Jesus Tebow and Football.

[Pryderi]

Congratulations to FL and their national championship.

Dear Tim Tebow,

"Pride goeth before destruction, and an haughty spirit before a fall.
Better it is to be of an humble spirit with the lowly, than to divide the spoil with the proud.
-- Proverbs 16: 18-19 (KJV)"

[Dr. Strange]

1. Not to highjack your thread too much, but...

"And upon that day, the prophet DuStrange spoke, saying, 'God damn it, Oklahoma, play some fucking defense!' But the Sooners wouldst not, and did thus lose the game."
-- BCS 8:23 (DSV)

[LSdemocrat]

5. nor dideth they serve thine quarterback by catching the damn ball whence it was lain in their hands

[TZ]

10. This prophet DuStrange..

He sounds like a very wise fellow..:)

[madinmaryland]

13. That's DUZY worthy!!1!!

:rofl:

[ashling]

18. And so it was that Florida didst smite the

Oklahooma Soners(not misspelled) and thus didst justify the name of the almighty Longhorns as Number One in all the earth.

Ashling 3:16

:rofl:

[Dr. Strange]

19. Longhorns, #1?

Surely thou jokest!

[ashling]

22. OK, so I added a smiley

and so it is written,
"It's just a goddamned game fer Christsakes"

Now, excuse me while I return to my leper colony in the Phillipines.

(no smiley needed)

[Dr. Strange]

26. Heresy!

God does not use smilies! Infidel!
I shall now return to MY Def Leppard colony in the Bahamas.

[Bake]

39. But alas, the Longhorns hath sinned and fallen short of the glory of the BCS

Whereas the BCS hath caused its countenance to shine upon the Gators.

Bake

[Bake]

38. Amen, Brother, and preach on, I say!

Similarly, the Sooners runneth into an SEC defense stronger than their overrated offense could penetrate, and thus putteth not enough points on the board.

Bro. Bake

[Dr. Strange]

43. The right reverend Bake speaketh wisely.

And the Lounge responded loudly, saying, "K&R!"

[Sanctified]

2. Must have missed where Tim was acting prideful or with a haughty spirit. n/t

[Pryderi]

9. His 15 yd unsportsmanlike penalty.

[Pryderi]

11. Maybe Nike will pay athletes to put swooshes under thier eyes. n/t

[SoxFan]

73. It's inevitable

http://www.baseballexp.com/catalog/product.jsp?productId=7&code=I99FNA1ZNT010001&cm_mmc=NexTag-_-Baseball-_-Products%20Link-_-440404-B45

[Bertha Venation]

34. What did he do?

I couldn't stand the herky-jerky pace of the game. I gave up shortly into the third quarter.

[pokerfan]

35. He taunted the Sooner players

Cracking down on taunting has been a point of emphasis in the NCAA the last couple of years.

[Bake]

40. Yea, but verily, all have sinned ...

and are thus penalized.

Forget not the 9th Commandment, "Thou shalt not grasp the facemask of thine opponent." Just for example.

Bake

[Sanctified]

44. LOL, if that is all you got on the kid. n/t

[Ava]

64. you must not watch much SEC football

ooh waaah wahh wah.. he did the gater mouth clap. oh how horrible! :eyes:

he did that because oklahoma has been blabbing for the past couple of weeks about how florida was overrated, tebow was overrated(what was that statement? "4th best quarterback" in their division), and how they'd kick florida's ass... and let's not forget that he wasn't the only one talking, he was "exchanging words" with the guy.

in a sport where people tackle and basically beat the hell out of each other for a ball, "unsportsmanlike" penalities are usually just hilarious.


yup, god forbid tebow show some human nature by acting excited to win the national championship and beat the team that had been talking him and his team down all week.



i'm not a big tebow fan due the media drooling over him, and i hate florida since i'm a bama fan.. but i don't think he's full of himself or an asshole. tebow is not the one talking the smack about tebow.. the media is.

[Initech]

3. My favorite Bible verse: The dark one poses as creature of light.

[MrSlayer]

4. i wonder what the NCAA would have done if someone had "Praise Allah" on their face.

or "Hail Satan".

[Pryderi]

8. Seriously. The sun wasn't up and the eye black wasn't necessary. Leave your religion off the

field...or at least off your face!

[Patsy Stone]

79. Not only that

but wouldn't the light silvery writing so close to his eyes negate the benefits of the eye black?

Blecccch.

[pokerfan]

6. Coming soon to the XBox 360

[RandomThoughts]

7. That is why all glory goes to God

To believe that a simple man can overcome the difficulties of life without the grace of God, is to not understand the beautiful gift of Grace.

Yet my statement is arrogant, it in some way wishes to claim the overcoming of pride, yet such a claim would devalue the grace of God.

So what can be said, but thank God for his mercy and love.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

12. It would be nice if people didn't shove their religion in other people's faces.

This Tebow dude can believe whatever he wants. His advertisement of it is annoying. Anyhow, god, if there is one (which I doubt) probably doesn't give a rat's patoot about football.

[TZ]

14. Ding, ding, ding...

We have a winnah!
I always want to know what the losing side did not to have God's favor....

[pokerfan]

15. Jeff Stilson said it best...

I'm trying to wean myself off sports, it's too time consuming. I don't watch football anymore, I gave that up. I got tired of the interviews after the games, because the winning players always give credit to God, and the losers blame themselves. You know, just once I'd like to hear a player say, 'Yeah, we were in the game, until Jesus made me fumble! He hates our team.'

[RandomThoughts]

27. Without being snarky

Alot of people give glory to God, with love and thanks when they are failing or losing also. Sounds funny, but its true.


I think it goes sorta like this usually, at least for me.

Yea we were in the game, until that fumble happened, Guess winning wasn't what was in store for me today, maybe someone on other team really needed that win today, and I'm glad nobody got hurt, thanks. And by the way, thanks for the skills you have given me, even if they didn't work out so good today.

[TZ]

29. Do you really think it would have been okay if he'd said

"Praise Allah!" Hell no. Christians act like they are the only true religions and feel the need to CONSTANTLY shove it in peoples faces. I'm an atheist and I don't go around announcing thank god for the randomness of the universe!

[RagAss]

61. Ali did....30 years ago....and the world still loves Ali.

[RandomThoughts]

63. no you do not go around doing that

Instead you go around and get mad at others for talking about their beliefs. Isn't what you do the same thing?

If you think his beliefs are silly, chuckle, or smile. If it is just, in your view, wrong or not smart, then why does it get you mad? When people on Jackass do stupid things, it doesn't get people mad. When people talk about alien abduction it doesn't get people mad, when people talk about Star Trek, it doesn't get people mad, but when someone just says what is part of his belief and its about Jesus, people act differently.

I think there is something spiritual to this effect, thats my belief on it.

People can talk about what they like, without telling you what you have to believe, or thinking you are worse.

I know alot of Christians do try and tell people what they have to believe, but alot of them just like talking about what makes them feel good. Most of them do not think secular people are worse. And most don't think they are better.

[pokerfan]

36. and I've never heard anything like that

Instead we get stuff like Curt Schilling saying it was God's work out there on the mound. Give me a break.

[RandomThoughts]

65. This might be a perspective thing

I guess what makes me wonder, is why does it bother others if he thinks having a good day is a gift from God.

If you think he is wrong, why does it matter to you. Do you feel the same way when a person says thanks to a old coach, or a teacher, or a parent. Remember for that person, that is what he interprets God is to them. Maybe for him God helped him calm down, or gave him help when he was in training, or in strife, even if others might think it is a trick of his own mind, he thinks it is something more. He thinks it was something God helped him with.

[pokerfan]

71. You misunderstand me

It doesn't bother me so much as I find it hysterical that he believes an invisible man in the sky helps him win. Quite a bit different from an old coach or a teacher. They have the advantage of being part of the natural world and they aren't condemning anyone to eternal torment for not believing in them.

[RandomThoughts]

72. I get what you are saying

And I understand the idea of you finding it humorous. We all have different experiences in life, and from those experiences we form what we believe to be reality. Someone with an entirely different set of experiences sometimes seems very odd. And there are some people that are just odd, I laugh at somethings also, including some I do :)

But on your last point about people being condemned to eternal torment. I see this different, but I know alot of fire and brimstone teachings emphasizes this.

I do not believe Christians are better then others, I don't even think they prove themselves more moral or more good. But its about the direction you are going, not where you are.

(Don't read next part, if my beliefs don't interest you, they are just my beliefs and I find the subject interesting)

My belief, is that God does not condemn people to damnation, he offers the way out. In the idea that he is Love, goodness and kindness, people who end up being damned do so because they reject the spirit of Goodness he offers. This does not mean secular people are not kind, it only means that, as most secular people also know, the ways of good bring us back from difficulty, and for many people they believe those inspirations come from God.

There is some point of spirals, where many people find they have to either spiral down, leaving kindness, or spiral up embracing it. Many people find the teachings, and the spirit of God, helps guide them on that upward spiral. I know alot of other people find other ways to be in goodness, but each religion seems to have their own belief on how that can be maintained. Christians believe that it is through Jesus Christ.

I am not telling you this to convert, or convince you, just to say that in most peoples beliefs it is different. I believe God would save everyone if they allow it, but with free will, they have to choose to want to be kept from the place of eternal suffering. So he does not condemn the world, he saves it.

I hope you see this as more then semantics, it goes to a big part of my belief in how God does work in the world(in my view). If he did not give us free will, we would not exist. So he loves us so much, he allows us to have free will, even if those choices sometimes cause ourselves or others harm(when we are not at our best). But he helps us learn to be better, to be more kind, less angry, and lots of other things.

[Bertha Venation]

31. So did Abraham Lincoln. n/t

[RandomThoughts]

67. I like the way Lincoln phrased it.

And I don't see the guy's interview, or know what he said, but if the only gripe is him putting what he beliefs on his eye ink, I think others project that he is also telling others what they must believe.

See what I mean, is he saying what he believes, or is he telling you what you have to believe. I think the second part is people projecting onto what he is saying.

If I say I love Jesus.

Am I telling you what to do? Am I telling you what you have to believe?

[RandomThoughts]

23. ...

[Bertha Venation]

32. Annoying, yes. But I don't see it as shoving religion in my face.

Shoving religion in my face is door-to-door proselytizing (sp?) or being accosted on a street by someone shoving a chick tract at me. Or the Phelps clan telling me I'm going to hell.

[Bake]

41. He didn't shove it in other people's faces.

He put it on HIS face. If you don't like it, stay out of his face.

Bake

[LisaM]

45. He plays for a public university which all our tax dollars support

so I think we have a right to object.

Michigan (briefly) had a kicker who wore an armband that said Jesus. My sister, among others, emailed the athletic director, and the next week it was gone - they told him it wasn't part of the uniform.

I STRONGLY object to affirming religion on the field. I detest it.

[Bake]

50. De minimis, as the lawyers say.

I doubt that the taxpayers were too put out with the cost of his under-the-eye thing. He may have even paid for it himself.

Bake

[LisaM]

51. Well, it's offensive. I'm sure the Michigan kicker wrote "Jesus" on his wristband too.

I don't think anyone can sue him, but his coach should have had the good sense to stop him. Except as far as I can tell, Tim Tebow does whatever Tim Tebow wants and has his whole life. And Urban Meyer isn't exactly a harbinger of good taste himself.

It really reflects poorly on the University and I feel sorry for its students.

[Bake]

52. I think the eye thing is probably free individual expression

You see all sorts of things on them. Try not to be offended; ignore it if you want. Unless you're looking for something to be offended about.

Bake

[LisaM]

54. Tim Tebow is a well-known proselytizer

it's just one more piece of the whole annoying package!!!! Can't stand the guy. It figures he'd find a way to put me over the edge.

However, the LARGER issue of religion in public institutions is very offensive to a lot of people, who are always dismissed.

I will offer up a prayer to God, though. I will PRAY that the Lions don't draft him. Please, God, you heard it here first!

[Bake]

55. Yeah, I'd hate to see a great player like Tebow stuck on the Lions, too!

:hi:

Bake

[LisaM]

56. I've stuck with them t hrough it all

but if they draft that Jesus freak, I'm gonna blow!


:nuke:

Best case: someone else will want him and will give the Lions a D-Line in return.

[Pryderi]

80. Feeding the Christian to the Lions? LOL! n/t

[Ava]

66. yeah, a public university where FREEDOM OF RELIGION exists

he can believe what he wants.. put it on his face if he wants. personally that doesn't change my opinion of a person.


players have put stuff on their faces before tebow came along and will do so after. freedom of expression, religion, and all that is pretty great if you ask me. :shrug:


really when it comes down to it, someone will find something to be offended or upset about even if there is nothing there. tebow is a talented guy - not the god the media makes him out to be, but extremely talented and because of that someone will find something wrong with him no matter what.

[1gobluedem]

74. Freedom to worship as one chooses, yes

Freedom to take advantage of a national stage to proseletyze or advertise one's beliefs? Not so sure about that one. There is a clear separation of church and state in this country and publicly advertising one's beliefs at a taxpayer-supported, University-sponsored event, on national TV, in my opinion, crosses the line. He was grandstanding.
.
Tim Tebow is a talented athlete, absolutely. That doesn't mean he can do no wrong or can't be a jerk. I've noticed that these religious fundamentalists seem to derive greater pleasure from proclaiming their beliefs than by quiet good deeds. Not all, but many.

I wonder what would have happened if his eye patches said Obama or McCain or Bush? Hmmm...

[Ava]

75. he should be able to keep those too if he chose that

there's a guy on texas tech's team that has a wicca symbol tatoo that i've noticed. should he be forced to cover it up?


part of freedom of speech and religion is that sometimes you'll be offended.. hell, someone will always find something to be offended about. personally i don't think that tebow's eye decoration of choice is a violation of seperation of church and state, but rather freedom of expression and religion in practice.


i'm far from a fan of florida, and not a fan of tebow because i can't stand listening to sportscasters express their undying love for him... but i think that to act like he's an asshole because he has a bible verse referenced on his face paint is just silly and absurd.

[Initech]

48. To quote George Carlin - "God is undefeated."

[Renew Deal]

60. I don't care much either way.

If he wants to do that, it's fine. Though I think it should be illegal to do it on eye black.

[jobycom]

16. There's a fine line between humbly giving your god credit for your achievements

and pridefully declaring that your god loves you so much more than anyone else that he will kick the asses of anyone who dares mess with you. Or worse, when they use their moment in the spotlight to preach. It's the difference between Jimmy Carter sacrificing himself to help the needy because his religion tells him to, and Pat Robertson telling everyone they should vote and hate as he does because only he understands God.

Having avoided all the pre- and post-game nonsense, I have no idea which side of the line Tebow falls on.

[RandomThoughts]

25. I dont think

Very many religious people think God loves them more.

And I don't think they believe he will go around kicking peoples asses.

I do agree with you that Jimmy Carter is an excellent example of a way to live a good life, a good example for how I view things at least.

As far as TV preachers, I wonder where they find most of them.

[jobycom]

30. A lot of them do.

They call themselves God's Chosen People or talk about how God blesses their nation or their religion or their race or whatever over other nations or religions or races or whatever. Only their religion will get you to heaven, God will insure that their nation wins a war over other nations, God says that only they are allowed to marry, or only they are morally just.

Sure, they may say "God loves everyone equally" but they really mean "God loves me more."

Of course a lot of people, like Jimmy Carter, MLK, Malcolm X, Muhammad Ali, Mother Teresa, and many unsung beautiful people also use religion to remain humble, to explain why they are self-sacrificing and devoted to helping others. I couldn't say which side outnumbers the other. But a sizable portion of believers of every faith (and a disturbing number of atheists, too) believe that their belief makes them superior to others of different beliefs. Expecting God to reward you over others is an absolute sign that you believe God loves you more.

[RandomThoughts]

68. I agree with you on alot of that

Yea that belief of superiority is the bane of humanity. It allows people to break empathy, and do bad things. It is almost as if feelings of superiority are the only rational for lack of equality in anything. You can't have more or better of anything then your neighbor, unless you can rationalize why you deserve it. And superiority is one of the big ways to do this.

Many people of many religions, forget they are as flawed as other people. Somehow when people start thinking they are better then others, bad things start to happen.

This is not just a religious thing. It is what happens when people form groups. Most people would hurt 10 people to stop 1 in their group from being hurt. The idea that a person in their group is worth more then another group is part of the entire problem of humanity, or more the lack of it.

(true for many people but not all)
Americans think 1 american life is worth more then 10 Iraq lives.
Iranian's think 1 Iranian life is worth more then 10 Jewish lives.
Jewish people believe 1 Jewish life is more important then 10 Gaza lives.
and 100 other examples.

And all of this unequal value of the value of life between groups makes all retaliation escalate upward. 10 for 1, 100 for 10, 1000 for 100.

This could also be figured based on allowing others to suffer without hope, or happiness. Many would allow 10 'others' to suffer, to keep 1 of their own from suffering. And groups of 1 person are even worse.

Maybe you have to just think all life is sacred, and none can be given a value, because every time we start doing the math, we factor our own group as meaning more, (while the other groups do the same math with inverted results.). So only way I can figure it is to try and never hurt other life at any cost, since once you assign value you fall into the trap of unequal empathy.

It seems people in the world are real good at loving their neighbor.
The guy across the street? not so much.

And some people (including based on religion), do this way to much.

Thanks for such a great thread, really good responses and thoughtful comments, really gets a person thinking.

[Bake]

42. Verily, Tebow did not cross the line of which thou speakest.

Bake

[jobycom]

53. I shall taketh your wordeth on thateth. But who's Vera Lee? Is she related to Ken Lee?

[Bake]

57. I think she's Tebow's girlfriend.

The one with the ginormous hooters.

Bake

[RandomThoughts]

69. Talk about sideways memory association

(Off topic.)

Took a jolt when you mentioned Vera Lee.

pink floyd the wall

Vera (Waters) 1:38

Does anybody here remember Vera Lynn?
Remember how she said that
We would meet again
Some sunny day?
Vera! Vera!
What has become of you?
Does anybody else here
Feel the way I do?

Much better song.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vtfpX0uMspQ

[Drunken Irishman]

17. I am so tired of ESPN sucking his dick every chance they get.

I loved when they said, "Tib Tebow refuses to lose!"

Unless it's to Ole Miss!

[bullwinkle428]

21. Oh, the Fox Sports announcers took it to a whole new level last night!

[AngryAmish]

20. I'd love jesus too (click on pic)

[Dyedinthewoolliberal]

24. Holy Toledo!

That's one fine pair of ..................................................................................................................................................... young people! :) :bounce:

[rurallib]

28. Tebow can practice handling the ball of the field also

[libnnc]

46. um...dang

:wow:

[LisaM]

47. That picture is offensive on so many levels

I don't know where to begin!

What happens when she tries to jump rope? And how do college students afford......well, never mind. I'm sure SHE insists that they are real.

I had the idea Tebow was married. Who is that ginormous kid that he totes around?

[Bake]

49. Verily, the Lord hath blessed him!

Her, too. :-)

Bake

[crimsonblue]

59. holy shit she has big tits

I wonder if the God of Silicone gifted them to her in His Holy Jigglyness....

[RoyGBiv]

78. Jesus Christ!

Oh, wait, no, just ... um ... nice hair.

[jus_the_facts]

33. "And God so loveth the SEC that he gave his only begotten son Tebow....

....and whosoever believeth in him shall not perish but have everlasting records in the BCS" Tebow 3:16 :rofl:

[PVnRT]

37. I see Rex Grossman whispering to him, "Remember, thou art mortal

and I'm a shitty quarterback."

[crimsonblue]

58. god I hate tim tebow...

was it really necessary to have the john 3:16 reference on his eyeblack? Success really couldn't have happened to a bigger douchebag. :puke:

[pokerfan]

62. It's not always John 3:16

Sometimes it's Philippians 4:13...


I would have thought that given the nature of the game that Deuteronomy 23:1 might have been appropriate. Or Matthew 6:5-6, which would be great irony.

[RandomThoughts]

70. I have heard this Matthew 6:5-6 comment before

It may not be the same as what he is doing.

He is not praying, and he may not be claiming some righteousness or Holiness. If he is doing it because he thinks doing it makes him better in eyes of others, or for some self satisfaction, then it might apply.

I really don't know, never heard the guy speak.

But sometimes its fun to talk about what you believe in. And giving glory to God, is not necessarily the same thing as praying. It depends on intent.

And people wear corporate logos, they wear names of celebrities they might like, they wear items to make themselves look like a part of some social class.

What is wrong, if it is not done for some self glory, with saying that you love Jesus. Its fun to say, it feels good, its not telling others what they have to believe.

And if you pray in private, so that you can be seen by others as being a better Christian, (because you do not pray in public), so people know you pray in private, and you get other people to look up to you, then you are praying in private for the wrong reason also.

Its all depends on intent, and we all project our own thoughts to find others intent, so both sides of this discussion is quite funny.

[crimsonblue]

76. who gives a shit which one he uses...

he's clearly not very smart if he buys into that crap. Yeah, sure some guy was born by a virgin, led a "sin" free life, cured leppers, restored sight to blind people, rose the dead, created fish out of thin air, died and came back to life 3 days later. This shit is fucking idiotic!

[RagAss]

77. I must be a loser...My God doesn't watch football !