Will Mel Gibson do what Jesus said, and give away the $ he made

[maggrwaggr]

Mel's making serious bank from the Jesus movie.

Will he take Jesus' advice and give the money away?

What would Jesus do if he made a blockbuster movie?

What about Jesus' descendants? Are they entitled to profit participation?

Can Mel Gibson shove a camel through the eye of a needle?

[JaySherman]

1. HA!

A camel will sooner fit through eye of a needle before Mel Gibson gets into Heaven.

[lefty_mcduff]

2. Don' t think so dude -

Gibson is even selling *officially licensed* (not sure if Jesus approved the license) Passion jewelry' including 'the nail' - a nice pewter crucifiction nail on a leather 'necklace'.

Turning Christ into profit - it's the GOP Way.

[OneBlueSky]

3. yeah, right . . . the entity that Mel Gibson most worships is . . .

Mel Gibson . . . that's who he'll donate his earnings to . . .

[JasonDeter]

4. Why are you coveting Mel's money?

You might want to take the log out of your eye before you go digging around for the splinter in Mel's. What he does with his money is between him and God. Anyone says otherwise doesn't know the Bible.

[roguevalley]

5. Ticker on CNN Headlines says its up to 117.5 million now. Amazing.

[JasonDeter]

19. It wouldn't surprise me if it approached 1/2 a billion dollars! LOL!

[ClintonTyree]

7. I don't see anything..................

in that post about coveting Mel's money. The writer didn't say he wanted it for himself, he said he wanted it to go to charity.
Coveting is wanting something someone else has for yourself. I certainly don't want Mel's money that he's made from Christ's death. I'm sure there are all sorts of "good" Mel will do with all of this loot made from portraying Christ's agony (or Mels's VERSION at least). I'd be interested in seeing how Mel disperses this money myself. However, I don't want one thin dime of it.
There are no logs in my eyes. Are there dollar signs in Mel's? You betcha!

[JasonDeter]

23. There is an evil in the world that cmpels one to

ascribes an evil connotation to everything someone does. I heard Mel Gibson interview with Sawyer and I detected no evil in his motives. He just wanted to do something for God with God's help. To ascribe evil to it is in itself evil. Thats whats so perplexing to this whole anti Mel thing. Its kind of laughable really, the outrage it has generated from those who have no intention of either seeing the movie or joining the Christian faith! And from reading alot of the posts re: this subject almost if not all have absolutely no understanding of Christianity but think themselves experts on judging it! But I'll defend to the death your right to do so. But expect me to give you the Christian perspective and it will always be at odds with those who think Mel Gibson is doing something evil or doing it for evil motives. Without even meeting the man I know he is not. He has a love for Christ and has made a wonderful movie. I know Christians who have seen it 2 or 3 times and are deeply moved each time and come out of the theater more in love with Christ each time. I think its awesome.

[asteroid2003QQ47]

8. “Biblespeak” translated at last!

JasonDeter would have us believe that he alone knows what has heretofore proved unknowable and nebulous?

[JasonDeter]

21. What God has to say on any subject is easy to find if one is willing.

God is a God of free will, He doesn't force anyone to do or give money or property to anyone, especially Him. To say otherwise is to mislead the unlearned. The Bible is very clear re: ownership.

Peter says in Acts 5:4
"While it remained unsold, did it not remain your own? And after it was sold, was it not under your control? Why is it that you have conceived this deed in your heart? You have not lied to men but to God."


The teaching of Jesus concerning judging others and doing the same thing youselves:
Mt 7:3
"Why do you look at the speck that is in your brother's eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye ?

Mt 7:4
"Or how can you say to your brother, 'Let me take the speck out of your eye,' and behold, the log is in your own eye ?

Mt 7:5
"You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother's eye.

Lu 6:41
"Why do you look at the speck that is in your brother's eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye ?

Lu 6:42
"Or how can you say to your brother, 'Brother, let me take out the speck that is in your eye,' when you yourself do not see the log that is in your own eye ? You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take out the speck that is in your brother's eye.

And the Apostle Paul on the subject:

Romans 2:3
But do you suppose this, O man, when you pass judgment on those who practice such things and do the same yourself, that you will escape the judgment of God?

[maggrwaggr]

37. see #27 for the quote about giving it all away

your quotes seem to be a bit off the subject.

[maggrwaggr]

15. I wouldn't take a dime from Mel's near-snuff movie

However, he's making a ton of dough. Jesus said to give away all your money -- is that what Mel's gonna do?

Or is he just gonna res-design the needle so he can fit his bags of money through the eye?

[LeahMira]

24. No one did

Why are you coveting Mel's money?

I didn't see anyone with his or her hand out.


What he does with his money is between him and God.

Actually, it's between him and the IRS. But one can speculate as to whether his close encounter with the crucifixion has changed him or not. Waiting to see...

BTW, it will be interesting to see if the donations to churches and charities and the homeless on the streets go up from the population of people who see this film also. Somehow, I think we'll all have to look really, really hard to find anything changed among Mel's groupies.

[MrSlayer]

6. Of course not. He is committing several "deadly" sins.

Hypocrite.

[MendedFence]

9. Why would he do that?

Do you give away all your hard earned money? The guy made a movie and people are paying to go see it. From what I see it appears to be the American dream in action.

[ConcernedCanuk]

10. Jump in with both feet there MF !! - Welcome to DU ! !

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[MendedFence]

11. Thanks!

I love the feeling of wet mud between my toes :-)

[greatauntoftriplets]

12. Mud?

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[maggrwaggr]

14. uh ... because Jesus said to give away all your money, pal

So if you're making a movie about Jesus because your'e so devout, well .....

It goes to follow that if you what to be Christ-like (which is the whole point of being Christian if you actually read the bible) .....

that you'd give away any money you make from a movie about Jesus.

Again, I ask, what if Jesus made a blockbuster movie? What would he do with the money?

[ProdigalJunkMail]

18. exactly where did he say this???

I am curious if you understand the context for the passage you mention...

theProdigal

[maggrwaggr]

27. fine. here are some quotes. Context is VERY clear

I believe Mel Gibson could be described as "rich".

Mt 19:24 -
"Again I say to you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God."

Mr 10:25 -
"It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God."

Lu 18:25 -
"For it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God."

And here's the main quote that I was remembering:

Luke 12:22-40
22 And He said to His disciples, "For this reason I say to you, do not worry about your life, as to what you will eat; nor for your body, as to what you will put on. 23 "For life is more than food, and the body more than clothing. 24 "Consider the ravens, for they neither sow nor reap; they have no storeroom nor barn, and yet God feeds them; how much more valuable you are than the birds! 25 "And which of you by worrying can add a single hour to his life's span? 26 "If then you cannot do even a very little thing, why do you worry about other matters? 27 "Consider the lilies, how they grow: they neither toil nor spin; but I tell you, not even Solomon in all his glory clothed himself like one of these. 28 "But if God so clothes the grass in the field, which is alive today and tomorrow is thrown into the furnace, how much more will He clothe you? You men of little faith! 29 "And do not seek what you will eat and what you will drink, and do not keep R584 worrying. 30 "For all these things the nations of the world eagerly seek; but your Father knows that you need these things. 31 "But seek His kingdom, and these things will be added to you. 32 "Do not be afraid, little flock, for your Father has chosen gladly to give you the kingdom. 33 "Sell your possessions and give to charity; make yourselves money belts which do not wear out, an unfailing treasure in heaven, where no thief comes near nor moth destroys. 34 "For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also.

Context seems pretty freaking clear to me.

Lovers of money are frowned upon:

Lu 16:14 -
Now the Pharisees, who were lovers of money, were listening to all these things and were scoffing at Him.

[DrWeird]

30. That's as about as lucid as the Bible ever gets.

It's hard to take "christians" seriously when they're filthy rich, pro-death penalty etc.

Apparently christianity to them is more about how Jesus died than what Jesus taught. Somebody actually said that here the other day.

[ProdigalJunkMail]

32. hey maggr...sorry for the late reply...long commute

while the new testament is fairly clear here, it is not only talking about money. Jesus is pointing out that where your treasure lies there will your heart lie also. A man can treasure many things besides money. Christ is telling us to not worry for anything and money is one of the chief things over which people of all ages have stressed. He is telling his disciples to throw off all things of this world that hinder growth and prevent one from coming into his spiritual reward...he is not telling you to cast aside all that you own...unless you are striving for it or stressing over it...

theProdigal

and the 'freaking' was not necessary...

[maggrwaggr]

34. I agree. And disagree.

I agree that he's telling people not to worry and crave.

But it seems pretty clear he's also telling people to give their money away.

[ProdigalJunkMail]

36. i think that destitute is the issue

i don't think jesus would tell someone to give away their only means of support...now mel, well, he's got plenty to spare and if indeed he is worshipping the cash...well, then there's that whole issue for him

theProdigal

[JasonDeter]

40. re: your Matthew, Mark and Luke quotes:

And the deciples (Apostles) said, "Then who can be saved?!"
And Jesus said, "All things are possible with God!"

And where has Mel said he was a lover of money? I'm really having a hard time understanding what your contention is with Mel and his money? Sounds to me there's alot of people more in love with Mel's money than he is! LOL

[JasonDeter]

22. Can I give you my address so you can send me yours?

[maggrwaggr]

28. it just amazes me that people who call themselves Christians

can ignore the quote where Jesus said to sell all your possessions and give all your money away.

Don't see too many folks doing that.

See my quotes above

[ProdigalJunkMail]

33. you're missing part of the point in that

see my post above

theProdigal

[maggrwaggr]

35. Jesus and his disciples walked away from everything

and he taught others to do the same and follow him.

Seems pretty clear. That plus the quotes about the rich man and the eye of the needle, etc. His views on money changers and all of that .....

People see what they want to see. For me, I always found it extremely difficult, if not impossible to be a christian because, well, I thought Jesus set the bar a bit too high for us in modern western days.

I chose to not be a hypocrite a long long time ago.

[ProdigalJunkMail]

38. you have a great point

and yes, there are many people who give all they have to following Christ. I know many people who have dedicated their lives to the call they feel they received and to this day have nothing to call their own. But for those of us who have chosen the path of family...well, some amount of money is necessary to survive :-) and the tax cut really didn't help...

Christ set the bar high, but of course, there are those of us to whom he IS God. We also realize that He came so that we could have life and not live under a law that we could not possibly hope to perfect in our fallen state (please forgive all the buzzwords...but they fit). We should strive to help our fellow man...if you have two cloaks...give one away...

theProdigal

[JasonDeter]

39. Well, I've read the Bible from one end to the other many times

and I have yet to find one place where Jesus told me to hold someone to that request by Christ. No where is it taught. When Jesus told the rich young man that he didn't turn to any of the deciples and say, "Now I want you to go out and make sure my followers give all their money away to the poor!" In fact the only place its mentioned in the Bible is in Acts where the early deciples sold their property (Christians are just passing through on their way to heaven and we're supposed to be amassadors of another land) and brought it to the Apostles feet. The story of Annias and Sapphira in Acts 5 teaches that the person is supposed to give to God willingly NOT under compulsion. Far be it from me to compel Mel Gibson to do anything!

[sendero]

13. Why does Jethro Tull's...

.... Hymn 43, from 1970, seem like it was written about this situation? :)

[TXlib]

16. I bet Mel's shoving SOMETHING into a camel...

[GreenPartyVoter]

17. He might do it quietly

I mean seriously, if he stands up and announces to the world "Look at me! Look how much money I am giving to the poor!" won't win him any more favor in many ways than if he kept it all for himself.

He is darned if he does and darned if he doesn't in the eyes of most folks. *shrug*

Would Jesus love a liberal? You bet!
http://www.geocities.com/greenpartyvoter/liberalchristians.htm

[WhoCountsTheVotes]

20. good question

:bounce:

[Kamika]

25. I bet he'll donate alot to catholic churches etc..

as green voter wrote.. he'll probably donate money silently.. also maybe he'll invest them in a new movie

[maggrwaggr]

29. he'll still be rich. Jesus said to sell everything, give it away

Hello, Mel?

[bobbieinok]

26. doesn't he already have a lot of money??

If he's doing it to 'spread the gospel,' why doesn't he just charge $1??

Kinda sad if some people don't get to hear the message because they can't afford the entrance fee.

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