Argument with a Freeper.

[coloradodem2005]

Well, On othertimelines.com, there are comments that can be made about a timeline. I posted mine about Bush. On the divergence of Nader does not run. I talked about Bush bankrupting the country and mentioned the Patriot Act.

He came back at me to say social programs cost a lot and the contraversial sections of the Patriot Act would sunset next year.

I told him what Bush said in the SOTU address and mentioned that the Republicans had started Reaganomics and that we had each one recession under each Bush. And that the democrats have balanced budgets while Bush spent like a drunken sailor on an immoral war and said that that money could be used to give every American health insurance.

He said that the recession started under Clinton and how can you be sure that Saddam did not have WMD's. He also said that universal Healthcare was not part of the Constitution.

I shot back that it keeps looking less likely that there were WMD's and said, how can you be sure that he did have them. I also told him that the recession started in March 2001. I mentioned that health insurance was part of Harry Truman's 1948 platform. And 43 million people don't have it. Costs keep going up and people lose their jobs and take lower wage jobs, with no insurance or little and now they really cannot afford to cover any expenses that they may have to deal with. That is where it got to.

[RC]

1. He said social programs cost a lot

And no one brought up the $87 billion+ whatever for Iraq? does he have any idea what 87 billion would buy in the way of reasonable health care in this country with out the greedy drug companies gouging the public?

[coloradodem2005]

4. I actually took that up in a sentence with this person.

[number6]

2. I read it, first time I've seen this site, interesting

I agree with your point.

[lcordero]

3. about the WMDs

Bush admitted that there were no WMDs the second that he wouldn't let the UN inspectors in.

about the "boom"

There was no "boom". We have been in the Reagan/BushI recession for the last 24 years.

http://www.prospect.org/print-friendly/print/V12/7/reich-r.html

The dirtiest little secret about the Roaring Nineties is that average working families gained almost no income, while their health care costs soared. From 1986 through 1997 (the latest year for which detailed IRS data are available), the average income of the richest 1 percent of Americans rose 89 percent, to $517,713. During these same years, the average income of the bottom 90 percent of Americans rose 1.6 percent, to $23,815. (These figures, not incidentally, are after all federal income taxes were paid.)


From 1997 to 2000, the stock market got artificially bloated. Work visas were used to drive down wages and the stealing of pensions picked up.

The working poor has been taking it up the ass the whole time, except it was done with a smidgen of vaseline from 1992 to 2000. Then again, the working poor were paid back in spades with "welfare reform".

As far as "health insurance" goes, I want NO part of it. I want healthcare.

[SheilaT]

5. Bush is going to be the first president

since Herbert Hoover to end his term with a net loss of jobs.

Clinton inherited a huge deficit and turned it into a surplus. It took W less than a year to piss it away completely and give us an even bigger deficit.

It will take at least two terms of a Democratic president to turn it back around again.