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ringmastery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-04 01:04 PM
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Was there a Christ Conspiracy?
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0932813747//ref=pd_ka_1/104-5706548-4111142?v=glance&s=books&vi=reviews

You Are Being Lied Too, April 1, 2001
Drawing together an amazing amount of research, Acharya S...demolishes the facade of Christianity, showing that it is 100% mythology.

From the Author
"The Christ Conspiracy" contains over 1200 footnotes that cite archaeological, historical and literary documentation by a wide variety of sources, including many Christian authorities extending back to the beginning of the Christian era. The book is a scholarly work that presents scientific analysis and facts, not "opinions."

The dating of the gospels to the last quarter of the second century is based on the work of Judge Charles Waite, from his detailed study in "History of the Christian Religion to the Year Two Hundred," which shows conclusively that the canonical gospels could not have existed earlier than 170-180 CE. Another excellent source of this information is Cassell's "Supernatural Religion," an 1100-page tome that goes into great detail, analyzing early Church fathers' works line by line.


Excerpted from The Christ Conspiracy: The Greatest Story Ever Sold by Acharya S. Copyright © 1999. Reprinted by permission. All rights reserved
Regarding the dating of the canonical gospels, lawyer Joseph Wheless states:

"The gospels are all priestly forgeries over a century after their pretended dates.... As said by the great critic, Salomon Reinach, 'With the exception of Papias, who speaks of a narrative by Mark, and a collection of sayings of Jesus, no Christian writer of the first half of the second century (i.e., up to 150 A.D.) quotes the Gospels or their reputed authors.'"

In "The Christ Myth," John Remsburg elucidates:

"The Four Gospels were unknown to the early Christian Fathers. Justin Martyr, the most eminent of the early Fathers, wrote about the middle of the second century. His writings in proof of the divinity of Christ demanded the use of these Gospels, had they existed in his time. He makes more than 300 quotations from the books of the Old Testament, and nearly one hundred from the Apocryphal books of the New Testament; but none from the four Gospels. Rev. Giles says: 'The very names of the Evangelists, Matthew, Mark, Luke and John, are never mentioned by him (Justin) - do not occur once in all his writings.'"

And Judge Charles Waite says:

"At the very threshold of the subject, we are met by the fact, that nowhere in all the writings of Justin, does he once so much as mention any of these gospels. Nor does he mention either of their supposed authors, except John. Once his name occurs; not, however, as the author of a gospel, but in such a connection as raises a very strong presumption that Justin knew of no gospel of John the Apostle."

Waite further states:

"No one of the four gospels is mentioned in any other part of the New Testament.... No work of art of any kind has ever been discovered, no painting, or engraving, no sculpture, or other relic of antiquity, which may be looked upon as furnishing additional evidence of the existence of those gospels, and which was executed earlier than the latter part of the second century. Even the exploration of the Christian catacombs failed to bring to light any evidence of that character.... The four gospels were written in Greek, and there was no translation of them into other languages, earlier than the third century."

The Gospel of Luke (170 CE)

The Gospel of Luke is acknowledged by early church fathers to be of a late date. As Waite states:

"...Jerome admits that not only the Gospel of Basilides, composed about A.D. 125, and other gospels, admitted to have been first published in the second century, were written before that of Luke, but even the Gospel of Apelles also, which was written not earlier than A.D. 160."

The Gospel of Mark (175 CE)

Like Waite, Mead also does not put Mark first: "It is very evident that Mt. and Lk. do not use our Mk., though they use most the material contained in our Mk..."

The Gospel of John (178 CE)

The Gospel of John is thought by most authorities to be the latest of the four, but Waite provides a compelling argument to place it third and reveals its purpose not only in refuting the Gnostics but also in establishing the primacy of the Roman Church:

"So strong is the evidence of a late date to this gospel, that its apostolic origin is being abandoned by the ablest evangelical writers.... Both Irenaeus and Jerome assert that John wrote against Cerinthus. Cerinthus thus flourished about A.D. 145. here is evidence that in the construction of this gospel, as in that of Matthew, the author had in view the building up of the Roman hierarchy, the foundations of which were then (about A.D. 177-89) being laid.... There is a reason to believe that both were written in the interest of the supremacy of the Church of Rome."

The Gospel of Matthew (180 CE)

Although it was claimed by later Christian writers to be a "translation" of a manuscript written in Hebrew by the apostle Matthew, the Gospel of Matthew did not exist prior to the end of the second century and was originally written in Greek. As Waite says:

"The Greek Gospel of Matthew was a subsequent production, and either originally appeared in the Greek language, or was a translation of the Gospel of the Hebrews, with extensive changes and additions. There is reason to believe it to have been an original compilation, based upon the Oracles of Christ, but containing, in whole, or in part, a number of other manuscripts."


Book Description
Controversial and explosive, The Christ Conspiracy marshals an enormous amount of startling evidence that the religion of Christianity and Jesus Christ were created by members of various secret societies, mystery schools and religions in order to unify the Roman Empire under one state religion! This powerful book maintains that these groups drew upon a multitude of myths and rituals that already existed long before the Christian era and reworked them into the story the Christian religion presents today-known to most Westerners as the Bible. Author Acharya makes the case that there was no actual person named Jesus, but that several characters were rolled into one mythic being inspired by the deities Mithras, Heracles/Hercules, Dionysus and many others of the Roman Empire. She demonstrates that the story of Jesus, as portrayed in the Gospels, is nearly identical in detail to those of the earlier savior-gods Krishna and Horus, and concludes that Jesus was certainly neither original nor unique, nor was he the divine revelation. Rather, he represents the very ancient body of knowledge derived from celestial observation and natural forces. A book that will initiate heated debate and inner struggle, it is intelligently written and referenced. The only book of its kind, it is destined for controversy.
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Fenris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-04 01:13 PM
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1. Religion always incorporates some form of mythology
There's a poignant passage in The Last Temptation of Christ in which Jesus reads the words of the disciple Matthew, who has been writing down what Jesus had done. Jesus throws his writings across the floor and scolds him, telling him he was lying. Matthew simply looks at Jesus and tells him that what he wrote down was what he was told to write down. The implication was, of course, that the voice of God had told Matthew what to write, whether it was accurate or not.

It just depends on the person. Since so little of Jesus' voice comes through in the New Testament, we are, unfortunately, dependent upon the authors of the Gospels to present an accurate portrayal of Jesus. And given that their purposes were propagation of the faith, they cannot always be wholeheartedly trusted.
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-04 01:51 PM
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6. Was sex with Mary the best scene in Last Temptation of Christ?
I love using a secular humanists (folks that totally reject the Bible and Christianity) item as proof that the early Christains are liars!

:-)

The filter - a phrase AZ likes to use - is that there is no final distinction between good and evil, between God and man, between matter and spirit, along with there are no objective absolutes. Everything is relative. What's true for you might not be true for me. Kazantzakis' story about Jesus is just as valid as the apostles', so the reliability and historicity of the New Testament is underminned. Cute - all Christain complaint, protest, or argument against The Last Temptation is now powerless.

Jesus: "I'm a liar. A hypocrite. I'm afraid of everything. I don't ever tell the truth--I don't have the courage! When I see a woman, I blush, and look away. I want to, but I don't dare!--for God....I don't steal, I don't fight, don't kill--not because I don't want to, but because I'm afraid. I want to rebel against you, against everything, against God! But, I'm afraid! You want to know who my mother and father are? Want to know who my God is? Fear. You look inside me and that's all you find....Lucifer is inside of me..." (transcribed from the movie, The Last Temptation of Christ).

Jesus: "But now you seek to kill Me, a Man who has told you the truth which I heard from God....If God were your Father, you would love Me, for I proceeded forth and came from God;....But because I tell the truth, you do not believe Me. Which of you convicts Me of sin? And if I tell the truth, why do you not believe Me?...I do not have a demon; but I honor My Father, and you dishonor Me....I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life. No one comes to the Father, except through Me" (recorded by the Apostle John).

Guess there is no contradiction between these two Jesuses. :-)

And Atheism is ethics because there is no absolute right or wrong - ethics are determined by one's own inner inclination. Man is the pinnacle of evolution into spirit--man becoming God, and God always becoming more God. As secular humanism and eastern pantheism (New Ageism) and relativism encouraged many to reject traditional Christianity, they also - unlike early secular humanist, do not treat Christains with any respect.

To Kazantzakis and Scorsese, the gospels themselves, the New Testament record, are just another story, an alternate fiction. Nikos Kazantzakis was a mystic, an existentialist, a modified Marxist, and a panentheist. Simplistically, this means that (1) he believed spiritual truth or insight came from inner experience; (2) the purpose of existence is to become, not to be; (3) progress or evolution always occurs through violent struggle; and (4) God is the ever-progressing, never-arriving soul of the universe. I wonder if that is our poster's belief?

In any case, an interest post at DU

peace

:-)

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JPace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-04 02:05 PM
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10. "(2) the purpose of existence is to become, not to be"
being a rather lazy sort...I was hoping "being"
would have rated a little higher.

peace
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-04 03:22 PM
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11. :-)
:-)
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JPace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-04 01:26 PM
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2. Well this ought to make for a lot of passion!
I find this interesting...just googled the author and
found this:(I am for truth....even when it is uncomfortable)

Scholar, Visionary
Truth Be Known
Reality Checks
About the Author
Acharya S was classically educated at some of the finest schools, receiving an undergraduate degree in Classics, Greek Civilization, from Franklin & Marshall College. She is a member of one of the world's most exclusive institutes for the study of Ancient Greek Civilization, the American School of Classical Studies at Athens, Greece:

"Founded in 1881, the American School of Classical Studies at Athens is the most significant resource in Greece for American scholars in the fields of ancient and post-classical studies in Greek language, literature, history, archaeology, and art. It offers two major resource libraries: the Blegen, with 70,000 volumes dedicated to ancient Greece; and the Gennadius, with 100,000 volumes dedicated to post-classical Greece. The School also sponsors excavations and provides centers for advanced research in archaeological and related topics at its excavations in the Athenian Agora and Corinth, and houses an archaeological laboratory at the main building complex in Athens. By agreement with the Greek government, the School is authorized to serve as liaison with the Greek Ministry of Culture on behalf of American students and scholars for the acquisition of permits to excavate and to study museum collections."

Acharya S has served as a trench master on archaeological excavations in Corinth, Greece, and Connecticut, USA, as well as a teacher's assistant on the island of Crete.

Acharya S has traveled extensively around Europe, and she speaks, reads and/or writes English, Greek, French, Spanish, Italian, German, Portuguese and a smattering of other languages to varying degrees. She has read Euripides, Plato and Homer in ancient Greek, and Cicero in Latin, as well as Chaucer's The Canterbury Tales in Middle English. She has also been compelled to cross-reference the Bible in the original Hebrew and ancient Greek.

Acharya S has gained mastery in several religions, as well other esoterica and the supernatural, and has a number of students and devotees. She is also the author of several books, including The Christ Conspiracy, Paradise Found and The Aquarian Manifesto: A Handbook for Survival into and a Blueprint for the New Age. Her current book is Suns of God: Krishna, Buddha and Christ Unveiled. Articles by Acharya S have been published in Exposure, Steamshovel Press, Paranoia, Abyss and Cyberculture Counterconspiracy II, Wake Up Down There! The Excluded Middle Anthology, as well as other periodicals and ezines.

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ringmastery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-04 01:29 PM
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4. she has another book coming out in June
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-04 01:29 PM
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3. This is a rewrite of a 1957 work was itself a rewrite of a 1910 book -both
Edited on Thu Mar-04-04 01:31 PM by papau
of which are the Fairfax County Virginia Public Library. Indeed Myths and their meaning from the 1840's is the same info without the anti-Christain spin. And Campbell does any excellent job on tying myths from various areas of the world together - and writes better than this lady - IMHO

There is nothing new or explosive - it is always the early Christains lie as do Early Romans -and a discussion of how myths in various areas of the world are similiar.


The only logic allowed is the IF Christainy says X and it is true, and Christains were a big deal, Roman writings would say Y - and they don't.

Have at it. Last I looked there were several hundred such titles in current print in English -

But she has a great resume
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JPace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-04 01:49 PM
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5. "But she has a great resume"
well I've done a little more searching and found
someone who doesn't think she qualifies as have
a great resume. It's like peeling off the big fish
and find an even smaller fish who swallowed yet a
smaller fish....
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http://www.genesoc.com/books/books/s/S-A1999.htm
Her ‘scientific’ and ‘objective’ authority is based on travel (I’ve done that), being familiar with Romance languages (I can claim that), sticking a shovel in the ground (done that), and having read a few books in their native languages (I’ve done that too). There is absolutely no mention of a PhD or MA or anything else. What’s more, I went to the American School of Classical Studies website and there is no mention of Acharya S (I used their search engine and followed every link). My guess is she is a janitor or secretary, because she isn’t a faculty member. Conclusion – Acharya S has no professional training or qualifications to write an authoritative book on the origins of Christianity.
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"There is nothing new or explosive"
I think you are very right here....I personally don't believe
that Jesus was used by God as a human sacrifice for man's sins.
But I must admit I never thought of the possibility that Jesus
never even existed. I'll have to ponder this one for awhile.



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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-04 01:53 PM
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7. Please see Post 6 above
peace

:-)
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ringmastery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-04 01:59 PM
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8. obviously
she's using a pseudonym to write the book.

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shrike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-04 02:05 PM
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9. Not this again
While it's highly possible that various myths were grafted onto the story of Jesus, I doubt anybody made him up out of whole cloth.
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