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HEyHEY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-04-03 11:49 PM
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Poll question: Nasty Decision to make possibly coming.....
Edited on Mon Aug-04-03 11:52 PM by HEyHEY
Okay this truly is life altering, I asked some DUers about this last week. SO I'll do a brief overview. My two friends are trying to get me hooked up with their advertising firm (Nothing souless, mostly theatre), the money is UNREAL! Plus I'd be good at it. Now, currently I work as a landscaper/gardener for the city, the pay there is a decent $20/hour.

Now, I would enjoy the other job more..and the money is better. But there is one problem, I have been fostering a dream to move to Northern Ireland for YEAAARSSSS now. I'm only 24 and this is something I want to do while young, maybe just for a year. Accepting this new job would delay that, and I am worried of getting trapped and spending my life regretting that I never did the Ireland thing. If I keep the city job until layoffs in November, I could go then....but I don't yet have a job there...ahhhHHH!!!! The decision, is killing me...I don't "have" the job yet, but should I get it I won't have much time to think before accepting.....should HEyHEY
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Dude_CalmDown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-04-03 11:55 PM
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1. I voted for #1 but
An Audi TT??? Get an S2000. Otherwise you'll spend your life regretting it.
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HEyHEY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-04-03 11:56 PM
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2. Oh but I dig the roadster!
I love the look
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Dude_CalmDown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-03 12:18 AM
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8. If you must get a TT what about...
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HEyHEY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-03 12:27 AM
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11. humanahumanahumana
baaawooooga!
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Dover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-04-03 11:59 PM
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3. Trust your first instincts....follow your heart. It may open other doors
you can't even imagine now. Just the experience itself will feed your soul. Carpe Diem!
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Pert_UK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-03 12:04 AM
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4. It all depends.....
It might be worth taking this new job and gaining a couple of years experience, that way you're far more likely to be able to get similar work in the future. It depends on whether this job is something you REALLY want to do, or is just a "nice to have" that's cropped up at the moment.

Are you in line for any redundancy payoff if you lose your current job later this year? That would be worth considering. My story is that I hung around at work until they offered me voluntary redundancy and a small payoff, then I went to go travelling. I tried working in China, didn't like it, so am now in Australia on a working holiday visa.

What I would say is that you COULD give this other job a try if it's something you really want to do. You won't be too old to change your mind and go to Northern Ireland in 2 or 5 or 10 years time - I'm 28 and am loving being away.

BUT, the other thing is that I always wanted to go travelling since the age of 18 and have only just managed it. Basically, great opportunities kept cropping up and I'd take them and postpone my travels, which kept me in the UK for 10 years. There will ALWAYS be a reason not to go travelling, but what you've got to decide is whether the current one is a good enough reason to postpone (not cancel) your trip for a while.

Not solid answers I'm afraid!

P.
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HEyHEY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-03 12:06 AM
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6. SOlid enough
Yeah, I'm gonna take it...truly if the itch is THAT bad, I can always quit right? Plus there is always the possiblity of a sabatical
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Devlzown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-03 12:17 AM
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7. Hell yeah, you can quit!
If you like it, though, you can stick with it a while and sock away some money. You'll be able to stay in N. Ireland longer or maybe even go somewhere else that captures your fancy.
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newyawker99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-03 11:28 AM
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27. Congrats Devlzown!! 100 posts
A :toast: for your first milestone!
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Dover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-03 12:05 AM
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5. Here's a little self exam
Imagine yourself taking the good paying job. Visualize it...feel it.
How do you feel?

Now do the same exercise with the trip to Ireland. How do you feel?

I think you will feel immediate relief from your tortured mind once you decide on the one that feels right. The alternative will not give you a feeling of peace and contentment. Friction/stress is caused when we go against our instincts.
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sam sarrha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-03 12:27 AM
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10. some illusions can feel darn good, just like my ex-wife did....
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sam sarrha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-03 12:25 AM
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9. I have been unemployed for over a year, I'm biased, good job is HARD to
find. when Bush is through with Iraq, he gona go after your CANADIAN BACCON...he will need a quick easy war, to make up for the last bad one. Watch out. the NEOCON's wont leave a refuge for desenters here to run to...you are next...
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sasquatch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-03 12:30 AM
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12. What in the hell is in Northern Ireland?
Catholic and Protestant terrorist that want to kill each other over a crappy peice of island. Man your crazier than those people that leave here and move to Israel "Hey honey let's watch our son die for SAND!!". Your friends should be looking into putting you into a mental institution not employment oppurtunities. I mean I would always love to be in old Deutchland once to see how my grosspapa lived but, Jesus visit not stay. Besides you want to live next to the sorry ass IRA No offense if you are Irish but, For crying out loud fish or cut bait. Hell we fought off the English the Zulu's did, the Persians did, the french did, the scottish did(on the same fuckin Island) and the Iraqies are currently fighting them off now so what's thier sorry ass excuse.
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Pert_UK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-03 12:45 AM
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13. How terribly incoherent.....
Bit of an odd rant there if you don't mind me saying so...you're usually pretty good!

I admit that I was puzzled a little by the choice, but to be honest I don't think it merits quite such a rant.

There are some amazingly beautiful parts of Northern Ireland, and whilst there are undoubtedly religious and political tensions, it's probably no more dangerous for visitors than the potential for armed violence in the States.

I have nothing but hatred for the IRA and its tactics, but to write off an entire country (or countries) like that is just plain bizarre - why not write off Spain for ETA, France for the Basque separatist movement, and pretty much every other democratic country in the world, all of which seem to have their own internal terrorist organisations of one sort or another...

And regarding fighting off the English - "Hell we fought off the English the Zulu's did, the Persians did, the french did, the scottish did(on the same fuckin Island)".....errrrr....what? What the hell is that all about???

P.
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sasquatch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-03 12:53 AM
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15. I'm just making a point on how weak the IRA are
Hell the scottish had to fight off the best army in the world on the same Island they both shared that is pretty hard to do. The IRA has the advantage of having a seperate island(it is very hard to invade an island) the advantage of the thompson sub maching gun and still couldn't do it. The scottish were out numbered out armed and had to make the English share the same island with them and respect thier soverenty as a nation that is pretty damn tuff. If you don't know what deutchland is that is German(yes I'm a kraut)for Germany.
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inthecorneroverhere Donating Member (842 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-03 01:06 AM
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18. bitte!
Bitte, bilden Sie ihre Sätze korrekter und höflich? Es' nicht gut, ungrammatical und "rude" zu sein!

In English, we spell 'separate' with one 'e' and two 'a's. We also capitalize 'Scottish,' capitalize 'Thompson,' and write 'Deutschland' with an 's.'

Mein grosswater war ein altes 'Kraut' ins ihre Staat Ohio, und war Schulvorsteher!!!

Bitte, Seien Sie mehr reserviert und gezüchtet!
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sasquatch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-03 01:30 AM
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20. I know my grammer sucks but it's late
Why do you always jump on my case anyways how would you like if I did it for a while. Dumbkauf;-)
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inthecorneroverhere Donating Member (842 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-03 12:47 AM
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14. hey! cut it!
Bud, ya had a couple too many of them Spatens? Yeah, I luv 'em, too, but even if the 'beer brings out the truth,' let's keep it civil and cut out the rudeness.

The guy asked a question for opinion's sake. He didn't deserve a rude retort, mmmm'kay?!?

My opinion on the original question is' take the well-paying job and snag some vacation time/money for a trip to N. Ireland and check it out for a couple of weeks. If it checks out, can always quit the job and move there on a a 2nd ticket.'
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sasquatch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-03 01:03 AM
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17. You don't understand
there is a differance with what happens in N. Ireland and in other democratic nations. N. Ireland is stolen land it belongs to the Irish not to Tony Blairs pathetic ass. Get out go home and go pursue your bullshit denominations in England. I don't live in certain sections of the US because the people are insane. The south is one of them yes the smokey's are beutiful but, the people are racist facist ass wipes so I avoid and encourage relatives to. Now the south is nowhere near as bad as N. Ireland but jesus you don't see those assholes driving car bombs into Northern towns. I'm not drunk I haven't had anything to drink tonight and the only reason I am rude is to wake him up from his pipe dream.
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Pert_UK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-03 01:29 AM
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19. Look I'm sorry, but you are talking absolute shit.
Edited on Tue Aug-05-03 01:36 AM by Pert_UK
Firstly - you may not have noticed, but Scotland has been ruled from LONDON for quite some time. Yep, we're devolving power to Scotland (and it is about time) but your arguments about the Scots having kicked England's influence out are completely bizarre.

Secondly - you are critical of the IRA for not kicking the English out??? Look - there was justifiable rebellion in Ireland against the English invasion and rule....however, the IRA is NOT the common voice of the Irish people, neither does it command the overwhelming support of the Irish people. The majority of Irish people seek a peaceful and democratic end to the troubles in Ireland and Northern Ireland, not an armed uprising and massacre, and a proportion of the IRA has accordingly put down its weapons to embrace peaceful negotiation. A proportion, namely the "Real" IRA and Continuity IRA have continued to attempt and commit atrocities - your comments suggest that you hold them in higher regard. You are praising people who commit mass murder and suggesting that more violence would have been the solution.

Thirdly - in case you hadn't noticed, Tony Blair didn't invade Ireland....neither did John Major, Margaret Thatcher, etc. etc. etc. Your marvellous solution that Blair should "Get out go home and go pursue your bullshit denominations in England" is fantastic. You are clearly a Kofi Annan in the making....The situation in Northern Ireland is incredibly complex and has been compounded by decades (if not longer) of rivalry, infighting, feuds, religious and political arguments etc. For years UK politicians have been trying to defuse this timebomb and untangle the problems, whilst minimising violence. To withdraw overnight would lead to turmoil and massacre.

Fourthly - focusing on the problems of Northern Ireland means that you ignore the 99.9% of the country that lives in peace on a daily basis. Like it or not, the vast majority of NI live with each other in harmony on a daily basis. You are painting NI as if it were a war zone, which it clearly isn't. Great progress has been made towards peace, and to talk about NI as if the whole place is like the Shankhill Road, with a bullet or bomb around every corner, is to do it a great disservice. It's a beautiful country, and although it has more than its fair share of problems, you shouldn't paint it like the West Bank.

(ON EDIT) - just to clarify a few things. I do have some awareness of Irish / British history and the struggle against the British invasion. I thoroughly agree that the British have repeatedly behaved in an appalling manner in Ireland / Northern Ireland. I'm not excusing the behaviour of my government in Ireland in THE PAST. I even believe that Ireland should (probably) be reunited into one. However, it can't be done overnight and without considering the lives and opinions of the people who live there. To suggest otherwise is madness. We have to deal with the situation NOW, and not purely examine the rights / wrongs of past invasion.

I've seldom read such ill-informed and bizarre comments on DU....to criticise the "weakness" of the IRA and then offer trite and patronising solutions to the complex problems of NI, whilst writing off the country as a no-go war zone is just frightening.

Peace.

P.
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sasquatch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-03 01:40 AM
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22. I know the IRA isn't the voice of the Irish pal
I'm just making a point of how stupid this tribal religous bullshit is. I know Tony Blair didn't invade Ireland but, since he is the PM of England he is the one that get's picked on. The Germans for thirty fucking years slaughtered each other over "my denomination is right and yours is wrong so know I am going to kill you". I don't want to see him thrown into that mess. If you say it has improved since I was a kid your probably right. Besides there is a reason why I am a non denomination christian and NI is one of the many.
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Pert_UK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-03 01:49 AM
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24. Well at least we agree on some stuff....
Tribal religious fighting is, indeed, incredibly stupid. I totally agree. I am equally appalled by Protestant terrorist groups and violence as I am by Catholic violence...or indeed any violence.

In an ideal world, we wouldn't have the NI situation, or the Israel/Palestine situation, or Iraq, or Afghanistan or a monkey in the Whitehouse.

I was just objecting to your portrayal of NI as a "no go" area and the suggestion that British politicians derive any joy from being neck-deep in the shit-quagmire that is NI politics.

I also found your comments on how the English should have been beaten in Ireland very, very puzzling, as your historical precendence for this was somewhat scattered and not very compelling.

However, at least we agree that religious intolerance and violence is unacceptable, but if you'd said that in the first place I wouldn't have had to sit here typing for half an hour!!!

:-)

Peace again,

Auf wiedersehen.

P.
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sasquatch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-03 01:55 AM
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25. peace to you as well
Guten Tag :)
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foxy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-03 01:00 AM
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16. I'm ready when you are..let's go.
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5thGenDemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-03 01:33 AM
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21. Hell, man -- take the money and run
I'll be 47 in October and I haven't even gotten to Milwaukee yet.
John
Ireland will still be there when the proper time comes for you to bust a move.
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nothingshocksmeanymore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-03 01:42 AM
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23. Oh Danny boy..the pipes the pipes are calling
I very much agree with Dover's sage advice......if this is a TRUE dream...go for it..anything can happen anytime....
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Iris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-03 02:17 AM
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26. yeah. You have your whole life to work.
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