to maintain an at least somewhat "professional appearance". That's maybe...how many...at least 33% to 50% of all jobs. Maybe more.
Face tattoos, I don't understand. 99.9% of the population doesn't understand why someone would tattoo their face, and probably don't want to, either.
As I stated before, I have several tattoos. I just chose to get them in places that are usually covered with clothing, a decision which has been invaluable to me. I was a speech pathologist until recently (no, the career change had nothing to do with my tattoos). Most people I meet have no idea I have been tattooed, and maybe will never know, which is fine with me.

Anyway, I would still treat the person with a face/neck tattoo the same as anyone else until I got to know them, at least, I would try to. For the guy in the photo, I would have to try really hard!

edited for clarification.

[Nicole]

36. You might hire him but

would your customers want him waiting on them? That's a whole different story. Fact is a lot of people who would care what he looks like won't stick around long enough to see if he can do the job.

[WindRavenX]

42. And that's a poor reflection on society

Probably the same people who would feel uncomfortable around this guy are the same people who think people who underwent a sex-change operation are freaks as well.

The judgment towards an unknown "other" is still disturbing and I refuse to enable others' insecurity and irrational fears.

But hey, I'm just one person.

[Nicole]

47. Yes it is.

However it is a fact of life.

[WindRavenX]

50. whenever someone says that...

...it's, no disrespect intended to you, a cop-out. People have used that excuse for everything under the sun.

[Nicole]

56. That's true too.

However cop outs are a fact of life also. I'm not saying it's right, I'm just saying it is.

I had to dye my hair a "more natural" color & "tone down" the eye makeup in a previous job. It didn't change the way I did my job but it allowed me to keep my job.

[krispos42]

61. He is advertising what he is in to

And he apparently has some sort of strong skull fetish thing going on. And skulls require something to die. There is a reason that a skull and crossbones is a warning for death.

His skull fetish is his own business, but that doesn't mean I'm required to feel comfortable in his presence, not when he is very very interested in human death as an object of idoltry.

Having said that, there is no reason that he could not get a job, but he is limiting the types of jobs he can get. McDonald's? No. Factory worker? Yes.

Like it or not, we humans make broad determinations about a person visually. A vast majority of the people we interact with we only have superficial contact with. Waiting in line at the local Subway. Riding a bus. Shopping at a store. And we generally know, based on appearance, some basic facts about the person. Profession, upbringing, likes, dislikes, etc. We all do it. It's part of our survival mechanism.

Since we are unlikely to meet this person in, um, person, we are all giving our reactions as if we walked past the guy on the street or were stuck behind him at Wendy's.

[hedgehog]

64. FActory worker or warehouse worker - I have to admit I wouldn't want to

be with him on a second or third shift.

Face it, we're wired to judge on appearances; our standards of beauty start with what we judge to be good mating material. Exactrly what about this guy's appearnace screams "Good attitude, will show up for work daily and on time, gets along well with other people?"

[Roon]

89. I don't know if it's true or not

but someone once told me that you can get disability in Texas if you have a tat on your face. Just because no one will hire you.

[Quantess]

103. Just curious, how old are you?

You must be young.

[Pushed To The Left]

52. It really shouldn't make a difference, but he probably does face discrimination

I think people should be hired based on their qualifications. I would seriously support legislation to protect people with tattoos, piercings, etc. from job discrimination. However, people in America are still being discriminated against based on how they were born, so we still have a long way to go before all job discrimination is wiped out.

[XemaSab]

95. I don't agree

There's a difference between things totally out of your control (such as birth defects, race, or sexual orientation), things that you have some limited control over (such as weight or addiction), and things you have total control over (such as piercings and clothing).

If I showed up to a meeting with clients dressed like a clown, my boss would have some things to say to me after the meeting.

There's protected speech and then there's being dressed appropriately for the workplace. That includes freaky tattoos.

I would however say that if the dude wants to look like a jackass in his free time and it doesn't affect his job, THAT should be protected. :shrug:

[Pushed To The Left]

101. I feel differently about dress codes, because somebody who dresses professionally

on the job can very easily change his or her clothing at the end of the day. Tattoos are a little harder to remove! I can see how his tattoos might not be the best thing for somebody who meets with clients or customers, even though it wouldn't bother me if I were the customer. However, I think it would be unfair to discriminate against him if he applied for a job that he was qualified for based solely on his tattoos. However, I don't put it in the same category as race, sexual orientation, etc. Unfortunately, America still allows discrimination even in those areas.

I've been told that I look conservative, so you definitely can't always judge a book by its cover!:D

[XemaSab]

60. If you owned a business where you required your employees to deal with clients/customers,

would you feel worried that clients would judge him and the quality of his work negatively?

[neweurope]

91. I definitely wouldn't hire him!

Somebeody who does something like this must have serious problems with himself. And I wouldn't want to hire anybody with grave problems.

----------------------

Remember Fallujah

Bush to The Hague!

[cwydro]

85. Or he is saying desperately

LOOK AT ME!

I don't get it either WH.

I mean there is no way that guy could get a job as an EMT or in the medical profession, come on. If that is being judgmental then so be it. But it is realistic.

[wildhorses]

86. thanks cwydro

i really meant the comment in the nicest way possible...

you can see the sadness in his eyes....

the window to the soul

goes way beyond all the permanent makeup...

also, the fact that his personal hygeine is NOT the best...that is a 'sign' (to me anyway) that he does not 'care' about himself like he could...

but :wtf: do i know

maybe he lives in a world where it is halloween everyday:bounce:

[Quantess]

97. yikes! maybe not hate himself....

...but he must have a problem with his own face. Maybe he thinks his face was too boring before...? From what I can tell, he has beautiful eyes, and looks like a fairly good looking face. Makes you wonder about him. I might hire him once I got to know him, but I can definitely see HR putting his application in the circular file.

I have several tattoos on my body, in places that I can cover with clothing. That way I can be incognito. ;-)

[HarukaTheTrophyWife]

7. There's a good chance he works as a tattoo artist/piercer.

I hope so. He probably won't get another job, unless self-employed.

At least it's a very well-done facial tattoo.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

12. It would be sort of cool if he decides he wants to be a judge...

[ElboRuum]

8. Answer to your questions:

1. He's not. But that's presuming that he WANTS a job. My question would be how the hell is he supposed to get a date?

2. Move out. Problem solved. Not old enough? Wait until you are, THEN move out, and then get all the tats you want. Parents who are opposed to body art are, largely, intractable.

[HarukaTheTrophyWife]

10. BTW, a tattoo on your torso is easily hidden.

I got my first tattoo in HS. I hid it for two years. It's on my lower back.

[hickman]

14. I do live zits on a scull.

Absurd lives.

[Scarlett17]

15. My personal guideline for my tattoos: The Nana Rule

If I never saw that part of my Nana (grandma) then I can have a tattoo there. Then my grandkids won't have to see them when I'm old and get grossed out. The Nana Rule would probably also help you hide them from your dad. Keep your shirt on and he won't see them.

[BreweryYardRat]

16. I'm in Florida. Shirt-on is not always a good idea, given the summer heat/humidity.

[ironflange]

30. There's a problem with that rule

What about the nurses at the Home when it's tubby time? They're going to have plenty to chuckle at in 60-70 years.

[IntravenousDemilo]

55. There are going to be a lot of old men and women with saggy, wrinkly tats.

And it won't be pretty.

Of course, if one intends to die within the next, say, 20 years, one needn't concern oneself with that inconvenient truth.

[HarukaTheTrophyWife]

57. My opinion on that is...

my whole body is going to be saggy and wrinkly, not just my tats. Seriously, people talk about tattoos getting wrinkled like the rest of the body will be tight with saggy tattoos.

[Connonym]

66. the mental image of that cracks me up

Not you, of course, but the tight body with the only saggy bits being tattoos.

[philosophie_en_rose]

17. Certain make-up will cover those tattoos.

However, I highly doubt that anyone who would choose to get those tattoos would be deterred by the reaction of other people.

[RebelOne]

62. The make-up would have to be applied with a shovel to cover that. n/t

[philosophie_en_rose]

94. Not really.

There are foundations for people with rosacea that would easily cover that tattoo.

[dysfunctional press]

18. the answer is obvious-

get your own place, or if money is an issue- get a place with a/some roomate(s)- then you're free to get inked as much as you like.

[AlCzervik]

20. not my thing. After looking through a ton of pics at the site on that guys neck this pic

made me laugh.

[Sabriel]

21. What's with the ear things?

Needless to say, you don't see much of that here in central Wisconsin. Anyone here have that?

[AlCzervik]

22. the ear stretchers? It's body modification, they start small and progressively the stretchers

get larger in diameter. I don't why they do it, maybe it's for a tribal feel?

[Sabriel]

24. thanks for the info

I almost said something really old fartish, and then I realized I'm too young to start doing that yet.

I think.

[AlCzervik]

26. yeah i understand. Check out this guy.

i can only imagine what my father would say.

[Sabriel]

33. Holy Bat Brows, Batman! n/t

[seemunkee]

83. My son does

Along with a few other piercings.

[ScreamingMeemie]

23. Holy Cwap!

He needs to clean his ears.

[idgiehkt]

31. yes

the hygeine is even more disturbing than the tatoos :(

[Nicole]

39. EEEWWWWW!

I didn't even look that far, until you mentioned it. Thanks! :P

[jobycom]

25. Dunno, but that's impressive. As for you talking your parents into it,

don't bother. Wait until you move out. They are hoping you will "grow out of it" by then, so humor them.

Might ask if you can do henna until then, though. Just the opinion of someone so deathly afraid of needles he wouldn't get a tatt if he wanted one! :)

[ikojo]

28. If you are of age...then you could always move out

and then get your tattoo.

I have a niece who has several tattoos. Her dad wasn't happy. He told her he'd stop kvetching about them if she got one of the Chicago Cubs logo....she did, on her foot!

[qnr]

32. See? See? I TOLD you all that Coca-Cola was bad for you! n/t

[Nicole]

38. Different strokes for different folks.

I hope he still likes it in 20 years. I would imagine it would be hard to remove if he doesn't.

[IntravenousDemilo]

54. Yes, well...

...it's kind of like getting a permanent bolo-tie. That bolo might have looked cool back in the late '70s and you were 18, but it's now pretty well forgotten in the back of a drawer somewhere, that is, if you haven't long since thrown it out. An unadorned body never goes out of style.

[Nicole]

58. Exactly.

That's why I said I hoped he still likes it in 20 years. :)

[AlCzervik]

40. that site has some unbelievable tattoos, some really beautiful and some terrible

but it's an interesting place to look around.

[HarukaTheTrophyWife]

49. Some of mine are up there.

They publish everything sent in, so you will seen the total gamut of tattoos.

[izzybeans]

51. That dude stands in the corner of my anatomy class. I swear to King Diamond that its true.

Someone should have told this guy, "Pssst. It was just make up. Okay Buddy?"

[Evoman]

59. Meh..look at it this way. When society crashes, and we all have to roam the wastelands,

this guy will be either the king of a squad of a Wastleand gang, or the sidekick of the main boss of a motorcyle thug town. Not a bad set up.

[hedgehog]

65. It's one way to conceal the acne, although the OTC and

prescription meds could clear that up in no time at all!

[datasuspect]

67. the diagnosis dr. lexus would give him:

"don't wanna sound like a dick or nothing, but your chart says you're fucked up and your shit's all retarded."

[MadHound]

68. Well, the guy just limited his life choices

Many places will not hire him, many, many people will not want to associate or get into a relationship with him. Is this fair, no. But it is the reality of the matter. And the sad thing is that even if in ten or twenty years he wakes up to his poor choice and decides to get rid of the tat, he's still going to look freakish due to the scarring that occurrs taking it off.

Sad that he felt that he needed to express himself this way, there are so many other ways to do so without limiting your life.

[datasuspect]

69. he banished himself to the "kid's table" of life

there's at least 500 ways you can be "subversive" with a shirt and tie on.

[dropkickpa]

75. What says he WANTS to be hired by those places or

associate with those people, etc? Seriously, everyone is acting like his life is over because he won't ever get to be the head waiter at Denny's. Just because YOUR life would be unacceptably altered if you did something like that does not mean it will have the same impact on his life.

[MadHound]

76. You're right, I have no idea what he wants to do with his life

However he HAS limited his life choices. Like it or not, that's the way our society is. Hell, forty years out and only now has long hair and male ear piercings become acceptable as OK by the majority of people(and there is still a sizable minority that will never accept those things).

Something like this, well, that's a whole new kettle of fish. Most professions, especially dealing with people, won't want him. Like it or not, to the vast majority of people this guy looks freakily scary, and certainly not the person that most would want as their doctor, lawyer, or teaching their children.

Are there areas still open to him? Sure, tatoo artist, mechanic(and if he gets into serious bike modification he can make good money), all of those "edgy" professions. But quite frankly, like it or not, he has effectively excluded himself from most of the mainstream professions.

Look, I sympahtize, I had long hair and pierced ears, back in the day when it was considered scandalous. I realized that I was limiting myself at the time, but I didn't give a damn because I was young, dumb, thought that the world should adapt to me, etc. I know I lost several good jobs because of it also. I accepted that price and didn't regret it. But now I also realize that I would probably be a lot further ahead in the game if I hadn't chosen that route.

Sorry, but this guy simply can't expect that the world will adapt to him. Thus, he is limiting his life choices. Hopefully he's got some sort of plan to compensate for this, if not, he's going to have problems for a long while, perhaps lifelong. He may not like it, I didn't like it, you may not like it, but that is, in fact, the way society works. It's all cool to be subversive and alternative and scandalous, but realize that you're going to pay a price for it. That's simply the way society is:shrug:

[dropkickpa]

80. Believe me, i am more than aware

of the effect body mods can have on people. When I worked in my brother's shop, I (and they) actively worked to discourage people from getting facial tattoos. There were some people who we wouldn't try to talk out of it, but they were people we knew (friends) who already were where they wanted to be in life and they weren't going to be adversely affected by it.

The thing is, this kid may already HAVE a profession, he may already be where he wants to be in life. We only have a picture to go on, no bio. What I see is a kid who spend a shitload of money on a tattoo, which tells me he's getting the money from somewhere, and he's already got head and neck tattoos (bug on right side of his neck, spider-web tattooed in his ear) which leads me to believe that he is not totally unaware of what his choice means. No tattoo artist likes doing faces, they're difficult areas to tattoo, need constant touch-ups, and artists tend charge a shitload of money, both for the difficulty of the piece and as a deterrent. I've seen the deterrent factor one work many times,

Customer "Yo! I want a tattoo on my face of blah blah blah"
Artist "That's your face man, you will never be able to get a normal job with that and people will always treat you like a freak"
Customer "I don't care!"
lots and lots of back and forth, customer is dead set on getting it
Artist "Okay, that'll be $200"
Customer "WHAT?!?!?! Fuck that, it's not worth that much!" walks off and never gets facial tattoo.


There are a lot of people making the assumption that the kid is a stupid, no job havin fool (how'd he pay for it?). I am challenging the assumptions people are making. One of my brothers was established as an artist by the age of 22, that's pretty young, and 15 years later he has no change of heart in what he's doing, he loves it. And one of the funniest things in the world is that, even with all the tattoos, face too, the stereotypical scared-of-tattooed-person person is really not scared of him (little kids and little old ladies adore him). And he's smart as all hell.

[GirlinContempt]

70. I think it's kinda bizarre, but

I think the comments about this guys life, personality, attitude, acne, and feelings about himself are pretty disgusting.

But, I remember being told on DU that my 2 little piercings would stop me from getting a good job. While I had a good job. And have since moved on to an even better one.

[dropkickpa]

71. OMG!

skeery!!! :scared: He's never gonna get that job at McD's or as a wedding planner that he's been dreaming of!!! He must be obsessed with death and hate himself because he likes skulls, he's gonna go out and eat our childrens BRAAIIIINS!!! :sarcasm:

Seriously, that kid would fit right in at a Dropkick family gathering. Of course, we're all tattooed FREAKS, one of my brothers has several facial and neck tattoos (not to mention the skull on the back of his skull). He's a fantastic father and husband, and a good person in general. Oh yeah, he and his wife support their family as tattoo artists. I have tons of tattoos (getting there on my sleeves, about 3/5 done). Guess what? I have a good job. I work in cancer research, and the fact that I have tattoos has in no way affected my career. Before this, I worked in retail management (made more money, fucking hated it). Another brother is also a tattoo artist. And we all know LOTS of people who have LOTS of tattoos, facial and otherwise, and they all have jobs, in fact, they had to use the money they earned from those jobs to pay for all those tattoos. Funny, huh?

And I resent the people making snide remarks about his hygiene because he has zits. I am fanatical about hygiene, and, even at 30 years old, I still struggle with acne (I refuse to take the crazy heavy duty make you insane stuff they say is my only recourse, so sue me). Good to know that everyone thinks I am dirty, makes it that much easier to deal with.


**edited to add - I'll tell ya who's gonna have trouble getting a job, it's them long haired hippie freaks and their loud rock-n-roll music, they're never gonna amount to anything!

[LynneSin]

72. I'm gonna give you the advice that my mother gave me

As long as I was living under her house, I had to live by her rules. I moved out as soon as I graduated college.

[youthere]

78. My mother had pretty much the same rule..

She would say "When you are the one paying the mortgage, and the utilities, and the taxes, and are listed as the policy-holder on the insurance, THEN you get the power to make the rules."

[LynneSin]

79. It makes you grow up quickly

and makes major incentive to move out on your own.

[youthere]

81. AAAAAND HOW.

[RedStateShame]

77. Call Jerry Only!! The Misfits have a new front man!!

[bridgit]

82. oooh spooky, i'm-ah skeer'd pft! what a slacker...

[wildhorses]

88. i'd hit it--

if i was a snake:bounce:

[Roon]

87. I see this kid on the bus that has a skull

tattooed on his face.His is more detailed than this guys.

[ileus]

90. ID10T

Must be nice to be rich and not have to work for a living. I suppose he could work in a Music store or tattoo shop.

[Elidor]

96. A cheaper alternative

Btw, the guy in the photos looks a lot like Chris Walken. Maybe that explains it.

[Quantess]

102. Warriors....come out and play!!

But it looks like that warrior got hit in the face with too much gold spray paint.

[Ghost in the Machine]

98. Looks like an air brush tat to me, like they do at Fantasy Fest in Key West

like this...





http://www.wdwgdas.com/

[Jamastiene]

100. I think it looks great.

There are plenty of jobs he can get. He can work at a tattooing business, a music store, and any other number of jobs. I don't see the problem. :shrug: