Which three states would you never live in.

[ccharles000]

1-Mississippi
2-Alabama
3-oklahoma

[Fox Mulder]

1. 1. Mississippi

2. Alabama
3. Texas

[Arkham House]

2. Texas, Utah, Mississippi

Texas, for a number of obvious reasons, but above all for the heat...Mississippi similarly...and Utah--well, that's fairly obvious too, I suspect...

[Starbucks Anarchist]

3. Utah, Montana, Idaho.

I've lived in Texas and Mississippi, though. :P

[Left Is Write]

71. You wouldn't come and live next door to me?

[Starbucks Anarchist]

96. Maybe I'd only visit.

:P

[Taverner]

4. I...I don't...under...stand

Live somewhere besides California?

But why?

:P

[Angleae]

88. Do you want the list?

I can think of several reasons, and I grew up is SoCal.

[Angleae]

89. Why limit it to three?

Alaska (WAY to cold)
Arizona (WAY to hot)
Florida (Hurricanes monthly)
Hawaii (sorry, no islands)
New Jersey (cesspool of the atlantic)
New Mexico (see arizona)
Texas (been there, done that, didn't get the t-shirt, not going back)
Utah (fundamentalist central)
Wyoming (where even the buffalo won't roam)

[TZ]

5. mine

Mississipi, Texas, Alabama..I'd add Ohio cause I used to live there and don't want to go back...sorry.

[terrya]

6. 1) Idaho, 2) South Carolina, 3) Mississippi

[Droopy]

7. Connecticut, Florida, New Jersey

It's all based on traffic. I don't care about the politics. I'm a trucker. :)

[bigwillq]

20. Yeah, CT traffic does indeed suck.

I was out on the road all day today. I-95 was a mess. :mad:

[Ysabel]

8. i will never live anywhere else in the united states other than where i am now...

- it's either here forever or bust...

[YellowRubberDuckie]

9. Hey now.

LIVING in Oklahoma isn't bad. We just have some fucked up politicians.

1. California
2. Louisiana
3. Texas

[lizerdbits]

10. OK

1. Mississippi- spent 2 semesters at MSU. My roommate's statements that "In the south, whites are just smarter than blacks" and "I don't know why anyone would want to be Jewish since they're going to hell" seemed to be pretty common opinions among other college freshman who seemed to believe they're some wild liberals since they weren't wearing corsets. Also don't have what would be considered "autumn" or "winter." It's more like "not flaming ass hot" and "sort of cool."

2. Alabama- been there on business. In July. Birmingham had some good food though.

3. Texas- I don't understand the "Don't mess with Texas" thing, are they paranoid?

[XemaSab]

32. Don't mess with Texas

is an anti-litter campaign. :D

[TZ]

33. That damn song "God Blessed Texas"

Kind of sums up for me why I don't want to live in Texas..well that an every Texan I've met on the dance floor things they are gods gift to dancing when in reality they SUCK....

[LostInAnomie]

11. 1. Mississippi

2. Alabama
3. South Carolina
4. Oklahoma
5. Texas

[Lyric]

12. Texas, Arizona, New Mexico

I hate dry heat.

[Lady Effingbroke]

13. Dry heat?

Here in Houston it's more of a wet heat. :P

Much more.

:(

[Lyric]

22. Well, Texas was for a different reason.

Their horrible chili and barbeque of course! :P

:hide:

*waves Carolina barbeque flag*

[Lady Effingbroke]

24. Carolina barbeque is some good eatin' !

:hi:

However, I must admit to not caring for bean-infested chili.

[stuntcat]

39. you got that right

:headbang: NCBBQP!

Well I don't eat meat now.. but ours is still the best!!

[Lady Effingbroke]

14. Utah, New Jersey, Texas.

Oh, wait...

[LostinVA]

45. Why NJ?

It's completely different from Utah or Texas. It's a liberal state and it's quite pretty.

[rucky]

15. the Dakotas

and Texas

[femmocrat]

16. Only 3? But there are so many!

I agree on these 3:

1. Texas
2. Mississippi
3. Alabama

[newmajority]

17. Texas, Florida, Connecticut.

All three states have elected members of the Bush Crime Family, and one of them elected Lieberman, even when presented with a golden opportunity to get rid of him.

[Chan790]

81. Hey!

How the f! were we supposed to get rid of him when there wasn't even a (R) in the race. He got the Republican vote and a very-small part of the Democratic vote. Seriously...if there had been a republican in the race...Ned Lamont would be the senator from CT now.

[newmajority]

82. Should have passed the same law most other states have

In those states, you lose the primary, you don't get to switch parties and run again in the general. Lieberdouche would have been history as of November 2006.

[Alexander]

87. He lost the primary partly because he was running on two tickets...

He announced he would run as an Independent before the primary took place.

Democrats didn't like that and voted his ass out.

With a law like that, he would never have ran as an Independent, and the voter backlash would never have occurred. His loss to Lamont was razor-thin (51%-49%) and he probably would've been renominated had such a law passed.

Bottom line, we would have been stuck with him anyway.

[loveable liberal]

18. Alabama, Mississippi, Kaliphornya, South Dakota.

All just because.

[Taverner]

36. You hate us for our freedom

[loveable liberal]

50. No, I love you for your freedom....

Your freedom is too free, much too free. That much freedom makes me uncomfortable and itchy. I like just the right amount of freedom. Free, but not too free. Absolute freedom corrupts absolutely.

[La Coliniere]

19. Mine are

1-South Carolina
2-South Carolina
3-South Carolina

[Breeze54]

21. Alabama, Georgia, Florida n/t

[trof]

23. Despair, Denial, Panic

[Critters2]

25. California, Texas, Florida. If I have to limit it to three. nt

[Arugula Latte]

26. It's easier to say the states I would live in.

I'd live in Oregon, Washington, California, Hawaii ... maybe Washington DC (again). Maybe Vermont (too cold for me, though ... brrr). Maybe New Mexico, even though it's too landlocked for my liking.

The rest of the states ... Nope. Don't think so. I wouldn't mind a nice apartment in Manhattan for part of the year, however. :)

on edit: The three states I would really, truly not like to live in are Utah, South Carolina, and Texas.

[Speck Tater]

27. Only 3! I can think of 49 just off hand. NT

[lost-in-nj]

37. So you like

Jersey ?!?!?!?

:shrug:





:hide:


lost


:hi:

[Speck Tater]

65. Hehe. I like ORYGUN. NT

[ZombieHorde]

28. East of the Rocky Mountians.

[pokerfan]

29. Any of the southern states

[PBS Poll-435]

30. Agreed.

You picked my 3.

[XemaSab]

31. Here are mine:

Oklahoma, Nebraska, South Dakota.

Hard to pick just three. :P

[jmowreader]

34. Texas, Florida, Georgia

[Faygo Kid]

109. Me, too. I lived in Florida for a while.

Fort Lauderdale.

Yuck.

Nice places to visit in all three states, but live there? Not a chance.

[jmowreader]

117. Politics and religion aren't why I'm avoiding Florida

I've been to Florida one time--in the fall of 1992, and I went to Homestead. My unit ran Relief Center No. 1, right across the street from Campbell Drive Middle School.

I figure if any state can be devastated that badly by one hurricane, I don't want to live there.

[Sequoia]

144. Same here

and South Carolina, The Dakotas (only 'cause it gets so cold).

[GreenPartyVoter]

35. Any place hot or majorly repub/rabidly religious

[newmajority]

75. So this is just a guess, but....

Utah's probably on your list? :evilgrin:

[zingaro]

38. TX, MS, FL. Way too hot for me. nt

[emilyg]

40. Miss., Al., Washington.

edit to include Fl. - big bugs that fly.

[newmajority]

76. Why would you include Washington with Mississippi, Alabama, or Florida?

:(

[emilyg]

83. Just seems too rugged for me.

[arcadian]

41. Kashmir, Chechnya, Nagorno-Karabakh

pretty bad

[newmajority]

77. Led Zeppelin didn't think so

Well, not about Kashmir anyway.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=73dvrir5kig

[arcadian]

95. Yeah, the old Kashmir was cool.

Like the old Beirut.

[greenbriar]

42. The cold ones

Alaska
Wisconsin
South/North Dakota
Minnesota
Maine
Vermont
New Hampshire

[geardaddy]

102. Did you put those in order of coldness?

Because MN should be closer to the top. :P

[undeterred]

43. Texas, Florida, Indiana

Well I might live in Indiana, I just don't like driving through it.

[JeanGrey]

44. Mississippi and Alabama, no but I love Oklahoma.

I don't care for their politics but Oklahoma is WILD country with big sky - big summers and big winters. I would have loved to lived during the Land Rush time. Plus there are some wonderful towns in Oklahoma like Broken Arrow that are a bargain to live in.

I wouldn't live in any other state above the Mason Dixon line. I grew up in Ohio and although I miss Christmas Eve snow, I couldn't stand the weather in the north.

[littlebit]

46. .....

1-Arkansas
2-New Jersey
3-Connecticut

[closeupready]

47. Those are good choices, but from a more realistic perspective,

since who really ever moves into Alabama or Mississippi?, I would say,

1. Florida
2. Texas
3. Georgia

So many runners up, though. :evilgrin:

[Skittles]

48. California, Florida, Mississippi n/t

[Tuesday Afternoon]

49. Nebraska, Oklahoma, Kansas ... any intereior state

fuck that.

[begin_within]

51. Texas, Texas and Texas

[struggle4progress]

52. South Carolina, Florida, Hawaii

South Carolina and Florida cuz they're nutz

Hawaii cuz it's too far from anywhere else I might wanna go

[reyd reid reed]

53. 1. California...

...been there, done that, ain't goin' back.

2. Texas...we won't go into the reasons, m'kay?

3. Kansas....just because it's Kansas.

[Deja Q]

54. Confusion, Despair, Decay

:rofl:

[Inchworm]

97. Despair, Decay, and Virginia

I live in a constant state of confusion but have legal issue with Virginia :D

:hi:

[Deja Q]

106. Virginia? Never forget, it's not a clown car.

[flvegan]

55. Any state that has tarantulas as native species.

edit: spelling icky spiders went awry

[LeftyMom]

116. Florida has Mexican Redrump Tarantulas (Brachypelma vagans)

They're invasive, but if we want to be technical so are you, and they've been there longer.

[RT Atlanta]

56. I've lived in No. 2

I have traveled through Miss. and, while the geography is beautiful (to me), there are too many entrenched social issues for me to live there. I went to college in AL, and while a good experience, I wouldn't repeat it (for the same reasons as Miss.). I have no personal knowledge of Okie from which to pass judgment.

Cheers!

[KitchenWitch]

57. ..

Confusion

Gaseous

Liquid

[TZ]

64. Heh. With apologies to you KW...

I really should have added Minnesota to my list..I can't get past the damn snow and cold at the end of April when I was up there.....:P

[KitchenWitch]

79. It is normally not like that in late April.

[grasswire]

58. Texas, Florida.....

...and whichever other southern state has the most snakes and bugs.

[Gidney N Cloyd]

60. Don't forget really creepy lizards.

[Wcross]

59. I LOVE northeast Alabama, I am thinking about buying some land down there.

Seriously. It is beautiful to me.

[SPKrazy]

61. Texas, Alabama, North Dakota

Texas too hot, to conservative, too conceited in many ways

Alabama, well, Neil Young said it best, sorry Lynyrd Skynyrd, Sweet Home it may be, but not thanks

North Dakota, well, just because I don't want to be an ice cube lost in a blizzard I guess.

I'd also say a few even though they are beautiful states: Utah because of the lack of church and state separation; Wyoming because it is Dick Cheney's home state :puke: ; Kansas, well sorry Kansans, I can't handle all the wheat fields and flat land for miles and miles and miles and miles and miles... boring straight roads :P

Okay, enough bashing, all states have good and bad. Except Utah... mostly bad

[Lorien]

66. Those would be my three choices as well

I live in a state that sucks as it is; Florida. Fortunately I live in a very liberal historic district, close to all the cultural stuff and everything I need, so I'm not too unhappy here.

[PeaceNikki]

62. I could never live in the South due to oppressive heat.

People bitch about the cold... but I, for one, could not STAND the 90+ degree days for weeks/months at a time. No thanks! Plus I really REALLY enjoy the change of season; winter offers such a "crispness" that can't be replicated and it makes me enjoy/appreciate the spring/summer/fall so much more. In addition, freshly fallen snow, while a PITA a lot of the time, is SO beautiful.

[GOPisEvil]

63. Sorry, this is just thinly veiled South-bashing.

All of you that don't want to move to Texas, stay out. We're full, especially Austin.

[amitten]

74. Damn right--stay out of Austin!!!!

We're having waaaaay too much fun down here. :hi:

[Maddy McCall]

90. They couldn't take it anyway.

Bunch of wussies.

:hug:

[PeaceNikki]

114. I'll be the first to admit that I couldn't take it!

The heat is so much harder for me to deal with than the cold.

[Flying Dream Blues]

131. Where's the thin veil? :) nt

[GOPisEvil]

263. Well, I don't suppose it was the OP's intent.

However, everyone else just took if for granted that the South is a veritable shithole inhabited by inbred morons. ;)

[galledgoblin]

67. MS, GA and FL

yes, I know there are lovely places and communities within those states, but the overall social environment just does not appeal to me.

[Tektonik]

68. .

Alabama
Mississippi
Utah

[MrScorpio]

69. I'll never go back to Alabama, Texas and never, ever Utah

Damn skippy

[Left Is Write]

70. Never say never, but...

Mississippi, Alabama, Arkansas

[amitten]

72. Florida, Arkansas, Mississippi. n/t

[Withywindle]

73. Anywhere that's hot and doesn't have real winters.

I also agree with flvegan that any state with tarantulas is RIGHT the fuck out. :scared:

[TrogL]

78. The continental United States, Alaska or Hawaii

[krispos42]

80. The former Confederacy, the West Coast, and the Northeast south of Massachusettes

The former Confederacy: I'm not moving to a sweaty-balls state. Connecticut when it was 90 degrees and 80% humidity was enough. Besides, I like winter. I don't want to decorate a cactus or palm tree with lights, or see Santa Claus in a faux-fir thong.


The West Coast: I'm not moving into an earthquake zone, a tsunami zone, a volcano zone, or a brushfire zone. At least in the Midwest, when there'a a tornado they have time to sound a siren so you can get under cover. The sirens went off four times today, and I had ample opportunity to fire up the computer and check the radar. And I'm not going to pay extra for the priviledge of living close by a beach that I don't like going to.

Northeast south of Massachusettes: Too cramped, too busy, too much traffic, too many tolls. And Massachusettes has those damn roundabouts. Maine, Vermont, and New Hampshire I can see living in.

[bicentennial_baby]

100. Please call them by their correct name...Rotaries.

Thank you

:P

[newmajority]

104. I thought their correct name was "Pain in the Ass"

Yeah, we have them here now too. And they suck. :puke:

[krispos42]

111. Oh...

...I thought they were called "fuckin' rotaries".



My bad...


:P

[BulletproofLandshark]

84. Mississippi, Alabama, Utah

[Lil Missy]

85. Texas, Texas, and Texas

[lutefisk]

86. California and Hawaii

I would really like to live in one of those two states, but the real estate prices make it impossible.

[wickerwoman]

91. Anything south of Oregon to Maryland.

Sorry California... just too damn hot. And no states that aren't near significant bodies of water. And not Pennsylvania. Basically I'd live in Washington, Michigan, Minnesota, Illinois, West Virginia (I make exception for states with cute guys) or New England.

[NuttyFluffers]

267. ? California also gets a lot of snow, too.

around Eureka and Sierra Nevadas is anything but hot. and San Francisco in the summer is positively frigid. :P

[WinkyDink]

92. Texas, Alabama, Iowa.

[Amaya]

93. Utah, Florida, Ohio

nt

[Enthusiast]

105. Ohio?

Ohio? I don't get it.

[yellowdogintexas]

94. all those really cold ones up on the Canadian border

my arthritis just couldn't take cold weather for that much of the year.

Our little tiny winter here in North TX is enough

for economic reasons I don't think I would want to live in Michigan or Ohio or INdiana right now.

West Virginia definitely no

I actually enjoy living in Texas

[Zavulon]

98. Texas, New Mexico, Arizona.

I hope never to set foot in any of them again.

[cprompt]

99. Anything but the North

1)New Jersey
2)Minnesota
3)N. Dakota

I prefer living in the South, actually here in Mississippi. Granted the vast majority of this state is backasswards the parts of it (Desoto Co.,Oxford,Tupelo,Gulfport,Biloxi,some extent Jackson) that are nice are wonderful.

I've been fortunate enough to travel with work a very extensive amount and maybe it was just growing up here that made me not want to live anywhere in the cold, but in the past few months I've been to Rochester, NY; Oakland, CA; Cleveland, OH; etc and I don't see how anyone that has lived in these areas can compare them to Atlanta, San Antonio, and Memphis. To each his own I guess, I can say anyone I've ever met, North, South, Midwest, West Coast, etc agrees MS, AL, GA have the best looking women.

[NV Whino]

101. Texas, Florida and um...

Texas.

[geardaddy]

103. Here are mine:

1-Indiana
2-Iowa
3-SODAK

[Zuiderelle]

107. I never say never.

I always end up living in places I say I'd never live, so I've learned my lesson.

[Midlodemocrat]

108. Same here.

I think you just make the best of it and it all works out.

[Zuiderelle]

110. Yep. And you learn a lot along the way.

[Deja Q]

112. Bliss, Contentedness, Orgasmic

:yoiks:

[mcctatas]

113. Anywhere south of the Manson/Nixon line....

[Pool Hall Ace]

115. Ohio, Florida, Alabama

Yuck to all three :thumbsdown:

[Shell Beau]

118. I hate these kinds of threads because they always seem to turn

into some sort of south bashing. Whether it is done purposely or not. As you can see here, most people seem to hate Texas, Alabama and Mississippi. I am sure a lot have never even been to those states.

[TZ]

120. The problem is Shell Beau

That actually alot of people have had bad experiences in the south..My former roomie/coworker lizerdbits has shared stories of her time in Mississipi..and it makes me really want to avoid the state. While I understand not all places are like that..I've been to Georgia, W.Va, Tenn..and some of the other "sterotyped" places and have seen some really alarming/scary things...and some really nice friendly people but...of course the bad experiences tend to stand out in ones mind
Not that I think where I live is any better..The largest Klan camp in the state is just up the road from me (Thurmont, MD)...But I think alot of people HAVE experienced some unpleasantness.

[Shell Beau]

122. That is the thing. You can have those terrible experiences in

every single state. Maybe not the weather issues, and those I don't mind. But people assume that the southern states are all backwards. I believe I could find the same exact things in all of the other states.

[Zuiderelle]

176. You could find them, but you couldn't find them as easily.

[Shell Beau]

200. Ok, you are the know all. I give it to you.

[Zuiderelle]

203. If you don't have a response, it's better to just leave it, rather than act passive aggressively

like that. That's just insulting.

[Shell Beau]

209. Well, I am not gay so I can't possibly know anything on this subject. That

is the jist of what you have said to me. I try to bring up the gay friends I have and what I have gathered from them and there I go bringing up the "I have gay friends". I find that insulting.

[Zuiderelle]

211. It's not because you're not gay that you don't understand what gay people experience.

I really have no idea why you don't understand.

[Shell Beau]

215. Well help me then. You told me I couldn't possibly understand since I

am not gay. And I agree with that. I don't know personally what it feels like to have someone bash me for being gay. But now you are telling me it isn't because I am not gay that I don't understand.

[Zuiderelle]

217. No I did not say that. Please find and quote where I said that.

You may not understand because you're not gay, but it doesn't mean that you couldn't possibly understand because you're not gay. I know VERY MANY straight people who do understand. I have no idea why you don't.

[Shell Beau]

219. I feel as though I understand as much as I can.

I know that life is generally going to be harder on any minority.

[TZ]

121. delete

[La Lioness Priyanka]

127. i also hate iran, having never been to iran. as a gay person, i have a right to want to live some

where safe and hospitable to me.

i dont know why anyone could possibly be offended by that.

[Shell Beau]

129. Ok, don't compare Iran to Mississippi or the south. That is just insulting.

You can want to live wherever you want. But many people here go on stereotypes without having any real knowledge of what goes on here in the south. And stereotypes suck. I am always offended by them.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

130. my point is people hate places they havent been to. you dont have to go somewhere to not want to go

there.

if you hate large cities, and wanted to avoid nyc, i would hardly take that personally

also if you dont like traffic, i would personally advise you to avoid all cities in india.

[Shell Beau]

135. But this is saying something about the people that live here. Not

about the traffic, weather, etc.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

136. aren't people just saying place they dont want to live in?

i for instance do not ever want to live outside of a large, liberal, gay friendly city with good public transportation. so i dont want to live in most states.

the less liberal the state, the less i want to live there.

[Zuiderelle]

153. I agree with Lionesspriyanka. Texas is one of the most unwelcoming for gays, except maybe in

Austin and some of the larger cities like Dallas and Houston (and only in certain areas even there, not like it is in NYC where gays are simply everywhere :)). But step outside those cities just a few miles, and you find extreme bias against gays and other minorities.

Since we're talking states and not cities, I think it's valid that a lot of people are pointing out Texas and some other southern states as places they would not want to live.

[raccoon]

119. Well, Texas sucks. So does

Alabama, Alaska, Arkansas,.....Wyoming, all in various ways. :shrug:

[snooper2]

123. I love how everyone lists Texas

:rofl:

We have some of the cheapest housing per square foot, no State income taxes, no taxes on un-prepared food. Our roads are not crumbling ( with the exception of 35 south between Dallas/Austin :) ). We have one of the strongest housing markets in the nation, and you can still find a job here.

Oh, we do have a real shitty Gov. but that fuckhead has no real power...

[madinmaryland]

142. You also have America's Team!!1!!

:woohoo:

[TZ]

232. You just supplied another reason to hate Texas ya know...

My stepfather literally does not want to get anywhere near Dallas cause he hates the Boyz so much....:o

[ceile]

273. That's fine w/ me!

Sick of everyone coming here anyways and taking my cheap housing and clogging my roads w/ their shitty driving. Yeah, that's right. I'm talking to you California! :hi:

[Bake]

124. I knew it. WHY does everybody list Mississippi?

Bake

[Shell Beau]

126. They always do!!!

We don't want them here anyway.

[TZ]

128. I'm sorry Bake..but I hear too much of this kind of stuff...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=105&topic_id=7936816&mesg_id=7936857
Especially being Jewish..To really want to live in Mississippi...I try to be open minded but...

[Shell Beau]

134. It doesn't happen here any more than anywhere else.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

138. i think you are delusional if you think homophobia, antisemitism and racism

do not vary by region, state and culture.

[Shell Beau]

140. I think you are delusional if you think it is worse here than NYC, etc.

It is everywhere.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

141. having been gay and travelled, i know you are wrong. nt

[Shell Beau]

143. Ok! I too have travelled. Maybe I am not gay, but I have been to NYC and

know many people from there. They seem to disagree with your opinion too. When was the last time you came down to MS? Just curious.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

145. i have travelled to virginia several times and i think its laughable if you think

homophobia in nyc is comparable to that in VA.

[Shell Beau]

147. I haven't been to Virginia so I wouldn't know.

And I didn't ask the last time you were in Virginia. That is nowhere near MS.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

148. you were arguing that states are all the same when it comes to homophobia

in our earlier conversation.

if a jewish person feels that they are more threatened in one state than another, i believe them rather than one who hasnt had to deal with it

[Shell Beau]

149. I think they are. People are homophobic everywhere.

I don't believe it is regional.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

151. i think you are very very wrong. there is homophobia everywhere but the quality, quantity and

intensity differ enough to make some places safe and others just not.

[Shell Beau]

154. What do you base your info on?

[IndianaJones]

158. the south. nt.

[Zuiderelle]

159. Take a look at the states that have hate crime protections, or ones that include sexual orientation

in their anti-discrimination policies, or those that encourage affirmative action in their state hiring policies, or those that offer domestic partner benefits. These are all policies that are made and/or influenced by the public at large, in the form of their votes, either for or against those policies, or their election of representatives who do or do not support those policies. It is very much a sign of the people in those states.

The evidence is everywhere.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

163. the state of LGBT rights in the south. the news that comes about gay people in the south

i read a lot of gay news. the politicians that are voted in by the people.

[SacredCow]

225. I'm in Louisiana...

So I'm right next door to Mississippi and travel through there frequently.

I'm kind of in the middle on this. Generally speaking, I agree that the south has been much slower to progress than many other areas of the country. In June, I went to DC and was rather surprised (and excited) about how much more open and accepting that city was.

However, there are cities and communities within the south that are just as accepting. The problem is that they are nowhere close to large areas. But, they're growing- albeit slowly.

[Zuiderelle]

234. No argument there. There are some places that have progressed VERY well.

But as you said, more slowly. FWIW, I am not saying gay people shouldn't live in the South... if they didn't we'd get nowhere... so more power to you for living there. I did my time already :)

For some people though, since they have a choice (or if they had a choice), the choice would not be the South because of the slowness in progressing, and because there is more equality and more hope for the future in other states that are not in the South. At least there is hope that NY will have gay marriage soon, they are fighting to recognize other states' marriages. At least Massachusetts has gay marriage and will soon allow people from other states to be married there. At least New Jersey has civil unions. No it's not equal but it's progress. Texas and Louisiana and Mississippi aren't anywhere CLOSE to accepting that level of equality.

[SacredCow]

254. I've lived in Louisiana my entire 37 years....

I can't find much fault with anything you say, but still- I can't say that living here and being gay has ever been much of a problem for me. The marriage thing isn't a concern for me, personally, as I'm not planning on getting married EVER again- straight OR gay! And I've never in my life encountered an episode here in Louisiana where I felt threatened in any way simply because of my sexuality. In fact, the only place that I've ever even been called out was Key West (ironically enough- but it was probably a tourist from some back-asswards place!)

Will I live here for the rest of my life? I don't know. I LOVE LOVE LOVE to ski, so when my son gets older I very well might relocate someplace where I can indulge more often. And, no doubt, the level of progression of gay rights will certainly be a deciding factor, too.

I think this whole argument can be summed up with a YMMV!

[La Lioness Priyanka]

229. when anti gay marriage laws passed, they passed by the HIGHEST margins in mississipi

6 to 1

http://www.stateline.org/live/ViewPage.action?siteNodeId=136&languageId=1&contentId=15576

[Shell Beau]

236. I also saw where it listed quite a few northern states as well.

[Zuiderelle]

249. The point being that Mississipi passed it SIX to ONE... Higher than any northern state.

[Shell Beau]

251. Oh! The point was that MS was the worst. Well, I read the whole thing

and MS didn't seem like the worst to me.

"The amendments in Mississippi, Montana and Oregon refer only to marrriage, specifying that it should be limited to unions of one man and one woman. The measures in Arkansas, Georgia, Kentucky, Michigan, North Dakota, Ohio, Oklahoma and Utah call for a ban on civil unions or other partnership benefits as well."

But y'all are right, it is limited to the southern states.

[Zuiderelle]

253. Read it again then. Here's the direct quote to make it easier for you:

"The amendments passed with a 3-to-1 margin in Kentucky, Georgia and Arkansas, 3-to-2 in Ohio and 6-to-1 in Mississippi. Bans passed by narrower margins in Oregon, about 57 percent, and Michigan, about 59 percent. "

[Shell Beau]

256. Yeah I saw that. How kind of you to go through the trouble of

underlining it and making it bold. However, I read the WHOLE thing.

Plus I have had enough. We can go in circles all day long. I just don't feel like it anymore. This has gotten old. If it makes you feel better, we can pretend like you won. I don't care. I am done.

[Zuiderelle]

257. And the WHOLE thing still doesn't change that Mississippi passed it by the WIDEST margin of all.

You don't admit that there are more republicans in the South voting against our equality? Really???????

You can be done all you want, you've never really been arguing anyway.

[Starbucks Anarchist]

277. There are much higher degrees of it in the south than other places.

Recently, David Patterson, the governor of New York, said he would sign a gay-marriage bill.

Have any southern governors, officials, etc., done anything remotely similar to this? Even in NY, Patterson risks offending a slice of the electorate, but by and large, most NYers agree with his stance or are indifferent to it at worst.

A southern governor couldn't get away with it if he tried, and that's partly because a majority of their constituents are against basic civil rights -- look at the anti-gay marriage amendments that passed recently, many of which occurred in the south, then compare it to places like California, Massachussetts or New York, and their stances on gay marriage.

[Bake]

169. I have been, literally all over the US.

There are assholes everywhere. And there are good people everywhere, too.

Lemme tell you a story. The second month after I had moved to Jackson, MS, I had to go to court down in Natchez (that's down in the southwest corner of the state). It was late June, and hot as three days in hell. I left the courthouse, and I'm wearing a freakin' suit, of course. About five miles out of Natchez, my old car overheats and dies. Steam/smoke/whatever coming out from under the hood. I got out of the car, took off my jacket and loosened my tie. By this time I've already sweated through my shirt. I look under the hood and have no idea what's wrong. So I thought maybe it just needed to cool down.

About ten minutes later a black guy in a pickup truck stops and offers to help. He sees the problem right away - a busted water hose. But he doesn't have the tools to fix it. He goes back to his truck and calls a buddy of his to come help. His buddy, it turns out, is a great big ol' southern white redneck fella, and he's got his toolbox, jugs of water AND coolant in the back of his truck. About five minutes under my hood, and they've got me up and running. They probably saved my life.

Here's the kicker. I offered them what cash I had, about $20 each, for their trouble, and THEY WOULDN'T TAKE IT!

Try THAT in Cincinnati. Or Cleveland. Or New York.

Bake

[Zuiderelle]

174. That's happened to me very often in NY and other northern places.

Are you insinuating that people in the North would take the money in the same circumstance? That's ludicrous.

[Shell Beau]

177. No more ludicrous than assuming your life will be in danger if you are

gay and live in the south.

[Zuiderelle]

178. It's a plain fact that gay people are more at risk in the South.

I'm surprised that you don't know that.

[Shell Beau]

181. Plain fact. Really?

Explain that to all my gay friends.

[Zuiderelle]

192. I love when people bring the "I have gay friends therefore I know all about you gay people"

into the conversation. You have no idea.

[Shell Beau]

198. I didn't say I know all about "you" gay people. I can only

go on what my friends have confided in me. I am not gay, so, no I have no experience there. But my friends and I talk about their experiences. And their experiences are just as legitimate as yours.

[Zuiderelle]

201. And have they lived in the North? Have you really asked them what the differences are?

I would be MORE than surprised to hear a gay person say that the South is a better place to live.

[Shell Beau]

206. Well come on down and be prepared for a surprise.

A lot of people actually like it here. Gay or not.

[Zuiderelle]

210. I'm sure there are things they like, like not shoveling snow... but this whole conversation

is about where you would not want to live. Many of us have very valid reasons for not wanting to live in the South, yet you responded that people who say they don't like the South have probably never lived there. Now it seems like you don't really even want to know the reasons why.

I liked my swimming pool, and I liked not shoveling snow, and I like the open spaces, and even the heat, but in the end, the lack of progressiveness of the majority of the people around me (evidenced by the elected officials and policies if nothing else) won out, and the South is a place I would never want to live again.

[Shell Beau]

218. I believe a lot of these people who named these states haven't

ever been there and are just going on things they have been hearing forever about the south. You've lived here. At least you have a real basis for your opinion.

[Zuiderelle]

220. And probably many people rely on the opinions of other people, or of articles in the news

like the one about the gay couple's house and cars being vandalized in Oklahoma and the police not treating it as a hate crime. How should people draw their conclusions?

[Bake]

188. Funny, the subject of sexual orientation never came up in my story.

Where was it that the Shepard kid was tied to a fence and beaten to death? Oh wait. That wasn't Mississippi, was it.

Bake

[Zuiderelle]

191. Shell Beau interjected that bit into this subthread, not me.

Where was it that the black man was tied behind a truck and dragged to death? Texas. The South.

[Shell Beau]

193. No no Shell Beau did not. Lioness did.

[Zuiderelle]

194. You answered MY post by saying something about gays being in danger... I didn't bring it into this

subthread of dbaker's. You did. I responded to him about his story about someone not accepting money, and then you responded to me with the bit about gay people being more at risk in the south. Then he responded to ME asking what my response to you meant. Hilarious.

:rofl:

[Shell Beau]

195. I was thinking along gay lines because of the conversation Lioness

and I were having. I wasn't even thinking that way to begin with. My point originally was that many people dislike the south and have never been there. I didn't bring up racism, sexism, or homophobia. It only came up when Lioness said something about being safer in NY as a gay person.

[Zuiderelle]

199. Of course you didn't think about it. Being gay is probably the primary reason I don't like the South

so, of course it makes sense to bring it up, when you claim that people don't like the South for NO reason. There are plenty of reasons to not like the south.

NY is most definitely a safer place for a gay person. Look what happened to this gay couple in Oklahoma:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=221&topic_id=79916&mesg_id=79916

If that had happened in NYC, it would have been treated, rightfully, as a hate crime. But not in the South. No... it's just vandalism. Nothing to see here.

[Shell Beau]

202. I am not gay so I can't possibly have an opinion on the south.

[Zuiderelle]

205. No, but you apparently don't understand what gay people go through.

Or you wouldn't act so cavalier about it in your responses. I lived in the South for very, very many years. I know what I'm talking about.

[Shell Beau]

212. I live in the south now. I am not gay, but I have eyes.

Things are progressing and I am proud of that. They aren't where they need to be, but this whole country isn't where I think it needs to be.

[Zuiderelle]

213. I agree that the whole country isn't where it needs to be, or I'd be married.

But it doesn't change the fact that the South is taking much longer to progress.

[Bake]

221. I guess I'd better warn my next-door neighbors that they are in danger.

The nurses next door. Gosh, what are they thinking, out walking their dogs every evening?????

Bake

[Zuiderelle]

222. Making fun of this issue doesn't really help. Being More at risk, doesn't mean they have to fear

for their lives every second. But it does mean that they aren't as well-protected if they are put at risk because they are gay.

You making light of gay people's experience says a lot about you.

I'm sure these men aren't laughing, what if this happened to your next door neighbors? Would you think it was a hate crime? Would it bother you that it wasn't considered to be one, and that the police couldn't treat it as anything more than vandalism?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=221&topic_id=79916&mesg_id=79916

[Bake]

230. I'm not sure if your response is directed at me, but I'm not making fun of anything.

There's nothing funny about the issue under discussion, and frankly I resent your suggestion (if it is aimed at me) that I'm making light of gay people's experience. I'm saying, simply, that people in the my community are as accepting as anywhere I've lived or been, short of, perhaps, San Francisco. My neighbors are lovely people, long-time residents, and nobody treats them with any disrespect, and if anyone did, the entire community would defend them (and I'd be the first in line). Further, I'd add that given their professional skills, I'm sure they could live anywhere they choose, but I haven't seen a moving truck pull up to their house.

Bake

[Zuiderelle]

238. Your answer was "Gosh, what are they thinking, out walking their dogs every evening?????"

How is that not making fun? Sounded pretty snarky to me. Resent all you like.

You cannot base all gay experience on one couple who lives next door to you, no matter how much you would like to.

[Bake]

207. Texas is its own region anyway!

But look, you can come up with horror stories everywhere. Where did the cops shove a broomstick up Amadou Diallo's backside? New York. Or was he the guy that was gunned down on his front porch by seven or eight cops? That was in New York too. Where was Rodney King beaten half to death? L.A. Where was Reginald Denny pulled out of his truck and beaten with bricks? L.A. Matthew Shepard was murdered in Idaho, if I recall correctly.

Bad shit happens everywhere. If you don't want to live in the South, fine. Nobody's saying you have to. But if you choose to believe uninformed steretypes about the South, or anyplace else, you're simply wrong. In fact, you can believe whatever you want to believe, just don't go spouting it off as fact.

Bake

[Zuiderelle]

214. Yeah, bad things happen everywhere... just as good things happen everywhere.

But when the policies and laws and elected officials in one place don't protect people as well as they do in other places, then it simply IS a fact that it is not as good a place for some people to live.

[Bake]

224. And if you think hate-crimes legislation actually protects anybody, you're mistaken

But that opens up a whole new can of worms, so to speak. Assaults, beatings, murders - these have always been illegal, and laws pproscribing those actions haven't exactly kept them from occurring.

And as far as gay marriage, I am only aware of two states that sanction it.

But as I said before, if you don't want to live in the South, or the West, or anywhere else, nobody's forcing you to do so.

Bake

[Zuiderelle]

228. It does protect to a certain extent. And it certainly helps in cases of vandalism.

If the vandalism is treated as an actual threat, since it obviously is in that case that I linked to, it would definitely help to protect the victims.

I've already said elsewhere that we aren't where we need to be in the country as a whole (re. gay marriage, etc.), but it doesn't change the fact that we're ahead of the South in many regards.

I think it's funny how uptight everyone in the South gets when someone asks where people wouldn't want to live, and the answer is some state in the south, and they give good reasons for it, and then the response is "well, then don't live here." :rofl: Well, ok. I won't.

[Shell Beau]

233. I don't care if people choose to live here or not. But I

don't like for people to jump at the chance to bash the south. And they do it all of the time here. It is easy to sit back and criticize. Much harder to actually try and make a change.

[Zuiderelle]

240. You're right, it is damn hard to make a change there.

I lived there. I know. More power to the gay people who live there. I feel for them.

[Shell Beau]

245. It is hard to make a change anywhere.

And I sure the gay community could take or leave your pity.

[Zuiderelle]

250. Pity? LOL!!!

Oh man! I'm dying here. :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Yes, the monolithic "gay community" could take or leave my pity! :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[Shell Beau]

252. I am glad you found it funny because I did too.

[Bake]

237. There are plenty of reasons not to live in MS!

Believe me, my wife could list about a hundred without stopping for breath! Yes it's hotter than hell here. Yes, we have bugs the size of small mammals (I call them roaches on steroids). Yes, the economy is less thriving than in some areas.

But is it a total shithole? No. What I do get a little testy about is Northerners who arrogantly look down their noses at us "dumb hick Southerners."

Bake

[ccharles000]

264. No it was Laramie, Wyoming

[Bake]

185. No, I'm saying flat-out that had this happened in Cincinnati,

Nobody would've stopped to help. Or if they had stopped, it would have been to mug me. And yeah, I can say that about Cincinnati because I lived there.

And by the way, the guys that stopped to help me didn't give a damn if I was gay, straight, black, white, Jewish, Gentile, or Martian.

Bake

[Zuiderelle]

190. And I could say some pretty awful thing about some experiences

I've had in the South. What's the point? It's the way people vote there that is really the issue. It's the lack of protection and lack of civil equality that are important to me. That comes from the people who vote.

It ain't perfect in the North, but it's a damn sight better than it is in the South. Or didn't you know that all the states down there are red?

[Bake]

226. Just wait long enough, and you'll have some awful experiences in the North, too.

What this whole discussion seems to come down to is your anecdotal evidence that "it's worse in the South." The only reasonable solution, then, is for you to cite some statistics that back up your claim.

Bake

[Zuiderelle]

244. It's not anecdotal. Look at your elected representatives and your laws.

That's evidence enough.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

248. there are plenty of stats. look at the elected officials and the laws they

then try to pass.

[TZ]

227. I agree with you about Cincinnati 100%

I was born there and my Dad currently lives there. I actually think there places that are much worse than others with this stuff though. Living in both Cinci and here in Maryland has made that quite clear.
Also I should say, I had a friend that went to school for her Masters in Bloomington,IN and her doctorate at UGa in Athens, GA..She MUCH preferred the atmoshphere of Athens..So while I don't consider bigoted attitudes to be limited to the south..There are definite regions where it is much more prevalent..and sadly..it seems the red states (many of the southern states) seem to be prone to this.

[Zuiderelle]

156. You're simply wrong.

I think you just don't know this, because you haven't experienced it yourself. It's hard to see the bad around oneself when you're not the object of the bigotry.

[Shell Beau]

160. I haven't experienced it no. But I have gay friends who live around

these parts and they feel very accepted. Maybe one's experiences may differ, but they have never been threatened. And according to how most people view the south, they should be dead by now. We have come a long way. We still have a ways to go, but its not what most peoplet think.

[Zuiderelle]

161. But the point is that you have a lot farther left to go in that regard than other areas of the

country.

[Shell Beau]

165. We've come a lot farther than we get credit for. People

will always view the south that way. No matter what. And again, many here have no experiences to base their opinions on. A lot are based on the typical southern stereotype. Lioness has been to Virginia so MS must be that way too since they are both "southern". :eyes: That kind of shit pisses me off.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

166. no, i was just arguing your point that all places have the same homophobia

dont put words in my mouth.

the south has far far to go. i am not ashamed of not wanting to live there and i personally thnk that before you go around criticizing people, you should realize that not all of us are straight or white or girly. we present a different image and experience people differently. my need for my safety and that of my wife is far more important to me, that your idea that all homophobia is the same.

[Shell Beau]

170. I think all places do have the same amount of homophobia.

Just because some are more open about it doesn't mean it doesn't exist in other places. Homophobia knows no region. And I don't recall saying that everyone is
straight or white or girly.

You're are right. If you were to move here, your life would definitely be in danger. :eyes:

[La Lioness Priyanka]

171. do you know someone set my aunts backyard on fire in Texas, because they

didnt like her inter-racial relationship?

so yeah, i think your extreme arrogance about this comes from your privileged experience of the world.

:eyes:

[Shell Beau]

175. You have no idea what my experience is of this world.

I guess that shit only happens in Texas.

And honey that ain't arrogance.

[Bake]

258. LP, I think you're a wee bit off-base. Can we all chill out a little?

Shell is just defending her home, just as you would defend yours against a perceived biased attack. Nobody's being arrogant. You like your home, she likes hers, I like mine, and in the words of Will Ferrell (Semi-Pro), "Everybody love everybody!!"

:hi:

Bake

[Zuiderelle]

173. I've lived in the South, and I've lived in the North.

And though there are some places in the North that are not so great, generally speaking, the south is much less progressive in regards to civil rights than the North. Sorry, but it's just the truth.

It's also pretty apparent by the people who are elected to represent southern states that it's true. I don't understand why you take this personally. I knew this fact when I lived in the South, and I didn't ever think it reflected on me personally. In fact, we need MORE progressive people to live there, so keep up the good work.

I think the South gets the credit it deserves. It has progressed kicking and screaming into the 21st with regards to progressive ideals. I give it credit for that. But it is nowhere near as far (again generally speaking) as the North has progressed.

[kick-ass-bob]

168. and of course the best way to fight such

is to stay the hell away from it and criticize it from the outside.:thumbsup:

[La Lioness Priyanka]

172. no its much smarter for me to put myself in harms way

:eyes:

[Shell Beau]

179. Silly

:rofl:

[La Lioness Priyanka]

183. privileged arrogance. nt

[Shell Beau]

184. Would you mind telling me how I have been privileged?

Because I am not gay? Didn't know that was a privilege.

Is that all you got?

[La Lioness Priyanka]

189. you belong to privileged classes: white & heterosexual.

also you are girly, lisa's butchness really upsets a lot of bigots.

[kick-ass-bob]

182. Absolutely.

There's a lynching twice a week.

[Shell Beau]

187. It is so good to have you back!! Even though I am sure it will

only be temporary!

:bounce:

[kick-ass-bob]

196. I just think that people will find what they are looking for.

You look for trouble, you find it. I don't give a rats ass where you live.

My friends live in Wake Forest, NC (small southern town) and have lived there for 10+ years, raising one of their's nephew since he was 7 (now almost 19) and even have health insurance for both from the LOCAL company the one works for.

You want to look for confrontation, by god, you will find it. You look for peace - truly look for it, and it is yours, all others be damned.

If you are afraid, then it will be noticed and attacked. Not the way I would want to live my life.

C'est la vie.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

197. clearly bad things happen to people who deserve it.

:eyes:

[kick-ass-bob]

204. Is that what I said? No.

And you bludgeon others for putting words into your mouth? Very nice work.

You obviously don't get it, and there is no way to explain it if you don't.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

216. yes it is "You want to look for confrontation, by god, you will find it"

[kick-ass-bob]

239. You may say to yourself

"I don't want confrontations" but by doing so, you really are looking for them. It's not a conscious thing I am talking about (although it may be).

Fear attracts more of what you are afraid of. It shows itself everywhere. I feared the reign of GWB, and I got more of it - just like the rest of us did. When you let go of the fear, it is no longer there.

If that doesn't make sense to you or if you think that's a bunch of bullshit, then I cannot talk further. Different wavelengths, so our messages won't get to each other.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

242. so you are blaming the victim? you are saying its the victims fear that is causing this?

i know what you are saying. i still think its a bunch of bullshit.

[kick-ass-bob]

262. Obviously you don't know what I'm saying, or you wouldn't be that defensive.

I'm not blaming the victim, but like I said before, either you get it and we can talk about it, or you don't and we go around in circles. I'm not going to go around in circles.

You'll probably label me a crackpot, but I really don't give a shit. I know what I know. You know what you know. But you can't force your truth on me, nor I on you. Laugh and ridicule all you want. Whatever makes you feel better.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

266. i think you are making ridiculous excuses and justifications for the bad things that happens to

victims and some half assed idea about self fulfilling prophecies doesnt cut it.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

268. funny that you should be the one who calls me defensive

"You'll probably label me a crackpot, but I really don't give a shit" :rofl:

[Zuiderelle]

246. "When you let go of the fear, it is no longer there" LOL

Well, damn, that solves everything. We don't need equal rights, we just need to let go of the fear.

:rofl:

[La Lioness Priyanka]

255. yeah. seriously. when some drunken asshole tries to beat us up

i'll let go of my fear. idiots.

[Zuiderelle]

180. Well, yes, living in an area that (more) respects my civil rights is a pretty smart choice.

[underpants]

125. Whereever it was that Schiavo chick was

[Rabrrrrrr]

132. Anywhere in the south, nor Illinois or Michigan

I know that "Anywhere in the south" isn't technically the name of a state, but I thought I'd lump them all together, anyway.

And by "Anywhere in the south" I mean that SE corner of the country, the outer boundary of which is Texas, OK, MO, KY, and the two Virginias.

[Sugar Smack]

133. Chaos, Delusion, and Despair.

My three. :scared:

[La Lioness Priyanka]

137. i never want to live outside of a large, liberal gay friendly city

the state is less important. ny state is pretty conservative, but i love nyc.

i would also like to life in SF and vancouver.

[Broken_Hero]

139. .........

1-Oklahoma
2-Oklahoma
3-Oklahoma

[azmouse]

146. Alaska, Maine, North Dakota...

to name a few but any state that has long, dark, cold, snowy winters would be on my list.

[MsTryska]

150. Michigan

then Possibly MS

And then ND.

[kick-ass-bob]

152. Top 3?

Alaska, North Dakota, Montana.

Too f'n cold.

Also, hello.

[Shell Beau]

155. Well well well! Hello stranger!

:hi:

[kick-ass-bob]

157. That was fast :)

Hello :)

[Shell Beau]

162. Well I am trying to take up for the south as usual and I was reading

posts as they came in. I was quite surprised to see your name. Your name popped up the other day. Something about olives! :P

[kick-ass-bob]

164. The lovely fruit...

THAT IS THE SCOURGE OF THIS PLANET? :puke:

[1gobluedem]

167. Ohio, Texas, Florida

Have spent enough time in each to know I wouldn't care to live there.

[spinbaby]

186. Florida, California, Utah

Florida and California are actually places I like to visit, but I can't imagine living there.

[Throd]

208. New Jersey, New Jersey & New Jersey

[La Lioness Priyanka]

223. dont blame you. nt

[SacredCow]

231. I don't think there are any that I could honestly say I'd NEVER live in....

There's good and bad points to them all.

[Iggo]

235. Alaska, Hawaii, and Texas.

Alaska -- too far.

Hawaii -- too far, and cut off by an ocean.

Texas -- 'Cause I'm a friend of them long-haired hippy-type pinko f*gs.

[ScreamingMeemie]

241. Michigan...oh wait, I live here. Forget it.

[mike_c]

243. Pennsylvania, Pennsylvania, and Pennsylvania....

eom

[DebJ]

275. Hey, we NEED more active Dems here in Pa!!! Come on, y'all!

Former Marylander. Forced to south central pa with new husband.

[DebJ]

276. Hey, we NEED more active Dems here in Pa!!! Come on, y'all!

Former Marylander. Forced to south central pa with new husband.

[Sheets of Easter]

247. Texas, Florida, and Ohio. And I live in Ohio.

[Brigid]

259. Texas, Mississippi, and Alabama.

Almost anywhere in the Deep south, really. Indiana is bad enough.

[BlueIris]

260. Nebraska, Mississippi, and Alabama.

[tismyself]

261. toughie

New York, Connecticut, New Jersey.

[Joey Liberal]

265. Alabama, Texas, Georgia n/t

[Phillycat]

269. Texas, Utah, Florida.

I think they're all pretty self-explanatory. :shrug:

[mnhtnbb]

270. Nebraska (lived there and swore would NEVER set foot there again);

South Carolina; Texas.

[Burma Jones]

271. There are good places in every State in which to live, yes, even in Mississippi

I've lived in nine states in my life, Indiana, North Carolina, Maryland, Louisiana, Kentucky, Illinois, Texas, Massachusetts, Virginia and New York. I have spent significant time with relatives in Tennessee, Oklahoma and Arkansas. I have been on business for over three weeks each in California, Florida, Colorado, Pennsylvania, Minnesota and Maine. About the only place where I think I would have trouble finding a comfortable place to exist is Oklahoma, I really did not like anything I saw about Oklahoma, but I bet I could find kindred spirits in the state that gave us The Flaming Lips.

My favorite place I've lived is Maryland although the wife and I plan to retire to Manhattan when the time comes.....

[ceile]

272. Utah, Florida, South Dakota n/t

[GermanDem]

274. Have you ever even been to Oklahoma?

I lived in Germany for more than 30 years, and now live in Oklahoma since 2000. I love it! I have traveled the world extensively, and I have never been to a place where people are friendlier (and no, I am not a religious person)! The only things I miss here are good German bread, Italian food and the ocean! But to get that, we would have to move to the coasts (way too many people there, and way too expensive). We now own a beautiful house here and have lots of (very liberal) friends! Okieland rules! It's just a matter of priorities, I guess.