Who wants to do some Passion bashin'?

[everythingsxen]

How about we kick things off with some sequals for the The Passion of the Christ?

The Passion of the Crusades - The heroic story of centuries of war with Muslim's. Hey, they aren't Christian so they need to be purified by fire.

The Passion of the Salem Witch Trials - The heroic story of men and jealous women, burning other women alive in the name of God.

The Passion of the Inquisition - The heroic story of torturing jews and other 'heretics'; Hey it's ok.. they aren't Christians (someone else coined the name, who I forget.. pipe up and say something!)

Keep it going!

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

1. Read this:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/articles/04/03/02_atheists.html

[everythingsxen]

4. ROFL

That's hilarious!

[gorrister]

2. I do

The Passion Of The Passion

The touching story of how a marginally talented, mentally unstable, ex-drug addict, homophobic, son-of-a-holocaust-denier named Mel Gibson stirred up anti-Semitism among fundamentalist Christians and made millions.

[IconoclastIlene]

7. and his soul mate. ....Leni Riefennstahl...Triumph of the Will...Passion

Triumph of the Will...Passion at its propagandist best...not to be missed.

Yes, I know Leni died recently at age 101; only the good die young?

[Interrobang]

10. Welcome to DU, Gorrister!

Are you named after the character from Harlan Ellison's "I Have No Mouth and I Must Scream"?

Welcome!! :bounce:

[gorrister]

11. yep!

that's where I got it.

thanks for the welcome.

[Susang]

3. John Stewart coined "The Inquisition:The Passion of Torquemada"

Last night on the Daily Show while talking to Willem Dafoe.

[everythingsxen]

5. Oh?

AHAHAHAHAHA!

Beautiful! I had heard it somewhere on the board in the last few days.. Ah... :evilgrin:

[IconoclastIlene]

6. Why not: The Passions of Hitler and Mussolini..a must see.

I hate hatemongering and making a good living at it.

[everythingsxen]

8. BRILLIANT!

Then it would be time for The Passion of the KKK - The heart warming story of upstanding Christian men who understand the finer points of God's law. Like that good people only have white skin and everyone else is evil. Also, terror and murder are the appropriate ways to greet your new non-white neighbors. Fun for the whole family! (Bring your marshmallows for the cross-burning afterward!)

[DrWeird]

15. Yeah, they had that one.

It was called Birth of Nation. It was a big hit too.

Oh course Jesus is white in The Passon...

[Solomon]

30. He's always white because he is the god of white supremacy.

His picture was distributed all over the world by missionaries who paved the way for the armies.

[everythingsxen]

9. From a spooooky secret idea person!

The Passion of the Cathars - includes the famous line (spoken by the Cardinal-General) "Kill them all. God will know His own." ; A time honored classic! This is a must see!

[Screaming Lord Byron]

20. The sequel to that - The Passion of the Holy Blood.

Well sure, we love Jesus, but we'll damn well try and fuck up his kids.

[gator_in_Ontario]

12. The Passion of the Pedophiles

[Red State Rebel]

13. The people who thought this movie would bring about

antisemitism really missed the mark. At DU it has invigorated the Anti-Christian group to new heights.

Would this be tolerated if the title to this thread were:

How about some Muslim bashing?
How about some Jew bashing?
How about some Gay bashing?
How about some Black bashing?

Why is this tolerated only for Christians??

[DrWeird]

16. Who's christian bashing?

Nobody.

but we may be making fun of people who get their spirituality from $6 movie tickets, but they're hardly christian.

WWJD?

Walk into the movie theater, smash open the popcorn maker, knock all the candy off the shelves, and spill all the pop.

[Red State Rebel]

17. Nice try.....

[Screaming Lord Byron]

22. Fella, you misread - it's Gibson-bashing, not Christian-bashing.

Unless Mel represents your views, right?

[Red State Rebel]

24. I'm a Christian and the movie represents my beliefs.

[everythingsxen]

26. Wow.. so you actually believe...

That Jesus built a table and had that little "funny scene" that could only have happened if a hack writer had added it?

Sorry it is little inaccuracies like that which destroy the credibility of this movie.

If it stuck to what the Bible said, I would not pan it as much as I do.

[Red State Rebel]

27. The basic story of the movie is true to me, trying to

trivialize it because of "filler" is ridiculous. Give me an example of one biographic movie that doesn't have the same thing.

[everythingsxen]

28. Look...

if they were going to have filler, why not have filler that, oh, I don't know.. had a jew who was really sad and depressed about Jesus' death. Maybe try to have it not be quite such a condemning view of jews?

I am not saying that a book to movie translation is perfect, but this is downright slanderous.

[Red State Rebel]

37. If this movie is making Jews look so bad then why is it

that the Christians are getting bashed? If you read the gospels, the Jews were involved in the process that eventually lead to the death of Jesus, there is no way to get around it. If Mel Gibson had sugar coated that part of it he would have made a mockery of the entire situation.

As it is, the horrible anti-semitism that was supposed to be caused by this movie hasn't materialized - big suprise! What has materialized is Christian bashing of the highest order.

As I said before, if this mocking were towards any other group besides Christians, it would not be tolerated here. For some reason, DUers can declare open season on us with no repercussion. How sad that people get their entertainment by belittling others.

[everythingsxen]

39. What about churches with "Jews killed Christ" on signs?

I guess that's not anti-semitic at all...

[Red State Rebel]

40. That happened in one church by a elderly pastor and members

of his congregation came to the church and took it down.

[everythingsxen]

44. One that made it in the news..

There are a lot of small towns out there. A lot of small towns with no DUers and plenty of loyal churchgoers. Who's to say if there aren't more?

And just because violence has not erupted yet doesn't mean it won't.

It hasn't been out that long.

[scottcsmith]

45. I hate to break it to you

But the Christian bible is not exactly the most accurate of books, and its depiction of Jewish life, circa first century, is almost entirely a work of fiction. Writers, living under Roman rule, had to create a version of events that played down Roman involvement in Christ's execution, despite the fact that the Roman leadership was 100% responsible for crucifying Christ. The Jews living under Pilate's rule had absolutely no authority to execute anyone. Also, crucifixion was a uniquely Roman form of punishment, designed to send a message to others who might want to rise up against the Roman empire. And even if a mob of Jews had brought Jesus before Pilate, Pilate would have sent Roman soldiers to beat back the crowd, and possibly kill most of them, as Pilate was paranoid over possible insurrections of his subjects. Pilate would not have been wracked with indecision, either, nor would he be swayed by a crowd.

As the film has only been out a little over a week, it may take a while -- perhaps years -- for the seeds of anti-Semitism to grow. Just wait until this film hits the screens in Europe and Asia.

[silverlib]

29. My adult daughter feels the same way...

and is shocked, that as a Christian, I do not approve of the violence in this movie. I explained it to her this way...

If I had run into a burning building and saved her life when she was a baby, but when I ran out with her wrapped in a blanket, I was on fire and later died and someone caught this event on tape...would I want her to watch the tape? Absolutely not! A movie where she could visualize how I showed my love for her, holding her when she was sick, feeding her when she was hungry, telling her stories, laughing with her and making sure her needs were met - yes. But would I want her to watch me suffer for the love that I held for her - no. I would think that instead of thanking me for her life, she would hold so much guilt for my final act of love, that the rest would mean nothing. The rest of the story would be what I would want to leave her with. She would always know my final act of love, but I would never want her to dwell on that alone and without the rest of the story.

This thread is not Christian bashing. It's talking about the social impact of a story told out of context, the intent of which may never be truly explainable.

[Red State Rebel]

36. Surely you are not suggesting this thread is supposed to be

serious in any way shape or form. It was set up to insult the movie The Passion of Christ and,therefore, the content of the movie.

[everythingsxen]

38. Absolutely Serious!

Serious about mocking, insulting, deriding and all around trashing the steaming pile of fundie crap that is The Passion.

Once AGAIN, the content, the majority of it, I could care less about. I am not mocking your faith in it, I am mocking the fact that it is anti-semitism and homophobia under the guise of religion (again).

If you find this thread too much of a "cross to bear"; stop reading it. Those of us who enjoy trashing this movie can continue to do so just fine. :evilgrin:

[Red State Rebel]

41. Where is all the Jew bashing if it is anti-semitic?

I don't see hordes of Christians burning down Synagogues after seeing the movie, do you? Homophobic????? Where??

[everythingsxen]

42. There are subtle references to it..

As far as not burning down synagogues...

Well it is like this: They don't have to burn Synagogues down for it to be anti-semitic. It simply is. Again, a lot of the film is based on the "visions" of a woman who hated jews.

[silverlib]

43. Mel Gibson edited the film....

most of the anti-semitic stuff was removed, not by his wishes, but by demand. What might not be anti-semitic to you could be anti-semitic to someone else. The movie was scripted originally, without deviation, to passion plays written many years ago and performed in Europe. They were actually banned because people did burn down Synagogues. Mel Gibson was forced to remove the "really bad stuff" before being released in theaters.

I'm sorry you are offended by this thread, but you have a great opportunity to use the "Ignore" button.

[scottcsmith]

47. It was NOT removed

It's all there in its anti-Semitic glory. The only thing Gibson removed was a subtitle of the crowd screaming out for the blood of Christ to be on their hands and the hands of their children. The dialog remains intact, it's just spoken in Aramaic.

[scottcsmith]

31. One problem

A large portion of The Passion is not based upon scripture, but upon the visions of the nun Anne Catherine Emmerich. She wrote "The Dolorous Passion" in the 1800s, and much of the movie is based on her visions, primarily the torture and crucifixion of Jesus.

Read Mark's account of the Passion and you'll notice how different it is to the other Gospels. That's because Mark's Gospel was written before any of the other Gospels, in approx. 70 CE. Mark's Gospel, in fact, is recognized by biblical scholars as the source material for the Gospels of Matthew and Luke. The writers of Matthew and Luke took Mark's material and added their own interpretation of the events. Mark's account is the most "pure" version of the Passion. Mark's account does not contain the comments by the Jewish crowd that the blood of Christ would be on their hands and their children's hands.

Not surprisingly, Gibson's screenplay does not draw much, if any, material from Mark.

[BigMcLargehuge]

46. I think he'sd probably just kick over the ATM machine

but what do I know :)

[regnaD kciN]

51. Well, everythingsxen, for one...

...read his original post and replies 6 and 8. Christianity can be defined by the Crusades, Salem Witch Trials, Inquisition, KKK and Cathars. Pure and simple. Guilty, guilty, guilty. That isn't Christian-bashing?

:crazy:

Yep, and the U.S. can be defined by slavery, the extermination of the Native Americans, sweatshops (here and abroad), the atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, etc. Case closed -- the U.S. is evil, and should be wiped out. At the very least, we should all have to listen to how monstrous we are, day after day after day.

:puke:

The fact is, any ethnic, national, or religious group can be demonized, as long as you make sure people are only allowed to focus on the darkest actions, or the times when a nation or religion has failed to live up to their ideals. Then insist, loudly, that these incidents represent the true face of that group, and that anything else that may portray them in a more positive light merely represents "window dressing."

Show me one group of which that cannot be said, and I'll show you a group that has never been in any position of power any time in the history of the world.

[everythingsxen]

57. I have said it time and again in regard to the Passion..

It is a bad idea. Especially right now in America. This sort of stuff does not need to be done. Not with right-wing uber-Fundies in control of our country.

I respect real Christians who actually stick to their beliefs. However, a whole lot of them end up being psycho fundies who somehow equate being righteous with committing atrocities.

[everythingsxen]

18. I'm sorry SaidFred

as the person who started this thread, I didn't mean to imply that I wanted to bash Christians.

I am bashing a shitty movie that supposedly invigorates the Christian faith, while all it really does is generate anti-semitism (not to mention I am sure it gives a lot more fundies an even greater feeling of superiority when they hate "sodomites").

I am sorry they made a stupid, inaccurate and all around crappy movie about your savior. I have nothing against Jesus, in fact he sounds like a great guy. I just have serious problems with the horrors that are committed in his name. Like this movie.

Again - Not bashing you or your beliefs. I am bashing a movie and the idiot director who made it.

[regnaD kciN]

52. How curious, Rob...

You say that you weren't intending to bash Christians, merely Gibson's movie. But, in your first few posts, you "defined" Christianity as the Crusades, Inquisition, Witch Trials, and Ku Klux Klan.

Similarly, Mel Gibson strongly claims that he has no animosity against Jews, and merely wanted to illustrate what great a love Jesus had for us that he would consent to such a brutal death in order to save us. But, in his film, he (apparently -- I haven't seen it and don't plan to) portrays the Jews in league with a figure representing Satan, gleefully watching Jesus being flogged nearly to death, blackmailing Pilate into issuing a death sentence, building the cross in the Temple, etc., etc.

Isn't the symmetry wonderfully ironic? And might I suggest that blind spots are not restricted to members of any one belief system?

[everythingsxen]

58. Did I say...

Christianity = Crusades, Inquisition, Witch Trials, and Ku Klux Klan ?

No. I don't think I did. I made humorous remarks regarding sequals to the Passion.

[scottcsmith]

19. This is Gibson bashing

No one is bashing Christianity, they're bashing a movie. The Passion is strictly Mel Gibson's interpretation of the Passion story found in Matthew, Mark, Luke and John. He adds his own dramatic license to the film, as well as relying on the visions of a nun named Anne Catherine Emmerich, who envisioned the bloody torture of Jesus in the 1800s; Gibson used these visions in his film. Not surprisingly, Sister Anne was not a big fan of the Jewish people. "The sight of Jesus' sufferings, far from exciting a feeling of compassion in the hard-hearted Jews, simply filled them with disgust and increased their rage. Pity was, indeed, a feeling unknown in their cruel breast," Sister Anne wrote in "The Dolorous Passion."

Unless Mel Gibson is now the equivalent of God, the only bashing going on is against his film, and not Christianity.

[Deja Q]

14. A "E! True Hollywood Story" special:

"The Passion of Kid Dyn-O-Mite", a bio of Jimmie Walker:

Local standup comic. Got a role on "Good Times" by sheer chance. Pissed off the actors who thought the show should have been better and aimed more closely toward the African American community as being something to look up to, and without JJ being in the cast as he did nothing but inflate his own sad ego. "Good Times" ended 5 years later. Jimmie Walker now out of a job until 1995 where he makes a limpy comeback by appealing to white rich men by cracking pro-right-wing jokes.

In the end? Kid Dyn-O-Mite grew up to be Man Oh-ree-oh!

:wow:

[arwalden]

21. Elizabeth Taylor's Passion For Men

The COLOGNE you screwball... not her REAL passion for men! I like it.

[AlienGirl]

23. Hehe...

Mel Gibson is one of those actors whose faces are so "average" that I can't identify him. I once saw three movies in a row that he played the lead in, and didn't realize it was all the same actor!

Oh, and his dad's a nut job.

I said "nut."

Tucker

[everythingsxen]

25. *giggle*

You are funny. :D

[Solomon]

32. Welll just for the record, since this thread is about Pashin bashin,

I want to say, I saw the movie, and it's utter trash. Appeals to the basest instinct, no soul to it at all.

And I can't believe nobody is complaining about the obvious subliminal condemnation of homosexuals and transgender folk. The depiction of the devil is purposely done as bluring the distinction between male and female. I found it shocking. Yet I've not heard a single complaint about it.

[everythingsxen]

35. I made a vague complaint..

Not even realizing it was a legitimate complaint.

:evilgrin:

How easy it is to read a fundies mind without even having to see this piece of drek.

[chefgirl]

49. Excuse me if I misunderstand

Do you mean to say that you haven't even seen the movie?


-chef-

[everythingsxen]

50. That is correct!

Although I do take the word of a lot of people (whose opinions I trust) who have seen the movie. Plus I have the uncanny ability to know a movie sucks without seeing it.

Plus I have no desire to line Mel's pockets any further. I may yet go see it, if nothing else to justify my faith that this movie is in fact, the tripe I know it is.

[chefgirl]

54. Oh, OK

>>I have the uncanny ability to know a movie sucks without seeing it.<<

Well, thats proof enough for me. After all, how could I possibly impune someone's 'uncanny' abilities?? Guess you told me!

-chef-

[everythingsxen]

56. Nowhere in this thread...

Have I said I have seen it, nor have I actually told anyone to not see it.

I would not presume to tell people what they can and can't do with their free time.

In my free time I enjoy reading, surfing the web, talking to my friends and condemning my soul to eternal hellfire.

[SHRED]

33. Founding Fathers

The Passion of the Founding Fathers ---The heroic epic of the Founding Father's slavery, Native American genocide, environmental destruction, and the modern day christians who adore them.

[SHRED]

34. Explorers

The Passion of the Explorers--- A heroic tale of how the New World was burnt, pillaged, raped and plundered by explorers; and the modern day American educational system that covered it up, then made them into heroes.

[everythingsxen]

48. Here is someone with a Pro-Passion viewpoint..

It's a very well written and thought out article!

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=108&ncid=759&e=1&u=/uclicktext/20040304/cm_ucac/thepassionoftheliberal

[regnaD kciN]

53. Very funny...

...yes, you might as well drag Ann-thrax into it.

:eyes:

[everythingsxen]

55. Ok I admit.. that was dirty pool

but it is such a strong case against it. :evilgrin: