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ButterflyBlood (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-18-04 06:44 PM Original message |
Poll question: Are you offended by the hammer and sickle? |
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JohnLocke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-18-04 06:46 PM Response to Original message |
1. Yes. |
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RoeBear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-18-04 06:47 PM Response to Original message |
2. In that the use of it... |
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Spider Jerusalem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-18-04 06:48 PM Response to Original message |
3. So... |
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ButterflyBlood (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-18-04 06:50 PM Response to Reply #3 |
4. there's a difference |
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Spider Jerusalem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-18-04 06:56 PM Response to Reply #4 |
7. Functionally, there's no difference... |
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ButterflyBlood (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-18-04 06:58 PM Response to Reply #7 |
10. I can disassociate it from Hitler |
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Spider Jerusalem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-18-04 07:25 PM Response to Reply #10 |
47. No... |
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Walt Starr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-18-04 08:50 PM Response to Reply #47 |
95. Actually, you're wrong |
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KG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-18-04 08:54 PM Response to Reply #95 |
96. it's also an ancient nordic symbol, still used by the Finns |
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Spider Jerusalem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-18-04 10:17 PM Response to Reply #95 |
107. No...YOU'RE wrong, sorry... |
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edzontar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-19-04 02:49 PM Response to Reply #7 |
139. Communism as an idea is not Nazism. Stalin was a monster |
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Kamika (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-18-04 06:50 PM Response to Original message |
5. YES |
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ButterflyBlood (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-18-04 07:01 PM Response to Reply #5 |
12. what about the millions of Native Americans killed under the American flag |
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texastoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-18-04 07:03 PM Response to Reply #12 |
16. Shhhhh |
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Kamika (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-18-04 07:03 PM Response to Reply #12 |
17. no because we changed. |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-18-04 07:09 PM Response to Reply #17 |
23. They changed too. 1963 was not the same as 1933 |
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Kamika (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-18-04 07:10 PM Response to Reply #23 |
25. sorry? |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-18-04 07:12 PM Response to Reply #25 |
28. The soviets |
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Kamika (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-18-04 07:16 PM Response to Reply #28 |
33. they didn't change one bit |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-18-04 07:20 PM Response to Reply #33 |
39. Cuba kills way less prisoners than the US does now |
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Kamika (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-18-04 07:22 PM Response to Reply #39 |
41. wow.. that's saying alot |
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youngred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-18-04 07:24 PM Response to Reply #41 |
45. The Soviet Union invaded a lot of its puppets in the 60s |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-18-04 07:26 PM Response to Reply #41 |
52. 1956, but from their perspective it was very justified |
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youngred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-18-04 07:40 PM Response to Reply #52 |
69. In fact |
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CanuckAmok (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-18-04 09:58 PM Response to Reply #52 |
103. It's arguable that we DID invade West Germany. |
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CanuckAmok (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-18-04 09:51 PM Response to Reply #41 |
102. Yes... |
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Kamika (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-19-04 04:58 AM Response to Reply #102 |
127. We did not invade Vietnam |
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CanuckAmok (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-19-04 07:41 AM Response to Reply #127 |
135. Uh...okay. |
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Darranar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-18-04 07:53 PM Response to Reply #17 |
84. Have we? |
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absyntheNsugar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-18-04 10:49 PM Response to Reply #17 |
112. ummm...tell that to an Iraqi who's parents |
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dolo amber (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-18-04 09:28 PM Response to Reply #12 |
101. Heh |
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texastoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-18-04 07:01 PM Response to Reply #5 |
14. Well, let's just head right to |
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Kamika (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-18-04 07:05 PM Response to Reply #14 |
21. I'm not saying capitalism is so great |
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-18-04 07:43 PM Response to Reply #5 |
73. Body count is a misleading comparison |
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private_ryan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-18-04 11:13 PM Response to Reply #5 |
114. as someone who's lived under communism I agree 100% |
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Kamika (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-19-04 04:59 AM Response to Reply #114 |
128. Thank YOU |
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private_ryan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-19-04 03:07 PM Response to Reply #128 |
140. noe of your business! |
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everythingsxen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-18-04 06:53 PM Response to Original message |
6. I said no but.... |
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ButterflyBlood (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-18-04 06:56 PM Response to Reply #6 |
8. I explained above |
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youngred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-18-04 07:03 PM Response to Reply #6 |
15. It's an ancient symbol |
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dweller (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-18-04 07:26 PM Response to Reply #15 |
51. actually, |
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Walt Starr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-18-04 08:54 PM Response to Reply #15 |
97. I have an Indian British Officer's Campaign Chest with swastikas all over |
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youngred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-18-04 08:55 PM Response to Reply #97 |
98. you're both correct |
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dweller (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-18-04 11:09 PM Response to Reply #97 |
113. Then it's most likely Buddhist |
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bluestateguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-18-04 06:57 PM Response to Original message |
9. Communism has failed everywhere it has been tried |
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Darranar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-18-04 07:23 PM Response to Reply #9 |
42. Communism has NEVER been tried... |
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corporatewhore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-19-04 12:00 AM Response to Reply #42 |
116. yep they were state capitalists |
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Nevernose (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-18-04 10:05 PM Response to Reply #9 |
104. Technically, they're the same thing (n/t) |
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ButterflyBlood (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-18-04 06:59 PM Response to Original message |
11. just about everyone who replies is against me but... |
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youngred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-18-04 07:01 PM Response to Original message |
13. No |
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democracyindanger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-18-04 07:03 PM Response to Original message |
18. No, but |
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corporatewhore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-18-04 07:03 PM Response to Original message |
19. Just another sign of authoritarian statists or gradstudentsw/pointybeards |
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Fenris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-18-04 07:04 PM Response to Original message |
20. Sigh...yes and no |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-18-04 07:07 PM Response to Original message |
22. Speaking of, would someone make these avatar sized for me? |
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Kamika (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-18-04 07:09 PM Response to Reply #22 |
24. I don't get how these can be allowed here |
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corporatewhore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-18-04 07:10 PM Response to Reply #24 |
27. well how many in the middle east have been killed by the stars and stripes |
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Kamika (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-18-04 07:12 PM Response to Reply #27 |
29. alot less |
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corporatewhore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-18-04 07:17 PM Response to Reply #29 |
34. oh and the fillipines,nicuraga panama hiroshima dresden sudan |
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Kamika (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-18-04 07:20 PM Response to Reply #34 |
37. still |
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youngred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-18-04 07:21 PM Response to Reply #37 |
40. no, not even close |
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Kamika (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-18-04 07:25 PM Response to Reply #40 |
46. right! |
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Rowdyboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-18-04 07:30 PM Response to Reply #46 |
55. The lack of historical knowledge on this site is amazing |
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Kamika (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-18-04 07:33 PM Response to Reply #55 |
57. I agree |
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youngred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-18-04 07:36 PM Response to Reply #55 |
62. Hardly |
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youngred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-18-04 07:35 PM Response to Reply #46 |
60. Native Americans alone |
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Kamika (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-18-04 07:38 PM Response to Reply #60 |
64. lol |
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youngred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-18-04 07:43 PM Response to Reply #64 |
74. wait, I stand corrected |
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corporatewhore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-18-04 07:48 PM Response to Reply #74 |
77. you forgot native americans south of the border killed by |
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youngred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-18-04 07:50 PM Response to Reply #77 |
81. True |
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Darranar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-18-04 07:41 PM Response to Reply #60 |
70. You forgot... |
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youngred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-18-04 07:45 PM Response to Reply #70 |
75. correct |
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KG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-18-04 07:48 PM Response to Reply #60 |
78. notice, zack, that how evil a regime is corelates to how many people |
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youngred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-18-04 07:57 PM Response to Reply #78 |
90. unless its our regieme |
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KG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-18-04 08:00 PM Response to Reply #90 |
91. my point. |
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Darranar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-18-04 07:34 PM Response to Reply #40 |
59. Counting the Native Americans, who knows? |
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Fenris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-18-04 07:37 PM Response to Reply #59 |
63. T'wasn't just the U.S. that killed the native Americans |
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Darranar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-18-04 07:39 PM Response to Reply #63 |
66. That's true... |
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youngred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-18-04 07:39 PM Response to Reply #63 |
67. Spanish, English, French...... |
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Kamika (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-18-04 07:41 PM Response to Reply #67 |
71. Please provide a source or something |
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youngred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-18-04 07:49 PM Response to Reply #71 |
79. in 1492 it is estimated that there were as many Native Americans |
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Kamika (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-18-04 07:53 PM Response to Reply #79 |
85. And how many Europeans existed? |
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youngred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-18-04 07:55 PM Response to Reply #85 |
87. the second link contains an estimate of Europeans |
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Fenris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-18-04 07:56 PM Response to Reply #71 |
88. Most scholars agree that |
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Endangered Specie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-18-04 11:54 PM Response to Reply #29 |
115. So where do we draw the line?? |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-18-04 07:15 PM Response to Reply #24 |
31. Symbols don't kill people, people do. |
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corporatewhore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-18-04 07:19 PM Response to Reply #24 |
36. but you see mainly bourgeoisie college kids w/pointy goatees use it now |
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tigerbeat (475 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-18-04 07:20 PM Response to Reply #24 |
38. actually symbols didn't kill anyone.... |
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slackdude (304 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-18-04 07:47 PM Response to Reply #24 |
76. Symbols don't kill people... |
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corporatewhore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-18-04 07:13 PM Response to Reply #22 |
30. heres one |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-18-04 07:15 PM Response to Reply #30 |
32. Sweet. Thanks |
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Old and In the Way (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-18-04 07:10 PM Response to Original message |
26. Both represent political extremism...neither of which was good |
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Padraig18 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-18-04 07:19 PM Response to Original message |
35. Yes, I am very offended by it. |
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AgadorSparticus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-18-04 07:54 PM Response to Reply #35 |
86. I agree. |
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Nevernose (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-18-04 10:08 PM Response to Reply #35 |
105. This is an argument against TOTALITARIANSIM |
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Darranar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-18-04 07:24 PM Response to Original message |
43. No... |
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ButterflyBlood (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-18-04 07:25 PM Response to Reply #43 |
50. DING DING DING |
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corporatewhore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-18-04 07:24 PM Response to Original message |
44. PURGE PURGE PURGE!!!! |
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KG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-18-04 07:25 PM Response to Original message |
48. hammer and sickle don't bug me a bit |
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Rowdyboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-18-04 07:25 PM Response to Original message |
49. It tars us all by association and embarrasses DU |
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ButterflyBlood (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-18-04 07:29 PM Response to Original message |
53. OK, then answer this |
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Kamika (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-18-04 07:32 PM Response to Reply #53 |
56. The difference |
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ButterflyBlood (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-18-04 07:33 PM Response to Reply #56 |
58. yeah, but that's what the hammer and sickle represents |
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Kamika (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-18-04 07:36 PM Response to Reply #58 |
61. did Marx ever mention the two symbols? |
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ButterflyBlood (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-18-04 07:39 PM Response to Reply #61 |
68. no |
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corporatewhore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-18-04 07:50 PM Response to Reply #56 |
80. but what about Che |
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MaryBear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-18-04 07:30 PM Response to Original message |
54. Distinctions are important to make. |
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Rowdyboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-18-04 07:39 PM Response to Original message |
65. How about a Confederate battle flag avatar? |
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ButterflyBlood (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-18-04 07:43 PM Response to Reply #65 |
72. the first two are racist symbols |
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Rowdyboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-18-04 07:52 PM Response to Reply #72 |
82. The KKK avatar would be racist racist, admittedly, but |
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Liberal Christian (746 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-18-04 07:52 PM Response to Original message |
83. Sure, I'm offended |
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corporatewhore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-18-04 07:57 PM Response to Reply #83 |
89. hey my flag is just a peice of political art |
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tigereye (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-18-04 08:13 PM Response to Reply #89 |
92. symbols are very powerful |
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corporatewhore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-18-04 08:16 PM Response to Reply #92 |
93. I really dont care esp since its mostly upper midclass college kids who |
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fujiyama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-19-04 05:58 AM Response to Reply #93 |
131. BTW |
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Liberal Christian (746 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-18-04 10:44 PM Response to Reply #89 |
110. Sure it is. |
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WannaJumpMyScooter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-18-04 08:19 PM Response to Reply #83 |
94. They don't bother me one bit... never did... they are just symbols |
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VOX (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-18-04 08:58 PM Response to Original message |
99. Don't have the learned cultural response to it, like I do the swastika... |
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WannaJumpMyScooter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-18-04 10:14 PM Response to Reply #99 |
106. Some seriously murderous things happened under the US |
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FDRrocks (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-18-04 10:27 PM Response to Reply #106 |
108. That doesn't matter. |
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WannaJumpMyScooter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-18-04 10:42 PM Response to Reply #108 |
109. Whew.... I almost flipped out when I read your response |
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Piperay (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-18-04 09:17 PM Response to Original message |
100. Yes and No... |
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Sean Reynolds (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-18-04 10:45 PM Response to Original message |
111. Why would anyone be offended? |
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corporatewhore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-19-04 12:26 AM Response to Reply #111 |
119. I myself like the raised fist better |
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Sean Reynolds (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-19-04 12:27 AM Response to Reply #119 |
120. I do too. I looked for it but couldn't find a good photo of it. |
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KG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-19-04 07:26 AM Response to Reply #120 |
133. this raised fist? |
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Sean Reynolds (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-19-04 02:42 PM Response to Reply #133 |
138. Eh, I wanted something bigger... |
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Endangered Specie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-19-04 12:06 AM Response to Original message |
117. This is definetly a worthy question of discussion... my 2 cents... |
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ldoolin (642 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-19-04 12:12 AM Response to Original message |
118. Offended? Hell no. |
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Sean Reynolds (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-19-04 12:40 AM Response to Reply #118 |
121. CHEERS! |
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ldoolin (642 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-19-04 12:42 AM Response to Reply #121 |
122. As they say... |
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ButterflyBlood (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-19-04 12:49 AM Response to Reply #122 |
123. BETTER RED THAN DEAD! |
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mouse7 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-19-04 01:02 AM Response to Original message |
124. Not offended, but can understand why others would be. |
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DeaconBlues (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-19-04 01:44 AM Response to Original message |
125. No, but |
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ButterflyBlood (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-19-04 12:06 PM Response to Reply #125 |
137. actually |
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MSchreader (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-19-04 02:11 AM Response to Original message |
126. Hammer and sickle: Myths and realities |
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jsw_81 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-19-04 05:14 AM Response to Original message |
129. Of course I'm offended by it! |
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Kamika (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-19-04 06:09 AM Response to Reply #129 |
132. uhmm Kucinich is a democrat |
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Crunchy Frog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-19-04 05:45 AM Response to Original message |
130. I'd like to see what would happen |
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Loonman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-19-04 07:35 AM Response to Original message |
134. Yep. You might as well have a Stalin poster on your wall |
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ButterflyBlood (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-19-04 12:02 PM Response to Original message |
136. well 81% say no |
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