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groovedaddy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-17-08 12:30 PM
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What Is Art For?
Last April I asked the writer Lewis Hyde if he would take a trip with me to Walden Pond, in Concord, Mass. At 63, Hyde has boyishly tousled brown-gray hair, freckled, soft-looking cheeks and the slightly abstracted gaze of a man who spends a disproportionate amount of his time in library carrels. He has an ironic streak, but his default mode is a kind of easygoing acquiescence, and so one slate gray Saturday afternoon he picked me up in Cambridge, where he lives and works half the year, and drove us the 12 miles west to Walden.

Hyde knows the area well — among his ongoing projects is a detailed series of annotations of Henry David Thoreau’s essays — and he led me down a dirt path from the parking lot to the site of the cabin where, more than 150 years ago, Thoreau wrote his celebrated paean to solitude and self-reliance. The cabin no longer exists. In its place there is a lightly excavated, cordoned-off square of soil and, to its side, a waist-high cairn erected in commemoration by generations of pilgrims.

Our own visit wasn’t commemorative, but it was a pilgrimage of a sort. Hyde has been writing and publishing for more than three decades, and he has received numerous high-profile awards, including a MacArthur “genius grant” in 1991, but his name is still obscure to most readers. His body of work is slim; he has published two books, a volume of poems and a smattering of essays, translations and edited anthologies. His reputation, however, is rich. David Foster Wallace called him “one of our true superstars of nonfiction.” Hyde’s fans — among them Zadie Smith, Michael Chabon and Jonathan Lethem — routinely use words like “transformative” and “life-altering” to describe his books, which they’ve been known to pass hand to hand like spiritual texts or samizdat manifestoes. The source of much of this reverence is Hyde’s first book, “The Gift” (1983), which has never been out of print (it was recently rereleased by Vintage in a 25th-anniversary edition) and which tries to reconcile the value of doing creative work with the exigencies of a market economy.

Hyde began his career as a poet in the naturalistic vein of Gary Snyder or Mary Oliver, but over the years he has transformed himself into an accomplished scholar. “The Gift,” the core argument of which depends on establishing an analogy between the making of art and how objects accrue value in traditional “gift economies,” has been praised as the most subtle, influential study of reciprocity since the French anthropologist Marcel Mauss’s 1924 essay of the same name. His second book, “Trickster Makes This World” (1998), a cross-cultural study of the mischievous, mythological trickster figure (examples from the 20th century include Duchamp, Picasso and Ginsberg), weaves together literary strands from West Africa, India and China and concludes with a new translation of the “Homeric Hymn to Hermes,” for which Hyde spent months working one on one with a tutor in ancient Greek. Jonathan Lethem told me that when he first read “The Gift,” he pictured its author as a kind of inapproachable seer, either long dead or soaring so high in the intellectual stratosphere as to be unreachable. “It’d be like reading a book by Nietzsche or Freud when they were alive and thinking, Oh, I gotta send this guy a note!”

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/16/magazine/16hyde-t.html?th&emc=th
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trueblue2007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-17-08 01:03 PM
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1. nothing
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-08 12:45 PM
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21.  Dr James Watson is that you?
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Tuesday Afternoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-17-08 01:05 PM
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2. interesting --
In highlighting the absurd ways in which intellectual copyright has overreached, Hyde brings to mind such iconic Copy Left figures as Lawrence Lessig, a constitutional-law scholar at Stanford. Yet Hyde’s new book, which he allowed me to read in draft form (it is unfinished and untitled), addresses what he considers a more fundamental issue. We may believe there should be a limit on the market in cultural property, he argues, but that doesn’t mean that we have “a good public sense” of where to set that limit. Hyde’s book is, at its core, an attempt to help formulate that sense.
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MilesColtrane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-17-08 01:36 PM
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3. Getting chicks.
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ghostsofgiants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-17-08 02:22 PM
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6. No, that's rock music.
Art doesn't work. x( :P
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Bake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-17-08 03:13 PM
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8. But is rock music itelf not art?
I agree, of course, that Rush is not art, but rock music in general is.

:rofl:

Bake
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ghostsofgiants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-17-08 03:26 PM
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9. But it's the only type of art that gets chicks.
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Bake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-17-08 03:53 PM
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10. True. The banjo player in a bluegrass band always goes home alone!
:rofl:

Bake
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groovedaddy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-08 08:12 AM
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18. Have you done polling to verify your assertion? n.t
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ghostsofgiants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-08 01:38 PM
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24. My lack of polling despite years creating art is what LED me to my assertion.
Innuendo FTW. :P
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applegrove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-17-08 02:01 PM
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4. Art is play with form according to anthropologists. Since play is learning
then art is learning with form. Makes sense.
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groovedaddy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-17-08 02:17 PM
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5. Therapy and self-expression.
For some, it's all that keeps us alive!
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applegrove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-08 01:40 PM
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25. Everyone needs something to love to keep them going. For me it isn't art but politics.
And love.
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groovedaddy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-08 08:41 AM
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30. There is an art to politics and, of course, there is politics in art (some, at least). n.t
Love is the primordial essence.
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Burma Jones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-17-08 02:26 PM
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7. Ask Him


Oh Wait, he's dead......



Art is for explaining things..............
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-08 01:40 AM
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11. My hypothesis is that Art originated as a way to communicate ideas to others when...
...those ideas are hard to put into words.
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RandomThoughts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-08 01:56 AM
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12. That guy seems interesting
I think art is the melding of the rational, spiritual and subconscous mind to create imagery beyond sensory perception. Their seems to be a spiritual element to the few paintings I have seen, and same with poetry, sort of like they are more then their parts.

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groovedaddy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-08 08:38 AM
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29. Which came first as a form of communication? Art forms may have preceded
a developed language. In fact, languages may have evolved from an art form.
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leeroysphitz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-08 02:04 AM
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13. Art is for people who aren't worried about zombies.
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HEyHEY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-08 02:06 AM
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14. Commerce. If we don't believe we don't buy.
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enigmatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-08 02:09 AM
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15. it's the fuel of life
It drives us, enraptures us, disgusts us; it makes us feel, even when we don't want it to.
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hedgetrimmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-08 02:55 AM
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16. Art is in every aspect of living.
From the shape of the hammer to the structure we live in, the vehicle we transport in or the plates we eat off of. Art is not a just thing in a gallery or museum it permeates every aspect of our lives... if you live in the rich countries or the poor art is always knocking at the door. The greatest presence of art however, lay within... if it is art to you than it is art. William James is quoted as having written, "What you experience as real is real to you." In that thought or observation I find art as the point where art is so for you if you see it as art. The scholars decrying what art is and is not has not a leg to stand on, their opinions are based upon their own experiences of what art is. If by chance as a student in the adventure called life you follow that model then that is what art will be for you; If by chance you don't than art is something else. Art is when some object of creation has a response from you the viewer. Without the response their is no art. The seed answer to "What is art for?" is that, art is for a response from you the viewer.
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old mark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-08 05:26 AM
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17. For me, it is a good way to keep myself interested, with
a little therapy and a lot of self expression involved.

Thank you for the information on Lewis Hyde.

mark
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old mark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-08 01:29 PM
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23. Wanted to add that I am speaking
as an artist, not a consumer of art - very different POV.

mark
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Dyedinthewoolliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-08 10:48 AM
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19. To make us think.
Whether it's 'oh, I really like that Thomas Kincade' :) or 'oh, I really hate that Thomas Kincade' :)
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-08 12:44 PM
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20. Dr James Watson is that you?
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surrealAmerican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-08 12:59 PM
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22. It makes life meaningful ...
... and therefore livable.
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av8rdave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-08 01:42 PM
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26. To harmonize with Paul Simon?
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BridgeTheGap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-08 12:33 PM
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31. Isn't that ART Garfunkel's job!?! n.t
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billyskank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-08 02:25 PM
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27. Art gives me an excuse to look at pretty women.
:)
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groovedaddy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-08 03:04 PM
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28. You need an excuse!?! n.t
Edited on Tue Nov-18-08 03:04 PM by groovedaddy
I'll write you a note man!
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billyskank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-08 05:38 PM
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35. Yes.
Certainly hardly anybody ever lets me near their naked form for any other reason.
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groovedaddy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-20-08 08:00 AM
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36. Just proving that this country needs more exposure to art! n.t
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Inchworm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-08 12:42 PM
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32. Evolution
The science of government it is my duty to study, more than all other sciences;
the arts of legislation and administration and negotiation ought to take the place of,
indeed exclude, in a manner, all other arts.

I must study politics and war, that our sons may have liberty to study mathematics and philosophy. Our sons ought to study mathematics and philosophy, geography, natural history and naval architecture, navigation, commerce and agriculture in order to give their children a right to study painting, poetry, music, architecture, statuary, tapestry and porcelain.

~John Adams

:hi:
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groovedaddy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-08 02:58 PM
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33. Well said. n.t
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Heidi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-20-08 08:20 AM
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37. :thumbsup:
:hug:

:loveya:
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Mendocino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-08 05:36 PM
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34. Nature is art ...
...in which we exist.
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