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trof Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 05:39 PM
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Be careful how you use email (funny)
Edited on Thu Feb-12-04 05:48 PM by trof
So I get this e-mail from a friend who's a repug.

'Bush and I were lieutenants'
"George Bush and I were lieutenants and pilots in the 111th Fighter Interceptor Squadron (FIS), Texas Air National Guard (ANG) from 1970 to 1971. We had the same flight and squadron commanders (Maj. William Harris and Lt. Col. Jerry Killian, both now deceased). While we were not part of the same social circle outside the base, we were in the same fraternity of fighter pilots, and proudly wore the same squadron patch.

It is quite frustrating to hear the daily cacophony from the left and Sen. John Kerry, Massachusetts Democrat, et al., about Lt. Bush escaping his military responsibilities by hiding in the Texas ANG. In the Air Guard during the Vietnam War, you were always subject to call-up, as many Air National Guardsmen are finding out today. If the 111th FIS and Lt. Bush did not go to Vietnam, blame President Johnson and Secretary of Defense Robert S. McNamara, not lowly Lt. Bush. They deliberately avoided use of the Guard and Reserves for domestic political calculations, knowing that a draftee only stirred up the concerns of one family, while a call-up got a whole community's attention."

blah blah blah

You've probably seen it. Another "explanation".

And then a minute later I get the same email, with a comment, from a guy I never heard of. A minute later, yet another, from some other guy I don't know. Aha! The dummies hit "reply all" instead of "reply". There are about 2 dozen addresses in the "To" block.
This is too good to pass up.

I hit "reply all" and write:

Who is Mike Munson, and why is he sending me e-mail?

Tip for newbies: See, there's a "reply" thingy where you just reply to the guy you got the e-mail from? And then there's the dreaded "REPLY ALL" thingy where you can hang it out there for ALL to see. Make sure you click on the proper one.

Ah well...one must always be ready to grasp an opportunity when it presents itself.

Boy, if I had only known they would excuse me from duty. Guess I and the rest of the guys in
the squadron were just too dumb to ask. I actually remember that we enjoyed what we were doing
and couldn't believe we were getting paid to do it.
I do remember one hapless fellow who washed out of pilot training. Wasn't his fault.
He just couldn't hack it.
During his ANG exit interview, our irate wing commander, General George Reid Doster, told him
"I'll have your worthless ass in a green uniform by five o'clock this afternoon."
Poor guy drove straight to the Navy recruiter's office. Smart move.

From the horse's mouth:
If I remember correctly, my Air National Guard paychecks came from the U.S. Treasury Department. We were paid quarterly. On the first month of a new quarter, we were paid for the previous quarter.

The Guard doesn't pay you if you aren't there to answer "present".
It should be a simple matter to see how much income Bush received from the Department of Treasury each year of his Guard obligation from his income tax records:
Total annual income from Air national Guard (Treasury), divided by daily pay rate for a 1st Lt. on flying status (base pay + flight pay), equals number of days served.
May have to be adjusted for time spent on non-flying status (which should NOT have happened, see 2 below).

You can do the math on how much he SHOULD have received, had he been present each time he should have been.
12 monthly drill week-ends a year
(1 day's pay for each 4 hour period) = 48 days pay
12 REQUIRED Flying Training Periods
(FTPs) per quarter X 4 quarters = 48 days pay
2 weeks Annual Summer Encampment = 14 days pay
110 days pay annually

Anything less for the six year obligation following completion of pilot training indicates no-show.

Three more points:

1. It's highly unusual that Bush was mustered out as a 1st Lt. If you kept
your nose relatively clean, you made 1st Lt. 3 years after your commission
as a 2nd Lt. Two years later, you made Captain. As long as you just put
your time in, it was automatic. That he didn't make Captain prior to his
discharge is very telling. Reason: He wasn't there long enough, not enough time-in-grade.

2.a. Failure to pass your annual flight physical is one thing.
Failure to show up for it is another thing entirely. It results in automatic grounding
and is a violation of Air Force and ANG regs. Refusal is subject to disciplinary action,
including court martial.
2.b. ONLY a certified Air Force Flight Surgeon may administer a pilot's flight
physical. Not your "personal physician back in Houston", and not even the Mayo Clinic.
Not anybody who isn't a certified flight surgeon. They were available in Birmingham,
Huntsville, Montgomery, Selma, and Mobile.

3. An Honorable Discharge is NOT "evidence" that he served his time. This
is just the butt-covering "talking point" used by him and his supporters.
It IS evidence that his commanding officers violated ANG rules and
regulations. It's called "covering one's derriere". Had they NOT given him
an honorable discharge it would have called attention to the fact that they
gave him a pass on his absences and pointed up a serious, punishable
dereliction of duty on their part.

NOW...you may think I've got some kind of burr under my saddle about
this AWOL thing. You'd be right.

Massey Lambard
Foley, Alabama
former Captain/pilot, 1963-1971
RF-84/F
106th Tactical Reconnaissance Squadron
"Alone, unarmed, and unafraid"
117th Tactical Reconnaissance Wing
"We killum with fillum."
Alabama Air National Guard

Reply from Guy 1, and my response:
Big screw up!! I hit Reply All. Massey, PLEASE, take me off your address list!!!!!!!!!

Will you quit sending me these ridiculous e-mails?
I didn't start this.


Reply from Guy 2 , and my response:
am aware of "Reply All" and am comfortable of my understanding of how the system operates. I appreciate your time in helping me to further understand this communications development.

Do me a favor -take my name off your address list and I will do the same for yours.

I, too, wonder why a real world, honest-to-God combat aviator like Mike would bother to send you anything.

Glad to be of assistance.
Really got your knickers in a twist, hunh?
See, I don't go out looking for these right-wing-nut e-mails.
Honest, I don't.
But I sure as hell deal with them when they hit my inbox.


"I, too, wonder why a real world, honest-to-God combat aviator like Mike would bother to send you anything."

Well, you too, sir, and the horse you rode in on.
;-)

Then I sent this "reply all":
Please rest assured.
If you don't know me from Adam's off ox, you aren't on my e-mail list.
Nor will you ever be unfortunate enough to be included.
<collective sigh of relief>
There are only a couple of folks in this address block that I count as friends.
I won't embarrass them by naming them.

In the future, you might send these things bcc (blind copy).
If you don't know how, send me an e-mail and I'll explain.
Then liberal subversives like me can't access the whole list.
Talk about your Pandora's boxes.
So long y'all, and have a nice day.
;-)









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waterman Donating Member (585 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 05:54 PM
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1. Whooooooweeeee!!!.....Loved the ending!
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NYC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 05:55 PM
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2. Very nicely done.
:hi:
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Lars39 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 05:55 PM
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3. Oh, my. They got a little bit more of a response than looked for !!!
I bet that just made your day! :)
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trof Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 06:02 PM
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5. Did it EVER make my day!
luv it luv it luv it
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wysimdnwyg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 05:57 PM
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4. Nice!
I have a friend who has seen fit to include me on her repug propaganda spam that she sends out periodically. Recently, she has included several forwarded messages that are known to be crap. When she does that, I deliberately hit Reply-to-All and advise the others on the list that the message is BS, along with a link to the related page on Snopes.

Yesterday, my friend IMed me asking, rather testily, if I would prefer she stop sending me e-mail altogether. As she is my friend (despite our obvious political differences), I told her not to stop e-mailing me, but that I would continue to reply as needed whenever she sends me any crap like the one sent yesterday (the Andy Rooney one).

I love the fact that they get so upset when you call them on their lies. :evilgrin:
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trof Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 06:03 PM
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7. Done that more times than I can count.
I send them the link to the appropriate Snopes webpage and politely suggest that they check it out with snopes before they BROADCAST IT TO THE WHOLE EFFING WORLD!
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dolo amber Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 06:02 PM
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6. Heeeeeee!!!!
Well done, trof! :thumbsup: :D

I must say however, when I saw the title of your thread I just HAD to click to see if it had anything to do with this:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=120&topic_id=12882

We had our own little adventure with e-mails today. :D
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trof Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 06:05 PM
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8. My third laugh this evening.
DemoTex got the first.
Thanks, dolo.
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dolo amber Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 06:25 PM
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10. Only returning the favor
for the many you've given me! :D :hi:
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DemoTex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 06:10 PM
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9. "Alone, unarmed, and unafraid"
Our unofficial unit patch, for those night missions over the trail in Laos, said: Alone, Unarmed, and Scared Shitless.
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zanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 06:44 PM
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11. He's going to be on C-Span's Washington Journal tomorrow am
at 7:30 EST. (With Brian, of course).
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trof Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 06:46 PM
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12. More responses:
From my buddy, who sent me the e-mail in the first palce:

(to all)
Subject: shit storm
Sorry! I started one of these a few months ago. Must admit you were hit pretty hard, but thought you'd be interested in it as you were in the ALA Air Guard at the time. Must admit, you have an interesting perspective.
Guys, (trof) was a TWA classmate of mine and although we have differing opinions, I consider him a friend and a good guy! After this, I may off his list, or on another list.

As Rodney said, "can't we all just get along?"

Regardz, Bob/Willard


And then (to me):
Subject: shit list
WOW! You know how to stir up the troops. Ah well, some of those old farts might even get a hard on tonight, Now that the bloods moving so fast. Say Hi to Helen.
Not that it makes any difference, but there was a 4 star, 3 star, 2-2stars 18 Viet Nam vets and 2 POW's. Plus, I used to be able to call them my friends. Still will be I'm sure. Nice to get them riled up once in awhile.
Hope all's well, let me know how the families doing.

Bob
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trof Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 06:49 PM
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13. My last response
Do I dare copy the rest on this?
Aw, what the hell.

Dear Bob,

You're still on my list, and not the "S" one. Friends agree to disagree.
I'm almost ashamed of myself (but not quite), but this was just toooo good an opportunity to pass up.
I got a big ole "delete" button up there, just like everybody else.
Some days it gets quite a workout, but once in a great while I rise to the bait.
Shame on me.

Not to get too serious, but I do some volunteer work with a couple of veteran's organizations, DAV and VFW. Mostly guys who served in WW II, Korea, and Viet Nam. Nobody I talk to there is happy with the cuts in benefits and medical care they've suffered under this administration.

I could go on and on about why I feel the way I do about Bush, but I won't.
Why am I so reluctant to voice my opinions?
Seems like everybody in the Bush camp is only too happy to.
Whether I want to hear it or not.
I dunno. Just a shrinking violet, I guess.
Anyway, come see us, and I'll see if I can still figure how to get the cap off a bottle of Scotch.

Be well.
trof
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Blue-Jay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 07:08 PM
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14. Trof, may I use a portion of your email at another MB?
You explained some things about NG service better than I could ever hope to.

Well done!
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trof Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 07:26 PM
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15. You bet.
I can PM you a couple of things that go into more detail about how the guard pilot training program works, a pilot's obligation on completion of training, and whether w* was AWOL or a deserter.
He wasn't according to the strict definitions of one document used to accuse him, The Uniform Code of Military Justice (UCMJ).
That documant did not apply to him (or me).
But he WAS in violation of Texas Air National Guard regs.
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Blue-Jay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 07:38 PM
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16. Thanks a lot.
I tried making a point similar to yours at a little place in cyberia yesterday regarding NG pay, but I didn't convice the one person that I was shooting for. Yours is a slam dunk.

In case you were wondering, the message board in question is one that a friend of mine created and only has about 100 (invitation-only) members. It's mostly people that used to play online games together at the old Sony Station. So far, we've had two former Bush supporters that are now dancing on the dark side; one from NY and the other from TX.

Thanks again!

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trof Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 08:00 PM
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17. So, Bob just called.
My friend who sent the original e-mail.
Miz t. answered.
"Hi, Helen. This Is Bob Xxxx."
"HI BOB! How are you?"
(we've known each other since 1968)
"Uh...I'm fine. Is trof...is he there?
Is he still speaking to me?"
"(laughter) Yes, I think he's still speaking to you. I've been watching over his shoulder. This is a hoot."
"HONEY? IT'S BOB."

"HEY, BOB! How y'all doin'?"
"OK...we're fine. Look, I'm sorry about all this. I really didn't mean to get such a shit storm started."
"Aw, man? No problem. I've had a LOT of fun with this. Don't take me off your mailing list. How's Kay?"
"We're fine. I'm glad you still have your sense of humor. I got a lot of comments after your last e-mail. The one about the DAV and VFW. In spite of their support of Bush, a lot of them aren't happy either with the treatment vets are getting. I think you hit a nerve."
"Well, good. Maybe it'll give them something to really think about in November. I won't get on my soapbox, but you know how I feel. I'm ABB, Anybody But Bush. I think a lot of the Bush support is still a Clinton hangover. He was so hated by many of the military guys, it won't go away, even if he has."
"Yeah, I know. Just so you know, I'm not a big fan of Bush's. I just can't see myself voting for a Democrat, so maybe I'll just stay home?"
"I'd take it as a personal favor. Take care, and I'm serious about coming to see us."
"I'll see what we can work out. Keep the shiny side up and the rubber side down."
"Will do. Later buddy."

Bit by bit.
By the yard, it's hard.
By the inch, it's a cinch.
:-)
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