RESOLVED: Matthew Sweet is the most underappreciated musician of the past 1320 years.

[Dr. Strange]

Arguing for: DUers whose username has a repeated letter used consecutively (such as, say, Pierre.Suave).
Arguing against: DUers whose username has no such abomination (such as, say, TZ).

Here are some videos for purposes of research:

Girlfriend
Sick of Myself
Where You Get Love
Come to California
Ugly Truth Rock
Save Time for Me


All right, let's do this thing.

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[Pierre.Suave]

1. hey, wait a minute

I dont even know who this guy is!

edit: ok, I watched the first link and HOLY HELL THIS GUY SUCKS!

:rofl:

[Dr. Strange]

3. That would tend to support the "underappreciated" aspect, don't you think?

Your side is failing mightily!

[BeachBaby]

2. temeah told me that *I* am the most underappreciated musician.

I think this presents a conflict of interest.

[Dr. Strange]

6. Curses!

My debate is beset with conflict! Grrr!
The headboard of directors at the temeah Foundation will hear about this, mark my words!

[TZ]

4. He's no Geddy Lee.

Nuff Said!:P

[Symarip]

9. I agree.

While they both do suck, Geddy Lee is usually over-appreciated.

[TZ]

11. PFFT!

And here I was gonna say something nice about wanting to meet you in another thread..:grr:

[Symarip]

12. March 12th.

Fletchers. Baltimore.

There might be a sighting.

[MrCoffee]

5. Seeing as how I don't appreciate the musical stylings of Matthew Sweet at all, you may be right

I may be crazy. But it just might be a lunatic you're looking for.

[TZ]

8. Nice post, Billy Joel!

:rofl:

[AwakeAtLast]

38. I think he's been drinking again

:D

:rofl:

[Parche]

7. Genesis is better

:woohoo: :hi:

[Dr. Strange]

10. No, Genesis is more appreciated.

Their music is NOT as sweet as Matthew's.
Ha! My awesome pun has won the day!

[Parche]

13. I dont think so Thats All

my pun is better

:woohoo: :rofl: :hi:

[Lost in CT]

18. Do you like Phil Collins?

I've been a big Genesis fan ever since the release of their 1980 album, Duke. Before that, I really didn't understand any of their work. Too artsy, too intellectual. It was on Duke where Phil Collins' presence became more apparent. I think Invisible Touch was the group's undisputed masterpiece. It's an epic meditation on intangibility. At the same time, it deepens and enriches the meaning of the preceding three albums. Christy, take off your robe. Listen to the brilliant ensemble playing of Banks, Collins and Rutherford. You can practically hear every nuance of every instrument. Sabrina, remove your dress. In terms of lyrical craftsmanship, the sheer songwriting, this album hits a new peak of professionalism. Sabrina, why don't you, uh, dance a little. Take the lyrics to Land of Confusion. In this song, Phil Collins addresses the problems of abusive political authority. In Too Deep is the most moving pop song of the 1980s, about monogamy and commitment. The song is extremely uplifting. Their lyrics are as positive and affirmative as anything I've heard in rock. Christy, get down on your knees so Sabrina can see your asshole. Phil Collins' solo career seems to be more commercial and therefore more satisfying, in a narrower way. Especially songs like In the Air Tonight and Against All Odds. Sabrina, don't just stare at it, eat it. But I also think Phil Collins works best within the confines of the group, than as a solo artist, and I stress the word artist. This is Sussudio, a great, great song, a personal favorite.

[Parche]

22. one of my favorites

i saw him in concert in LAX in 1992
:woohoo: :hi:

[mitchum]

31. Your musical taste may suck, but your literary taste is exquisite

:)

[taterguy]

14. Do I have to go all music snob on you?

Matthew's great but there are tons of musicians just as good who are / were less appreciated.

Sweet's old boss Anton Fier springs to mind

[Dr. Strange]

17. Really? He "springs to mind?"

Considering that you were recently looking for your mind, I shall show a great lack of appreciation for your post.

[tanngrisnir3]

29. Peter Case, Dave Alvin, Finn Brothers, Senor Lowtax & the Giant Space Leprechaun

I could go on and on....

[taterguy]

33. I've never heard of any of those folks, they can't be any good

:sarcasm:, in case you couldn't tell

[tanngrisnir3]

35. Well, not the last one. I pulled that one out of my ass. ;-)

[SoxFan]

15. Not as long as Mike Scott still draws breath

[Dr. Strange]

16. Oooh!

:thumbsup:

[Lost in CT]

19. Huey Lewis and the News

Their early work was a little too new wave for my tastes, but when Sports came out in '83, I think they really came into their own, commercial and artistically. The whole album has a clear, crisp sound, and a new sheen of consummate professionalism that really gives the songs a big boost. He's been compared to Elvis Costello, but I think Huey has a far much more bitter, cynical sense of humour.

In '87, Huey released this, Fore, their most accomplished album. I think their undisputed masterpiece is "Hip to be Square", a song so catchy, most people probably don't listen to the lyrics. But they should, because it's not just about the pleasures of conformity, and the importance of trends, it's also a personal statement about the band itself.

[nomorenomore08]

30. TRY GETTING A RESERVATION AT DORSIA NOW YOU FUCKING STUPID BASTARD!!!

:rofl:

[Arugula Latte]

20. I was just listening to "Sick of Myself" and "Devil with the Green Eyes" yesterday.

I like the Matthew.

[FKA MNChimpH8R]

21. "Girlfriend" is a piece of perfection

and so is "Waiting." Janglepop RULES!

:loveya:

[CrownPrinceBandar]

23. "Altered Beast" is a top-notch album.........

I saw him on the "100% Fun" tour, and it was a great show.

[Rabrrrrrr]

24. Since you put me in the odious and impossible task of arguing for your ignorant indefensible theory,

let me try this:

In the intersection of the set {all musicians of the past 1320 years} with the set {Whoever that asshole is you mention, Kenny G, Locutus, Mariah Carey, Poco, Beyonce, Celine, Clint Black, The Lawrence Welk accordion guy, a block of cheddar}, "Whoever the asshole is you mention" is indeed the best musician.

And he's absolutely my favorite.

[tigereye]

25. yes, he's very cool

one time when my indie-type band as recording we were told we sounded like him. I took it as a complement.

[Shakespeare]

26. If you're not already familiar with it, try to get your hands on The Thorns CD.

It's Sweet with Pete Droge and Shawn Mullins. :thumbsup:

[Dr. Strange]

37. I am so checking that out.

Thanks!

[tanngrisnir3]

27. Wrong. Josh Rouse has a better level of quality, better songs and...

is from Nebraska.

[ceile]

28. Very true.

I caught his guitar pick he threw into the crowd at a show when I was in high school. Great day...I still have that pick.

[no name no slogan]

32. He's good, but he's not fit to carry John Doe's jockstrap

John Doe > Matthew Sweet > your mom

[racaulk]

34. Who?

:hide:

[Dr. Strange]

36. Ah, racaulk.

aka Mr "too risque even for the Lounge."

:rofl:

[racaulk]

40. ROFL!

I didn't see your reply in that thread until today. That whole episode was EPIC! :rofl:

I'm just glad I was on my best behavior in that thread. Lesson learned: Don't say anything in the mod forum that you don't want to be public knowledge, because it just might be.

:P

Speaking of risque...have you heard the latest about Gavin Rossdale?

[Dr. Strange]

42. ?

No, what's the goat up to?

[Amerigo Vespucci]

39. He had the late, great Robert Quine in his band...

...a man who, as we all know, returned Lou Reed to glory after years of being a washed-up junkie punchline to one too many jokes.

I remember the Rolling Stone review for Blue Mask, and the title track in particular, with it's right-channel, left-channel guitar "dog fight" between Lou and Bob.

Bob pushed Lou in all the right ways, Bob made Lou want to pick up the guitar again.

Sweet was an underappreciated musician who had the opportunity to partner with an underappreciated legend.



I have Sweet's "Time Capsule" (with Bob on guitar) on one of the mix CDs in my car. It's like a great, lost "Revolver" track.

:toast:

[KamaAina]

41. I'd say it's between him and the guy who wrote "Greensleeves".

As long as we're only talking about the last 1320 years, that is. Some of those Greek choruses, man... :P