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northzax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-03 10:11 AM
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Women can't do math
True or not?

hey, if we can have a thread about the dancing abilities of races, this should be fair game as well.
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VelmaD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-03 10:13 AM
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1. absolutely untrue
I do math as a significant part of my job and I'm a girl. I am my department's stats goddess.

Darth Velma
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commander bunnypants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-03 11:14 AM
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18. Well I let my wife handle the numbers
2+2= 1412

The way my brain works.

Hell in college the department got so tired of me failing Algebra, they let me take history.

DEMMAN
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-03 10:14 AM
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2. What like regular math or figuring out if they are UNDER the speed limit?
Edited on Fri Aug-08-03 10:14 AM by underpants
I'll just be over here under my desk.
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curse10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-03 10:16 AM
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4. LoL
I'd smack ya upside the head if I could, underpants
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CatWoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-03 10:20 AM
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6. Yeah, but at least we have the good sense
to stop and ask for directions :P
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-03 10:24 AM
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9. I stop and ask for directions...
when I have failed to properly plan a trip. :bounce:
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rogerashton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-03 10:46 AM
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14. When you ask for directions, three things can happen.
1) You don't get any.

2) You get them, and they are wrong.

3) You get them, and they are right, but they are so confusing you get lost anyway.

So males have the good sense not to ask for directions. Directions, even if correct, are no substitute for a good map and the knowledge and spatial sense to use it.
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CatWoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-03 11:11 AM
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16. bah!!!!
humbug!!!!!!!!
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-03 12:00 PM
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19. Oh yeah look what it did for this guy


A single-engine plane sits in the median after it made an emergency landing on Interstate 89, Friday, Aug. 8, 2003, in Brookfield, Vt. The pilot, Tom Gates of Albany, N.Y., took off from the Barre-Montpelier airport in Berlin Friday morning and soon afterward noticed that the oil pressure in the plane was dropping. He reported to the airport that he planned to return, but the engine failed and he was forced to coast to a landing in the grassy strip that runs between the north and southbound lanes of the highway. (AP Photo/Toby Talbot)
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curse10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-03 10:15 AM
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3. not
n/t
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radwriter0555 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-03 04:30 PM
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33. Nope. We sure can't. I SUCK HUGE at math. When I was day trading
I had a total cheat sheet on my desk with the points and fractions all laid out. If I didn't have my cheat sheet with me, I'd call a friend long distance if I had to, to figure out a fraction thingy for me.

That I'm a mathematics moron didn't stop me from making a small fortune in day trading, go figure.

Percentages I can handle. I can do complex calculations for space and measuring... Can't add, fraction, subtract or multiply or divide.

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CatWoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-03 10:17 AM
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5. You may be on to something there
I suck at math.
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meti57b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-03 10:20 AM
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7. that's BS and you know it.
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ForrestGump Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-03 10:24 AM
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8. Men seem to have a problem judging distances, specifically
short distances.....like inches
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trof Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-03 10:25 AM
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10. And they throw funny.
<duck and cover>
;-)
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-03 10:27 AM
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11. I think this thread should be locked before the post counts gets too high
Just doing the gentlemanly thing.
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trof Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-03 10:35 AM
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12. And now for something serious
Ingram Reviews
Women hear and smell better than men. Men are better at math and chess. Feminist or chauvinist propaganda--or scientic observation? Brain Sex moves forward the argument about the differences between the sexes by revealing conclusions derived from meticulous research from all the world. Brain Sex is provocative, stimulating, and indispensable reading for anyone who lives with, works with, or is just curious about the opposite sex.
from Brain Sex: The Real Difference Between Men and Women
by Anne Moir, David Jessel
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0818405430/ref=pd_sim_books_2/002-5372699-1727238?v=glance&s=books#product-details

Best line in the book: "Men read maps, women read people."
I highly recommend this book, especially sections about homosexuality.
Guess what? It ain't a "choice".
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KCDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-03 01:39 PM
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22. bwahahahaha!!!
Men read maps? Surely, you jest. They'd probably be able to if there were naked women on the map.

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TXlib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-03 04:32 PM
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34. Not all men are as useless with maps as I, dear.
And in my defence, I get carsick really quickly when I read a map in a car, even if it's not moving.
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Maeve Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-03 10:37 AM
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13. There are three kinds of people in this world
Those who can count and those who can't.
:crazy:
And I'm the one who keeps the family checkbook balanced...to the penny!
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Drifter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-03 03:50 PM
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31. There are 10 kinds of people in this world ...
Edited on Fri Aug-08-03 03:51 PM by Drifter
Those who understand binary, and those who don't

Cheers
Drifter
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sujan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-03 10:48 AM
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15. you mean they can't count?
Dont think so.
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BiggJawn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-03 11:12 AM
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17. Then I must be a woman.
If they hadn't invent the Pocket Calculator, I would probably be homeless or dead from starvation today...

OK, I could always use a slide rule...
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Ellen Forradalom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-03 01:02 PM
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20. I wouldn't have gotten my computer science degree
if I couldn't hack the math.
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Drifter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-03 03:53 PM
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32. Yep ...
A computer is nothing more than a Math Box.

Cheers
Drifter
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Cassandra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-03 01:36 PM
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21. Bull
When I started college, I was a math major.
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buddhamama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-03 01:40 PM
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23. 4+4=7 5+5=9
must be true.


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Ramsey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-03 01:44 PM
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24. Totally untrue
I do think however there are educational handicaps imposed upon womne that are holdovers from perhaps the 50's when women were expected to do one of three things: be a teacher (and not a math teacher), a nurse or a secretary. None of which require significant math skills. My mom talks about this issue all the time, and she went to high school in the 50's. Women were not required to take math or science in high school, while the boys were. Girls were farmed off into home ec and such nonsense instead.

I went to high school in the 80's and at my all girl's school, we weren't required to take any math or science past tenth grade. I chose to take math (calculus) and advanced science through the end of senior year, but many girls didn't. We were required to take English, Literature, History, a lanaguage and an arts class all 4 years of high school.

And consider this, among how many married couples is it the wife who pays the bills and balances the checkbook? I'll wager it's the vast majority.
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MadHound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-03 01:52 PM
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25. Tell you what, ask my wife
Who has a BS in math and statistics, a masters in stat and economics, and a Phd in economics.

I'm the literary one in the family.
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-03 02:05 PM
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26. in the seventies I took four years of high school math
but I remember girls being discouraged from taking math classes
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GoddessOfGuinness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-03 02:11 PM
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27. I know an absolutely brilliant young woman who's
currently on a full scholarship as a math major at Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute. She's always loved math...always known that was the field in which she wished to apply herself.

She's also tall, slender, and beautiful. She's been offered modeling contracts, and could probably be quite successful in that field if she chose to pursue it. But she's never taken any of the offers. She'd miss math too much.

I consider it an uncommon privilege to know her.

My math skills and interests were slow to develop as a child, and I consider my present abilities to be average or maybe slightly above. I occasionally wonder if I'm mathematically dyslexic, particularly where finances are concerned; but I wouldn't say I'm incapable.
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Ohio Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-03 02:29 PM
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28. As a math teacher, I can tell you it's bs.
Many young girls are told (often by their mothers, who were told the same thing when they were young) that's it's okay if they can't do math. I've had parents tell me that their daughters are struggling in math because . . . they're girls. If you keep telling a child this, they start to believe it. And if they believe it, then it becomes the "truth." It's a self-fulfilling prophesy.

But its so much BS. People convince themselves they can't do math (or spell) at an early age, and they are often encouraged in this belief by their parents. And if the young person in question is female, they have the added burden of being told girls can't do math. As a result, they "can't."

As mentioned by another poster, this is a throwback to the fifties. Well, actually, it's probably a lot older than that. For many centuries, women were believed to be "too weak" to do anything except run the household (which was probably as rough as whatever their husbands were off doing). The "girls can't do math" myth is a result of centuries of social programming. And it's BS.
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ulysses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-03 05:11 PM
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38. yup. n/t
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Kamika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-03 03:06 PM
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29. not true but i cant
Im not only a woman im asian and i hate math hehe, hows that for racial stereotyping :D


damn i even get scared when theres math to be done
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sam sarrha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-03 03:46 PM
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30. it's because they have always been told >......< was 12 inches
:spank:
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TXlib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-03 04:34 PM
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35. 2+2 = 5
For sufficiently large values of 2.
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kathee Donating Member (321 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-03 04:55 PM
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36. I admit defeat
in the mathematical categories. ANYTHING math, and I high-tail it.I can spell and I'm fair at grammar.
But I do love the number nine.999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999

Gosh, but it's pretty..
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jenk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-03 05:11 PM
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37. my wife is pretty good with Math
Edited on Fri Aug-08-03 05:15 PM by jenk
as for me, I zoned out during 6th grade Algebra and never got caught up. Always struggled with C's and D's. Sometimes failing, but thank the school system for passing me along.

I still got into a good college despite a D in high school geometry.

of course I failed every single college algebra test badly, and had to frantically cheat just to get by.

math ignorance was no fun, but I'm a proud survivor. Now making 75k a year somehow........I guess Algebra was pointless.
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-03 05:30 PM
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39. "Those people" can't
WHATEVER. I file all such statements under "assumptions of superiority." I'm a hot ice dancer, I met an old Dorfmann, complete with incomprehensible dialect and beer belly, out in buttfuck Deutschland (oops! May I not use that word??? ;-) ) who sheparded me across the dance floor in HIGH-STYLE; my geeky piano playing friend, Matthias, GOT DE MOVES DOWN and I stayed with my last boyfriend, Carl Ludwig, MUCH longer than I perhaps should have, because we CLEARED the dance floor EVERYWHERE we went. Tanzen ist Leben. Leben ist Tanzen. Those who get it get up off their butts, those who don't sit and watch.

As far a math goes, my experience in taking advanced math classes (LOVED 'EM, WAS ALWAYS GOOD AT RECKONIN'- even in my head- no pencil and paper) was confronting this INCREDIBLY POISONOUS prejudice. NO. NO! NO!! <YOU> CANNOT be GOOD at this. The more I proved that hypothesis incorrect the more violent the attacks became. The "END" came for me when I worked out several programs to solve equations on our school computer, which at that time took up a whole room. I was SO proud of myself and handed in my printout. Our *female* teacher was OUTRAGED, saying I hadn't "done the work." I retorted that the only thing I did NOT do was the calculations and that she already knew I was quite proficient at those.

She was SO ANGRY, she immediately gave the whole class a pop quiz. She grabbed my paper off the desk as soon as our time was up and PRESTO CHANGO, I did all 10 problems correctly. By this time she had foam forming at the corners of her mouth and was SPITTING as she spoke, giving us all extra homework. My classmates were dumbfounded and offered to accompany me to complain to the administration. The year was almost over, I declined and never took another math course. I KNEW I could do it. I didn't need that doo-dah.
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geniph Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-03 05:34 PM
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40. No matter how hard I try
I cannot make 3 inches equal 9, no matter how many men tell me they do...
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SOteric Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-03 05:58 PM
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41. True? Notsomuch.
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Nikia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-03 06:01 PM
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42. I can
I placed fourteenth in the state as a sixth grader on a math test that most if not all sixth graders in the state took. Most of those that scored above me went to private schools. I always scored in the 99th percentile in math on all those standardized tests. I had a slight problem with algebra in eighth grade in learning it in that it took me more practice than I was used to in math and ended up with a B but I mastered it and went on to get all A's in my high school math classes. I the same problem learning calculus but believe that if I had continued with higher math, I would have excelled in it. When I took statistics later, I got every single question on all the tests and homework correct. Who says women can't do math?
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jenk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-03 06:05 PM
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43. stop showing off!!!
well....uhh



women are scatterbrained drivers! ; )
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Nikia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-03 06:27 PM
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44. Alright, I'm not a good driver
But not that bad.
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prez_sux Donating Member (88 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-03 09:27 PM
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45. my girlfriend just got a degree in accounting
and my sister can kick anybody's ass in Calculus/D.E.
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Valerie5555 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-03 09:29 PM
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46. Had found now that only the stuff like algebra in high school level
math :scared: the hell out of me speaking as a woman. For I found "it's all Persian to me"
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-03 09:57 PM
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47. False.
I know plenty of women who are great mathematicians.
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Cheswick2.0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-03 10:07 PM
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48. this woman can't
I got lost around long division and never recovered.
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