Atheism is not amorality

[BurtWorm]

Sorry. I don't know why I said that.

[PVnRT]

1. More alliteration, please

n/t

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

5. Atheists Actually Abominate Amorality. (at)

[NicoleM]

7. Admirable alliteration.

:thumbsup:

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

9. Am Always Aiming Accurate Accomplishment. (at)

[Iverson]

2. Atheisim also isn't atonal assonance.

Sorry. I know why I said that.

[BurtWorm]

3. Are you calling me an atonal assonant?

[Iverson]

19. Aha. All aspersions aside, ...

... atonal assonants are actually antiquarian artists, activating antebellum anapests. Any and all ancient anapests awaken animalistic actors' amoral affectations.

An armangac, anyone?

:toast:

[asjr]

4. You are correct.

That is the great thing about separation of CHurch and State. It allows an individual to believe as he wants. And it frightens me that Bush wants to make us all believe as one. To believe or not to believe is a right that shouldn't be toyed with.

[nini]

6. As a Catholic....

I agree. There are "Christians" who are far more immoral than those who do not believe.

We all have a certain character and morals within us. I don't believe it is all dependent on whether or not you believe in God. And if you are proven wrong after you die, the God I believe in will reward you for good morales anyway :-)

[BurtWorm]

8. It is amazing how many theists conflate atheism and amorality

It's actually rare to come upon a theist who can make the distinction. I think the confusion is what makes so many theists hostile, at best, to atheism.

[nini]

11. That and they don't really understand the God they believe in.

Why would someone even want to believe in a God that doesn't embrace all beings? It is so contrary to what God and faith is all about - it makes me nuts.

Just like Mel Gibson saying his wife isn't going to heaven because she is not Catholic? Puhlease.... What about all those people that died before Christ was born? Are they just out of luck?


:eyes:

[Az]

12. Laughing at you while you burn in hell

I can't tell you the number of times I have been acosted with that phrase. It always leaves me wondering. They rejoice in the suffering of others and they think they are the ones that get the message of peace and compassion? Eesh.

[nini]

14. Tell them believing in God does not give the right to judge as God does

This judmental stuff makes me nuts.. Who the f'ck do they think they are saying what God would or would not do with you?

[Az]

15. God of the Gaps and the unknowable nature of god

Due to our relentless increase of knowledge about the world around us the nature of god has had to retreat or be dismantled. Thus we are left with a claim for a god that is unknowable, unrepresented (except in sects that practice various forms of altering the state of mind), and undefined. The claim is continuously made that we cannot know the mind of god yet the beliefs are predicated on knowing what god wants. And any that do not toe that line are condemned for their skepticism. It is a viscious cycle.

[papau]

17. True - but I thought that was progress in religious thought!

Atheism is not amorality -

like any belief that is unprovable and therefore rests on faith, the faithful of Atheism should be presumed moral.

[supernova]

16. Yes, I don't get the whole

judgemental thing either. Who died and made them God?

I think people just enjoy using religion as a way of justifying their insecurities about the world, instead of learning about others and accepting them in a healthy way.

[nini]

18. I get in arguments all the time with fundy types over this stuff.

Being Catholic I'm a target to begin with these days, but it always amuses me fundies say I am not a Christian because Catholics aren't :eyes: I'm not born again and .. all that crap. All I know I was raised to respect the rights of others and the churches I always attended were pretty liberal and VERY open to all kinds of people.

Thankfully come judgment day it won't be the fundies asking the questions :-)

[Az]

10. Internal ethics vs External ethics

There are some that would have you believe that religion gives one a higher moral standing. That atheists are incapable of being moral because they have no source of ethical behaviour. This ironically may be suggestive of the inverse.

Because an atheist has to derive their own means of determining morality they internalize the process. It becomes a matter of consideration when trying to determine a moral course. The theologian will often simply turn to an external set of rules for a list of behaviours they are to follow. Leaving them bereft of a moral compass in situations that fall outside the prescribed list of morallity.

Thus when such unclear matters fall before groups of doctrinal moralists they fall about themself trying to assert that definitive moral position prescribed by their dogma. Often times insiting worse acts of bigotry and hatred as a result. When you externalize morallity and ethics, and insist that they are set in stone, you leave their definitions to those that would interpret them for you in an authoritative capacity. Thus leaving the adherants bereft of any true internal moral compass. Truly lead by those that would use them.

[supernova]

13. I agree totally, BurtWorm

I find the fact that some xtains say otherwise quite chilling indeed.