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Rowdyboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 05:03 PM
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"The Lion in Winter" remake...Stars
Patrick Stewart and Glenn Close...

http://www.thepsn.org/psn/filmtitle.asp?filmid=68

This is my favorite film of all time. While I very much like Glenn Close and Patrick Stewart, and I expect this to be very good, I can't imagine it rivaling the original.

(this should get me over 6,000 posts!)
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Bertha Venation Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 05:04 PM
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1. It's also another DUer's favorite movie . . .
. . . expect to see him pop up any moment.

LOVE Glenn Close. She's a goddess. Damn Cher anyway! (:hi: Ronny.... happy birthday.... ;))
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bleedingheart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 05:05 PM
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2. Egads! Why!
I love the Katherine Hepburn original...

by the way shouldn't this be in the lounge?
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lastknowngood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 05:08 PM
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3. Criminal! It should be illegal to remake this great classic
soon they will be remaking The African Queen.
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joeybee12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 08:29 PM
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20. NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!! It is criminal!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Possibly Kate's best role, and that's saying something.

Both Patrick and Glenn are fine actors, but the chemistry between Peter O'Toole and Kate CANNOT be matched--there was something special going on, and it was once-in-a-lifetime.
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regnaD kciN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-07-04 06:24 AM
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29. No...next up will be a remake of "Casablanca"...
...starring Colin Farrell and Liv Tyler.

























(By the way, I'm making that up. ;-) )
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Rowdyboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 05:10 PM
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4. Thanks to the mods for moving it...
Patrick Stewart said in an interview that the original couldn't be rivaled, but that it was such an excellent piece of work, it deserved several interpretations.
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terrya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 05:12 PM
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5. My god, Rowdyboy! What a coincidence!
I adore "The Lion in Winter". My very favorite film! I've seen it about 30 times...and I could easily see it another 30 times!

Great casting, BTW. Patrick Stewart and Glenn Close would be perfect.

How about Richard and Phillip? I see Jude Law as Richard. :-)

Terry
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Rowdyboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 05:19 PM
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7. Philip. I believe is Jonathon Rhys Meyers
I can't find a decent picture of him but he's gorgeous
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terrya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 05:20 PM
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8. Yes, he is.
On both counts.

:-)

Terry
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Dookus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 05:15 PM
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6. one of my all-time favorites also
this cast will be good, I'm sure. I think they're both very fine actors.

It was revived on Broadway a couple years ago with Stockard Channing and Lawrence Fishburne. That would've been good!
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Rowdyboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 05:21 PM
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9. Here's the full cast
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starroute Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 05:27 PM
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10. I saw the the stage play first and didn't like it much
So I was amazed at how much better the movie was.

I'm not sure what made the difference -- partly having world-class actors, I suppose. But my recollection is that the play was mostly trying to be clever and slightly shocking, in a typical middle-60's way, while the movie had a much greater depth of humanity and passion.

My expectation would be that if they try to remake the movie they're going to fall flat, while if they go back to the play and find a new way to add greater dimensions of meaning to it, they could wind up with something significant in its own right.
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terrya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 05:31 PM
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12. Supposedly, Hepburn demanded that some of the comedic dialogue be dropped
The stage play (which I've seen) and the film are different. There is dialogue missing from the film. I did hear that Hepburn demanded changes in the script.

Terry
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asjr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 05:28 PM
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11. They will never top
the original. Katherine Hepburn was at her finest.
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chookie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 05:32 PM
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13. Yikes
Hard to see why anyone would undertake this project.

It would be lovely to see this in a theatre, but to re-make Lion in Winter after (the divine) Peter O'Toole and Kate Hepburn lent their miraculous talents -- gee, I dunno.

Anthony Hopkins and Timothy Dalton are kind of hard to improve on as well.

There was a remake of Dr Zhivago for PBS recently, and boy oh boy did it suck to high heavens. I always knew the original was a eternal glory, but had even more admiration for it when I saw how another director and cast could do such a lousy job.

*Big* Peter O'Toole fan here, I'm afraid, so pardon me if I am not being particularly open-minded about this one.
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grannylib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 05:38 PM
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14. You have got to be kidding....please tell me you are kidding....
I like Glenn Close but for anyone to replace that original cast...
bad idea to even try, IMHO
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wellstone_democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 05:59 PM
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15. this is just wrong
I don't care what anyone says to "justify" a remake of it...it is simply WRONG
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nuxvomica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 06:07 PM
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16. Well I'm a little disappointed cuz TLIW is one of my favorites
It's the kind of movie you just have to watch when you catch it while channel-surfing. O'Toole and Hepburn were amazing. I can't imagine Stewart and Close coming anywhere near that kind of lightning but it I'll have to wait and see.
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geniph Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 06:08 PM
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17. Why remake it? It's perfection!
Edited on Fri Feb-06-04 06:10 PM by geniph
You can't improve on perfection! I do not approve of remakes just to be remaking. We just watched the original last week on TMC, and there is no way to improve on it. And I'm saying this as a woman who has an autographed picture of Patrick Stewart in her bedroom!

The only performer whose performance was less than perfect was the young woman playing Alice; her performance was a bit stilted and stagey.

"Of course he's got a knife. We've all got knives. It's 1183 and we're all barbarians."
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Dookus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 06:21 PM
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18. There's nothing with remaking things...
it's like saying nobody should restage Shakespeare because it's already been done, or revive a famous musical.

The Judy Garland/James Mason version of A Star is Born is a remake (as of course was the Streisand/Kristofferson version). The James Stewart/Doris Day version of The Man Who Knew Too Much was a remake.

Why should Brannagh refilm Hamlet when we already Olivier's film version?

There really isn't anything inherently wrong with re-staging a great piece of art. Nobody's gonna demand that the old one be taken off the shelves.
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Rowdyboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 08:00 PM
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19. "Avert your eyes, lest you be blinded by my beauty..."
delivered in Hepburn's withering style...

and

"Affection is a pressure I can bear..."
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Kathy in Cambridge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 08:32 PM
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21. Sacrilege!
That's all I have to say.
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joeybee12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 08:35 PM
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22. Absolutely--seemy post above--and poor Kate hasn't been gone that long!
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mohinoaklawnillinois Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 09:11 PM
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26. I agree with you entirely
TLIW has been one of my favorite movies since I first saw it in 1968. How can you replace Peter O'Toole and Kate Hepburn, Anthony Hopkins and Timothy Dalton? My sister gave me the DVD in October for my 50th b-day. It's one of her all-time favorites as well. Total sacrilege!!
The next thing you know someone will want to remake GWTW as well.
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northofdenali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 08:46 PM
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23. I would probably not go to see the remake -
one of the best movies of all times, for sure. Katherine Hepburn at her finest! Remember this one?

Katherine Hepburn: What would you have me do? Give out? Give up? Give in?
Peter O'Toole: Give me a little peace.
Katherine Hepburn: A little? Why so modest? How about eternal peace? Now there's a thought.


She was magnificent!
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Rowdyboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 09:00 PM
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24. Its not going to appear in theaters...
Will be on Showtime in a few weeks...
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northofdenali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 09:07 PM
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25. Good, then - keep us posted, because I might watch at home.
It has to be a major, major show to get me to a theater any more. LOTR, Bowling for Columbine, etc.; I'm just too claustrophobic for these teeny theaters!

The Fairbanks Drama Association did the play a few years back and it was very well done for a small-town effort.
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Rowdyboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 09:19 PM
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27. My partner played Geoffrey in a local community theater production
Edited on Fri Feb-06-04 09:21 PM by Rowdyboy
It was before we met, so I never saw it, but I've seen pictures and it looks like a fabulous interpretation.

We still have two of the robes from that production
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Nlighten1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 09:49 PM
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28. Me too.
Love this movie...there is NO WAY they will be able to make it as good as the original but, like you, I expect it too be a good movie.
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