Dish Network Sucks BIGTIME.

[Beaker]

if you were thinking about switching to them, DON'T!!!

do yourself a HUGE favour, and go with DirectTV instead

Charlie ergen, the CEO of Dish, is a very customer unfriendly CEO, and his company deserves to lose as many subscribers as possible.
I'd rather send my subscription money too rupert murdoch than charlie the ass.

[PVnRT]

1. Yeah, they're cancelling a whole shitload of stations

I see the little messages floating across the bottom of the screen sometimes saying that Dish Network is cancelling this and other stations. Something tells me that fees will stay nice and high, though.

[Beaker]

3. they've dropped local CBS channels, and comedycentral...

no jon stewart tonite for beaker...no survivor or csi on thursday...no letterman...no DickVanDyke show(they're also dropping TVland and Nickelodeon)...no SpongeBob...

fuck dish...I'm ordering my new directtv system today, and when it comes, I'll be dropping dish like the load of shit they are.

[elfwitch]

41. me too!!

amen

[Soloflecks]

17. Oh, but they're issuing credits!

$1 off for your inconvenience! I'm giving them a week or so then I'll go DirectTV which I've had before.

[Beaker]

40. i'm not giving them a week or so...

i'm giving them until the daily show airs tonite. after that, i make the call to the directtv re-seller, and after that i'll have a 1-year commitment to rupert, so charlie will be out of luck.

[supernova]

2. They're have a dispute with Viacom

as far as I know.

[Beaker]

5. charlie ergen having a pissing contest with sumner redstone-

and as usual, it's the customer who gets soaked...

[supernova]

22. It appears you're not paying attention

to what anyone else in this thread is telling you.

And btw, NO WAY, NO HOW could you get me to give money to that asshold Rupert Murdoch.

[Beaker]

38. if you subscribe to dish network...

you're giving money to rupert murdoch, because dish does not allow you to opt out of faux news channel or faux sports net...

[pstokely]

44. you give less to Murdock with Dish Net or cable

you give more to Murdock and Faux News with Direct TV

[Beaker]

46. oh well.

if i kept dish network, i'd have to give money to that lying hypocrite asshole charlie ergen-
and right now, he's deeper on my shitlist than murdoch.

[BlueEyedSon]

4. Two words reason to stay on DISH:

Rupert Murdoch.

[Beaker]

6. I. Don't. Care.

I don't like the idea of sending rupert the money, but for dish to do this is so reprehensible, that I'd rather send the cash to rupert than charlie...and that's saying something.

[DenverDem]

13. If you would rather send Rupert money

then you are not very smart and obviously not seeing the big picture in this dispute. Viacom are the global corporatist bullies in this deal and Charlie Ergen is the only guy looking out for you.

Viacom doesn't care and the FCC doesn't care either.

You need to choose sides with a little more insight and a little less selfishness.

[Beaker]

18. if i'm the selfish one...

why is dish network only giving me $1.00/month credit, when they already pay viacom 4-5 times that amount per customer??

ALL capitalists are greedy.
it's their nature.

[DenverDem]

23. All capitalists are greedy

and that is the reason we should have a government that regulates their greed, not one that is run by the same greedy tenets.

You need to choose which capitalist to back in this fight and backing Viacom is supporting the Evil Empire.

Echostar is the group of capitalists getting screwed here and their customers are the ultimate screwees.

But don't expect to get any help from the governmental agency that should be protecting the people, they only protect their coporate overlords.

If Echostar gets crushed in this that will leave only Direct TV who are complete assholes.

At least support the American company in this.

[Beaker]

39. as far as i'm concerned, and going by my experiences with them...

dish network people are complete assholes.

directtv may be too- but at least they'll let me opt out of faux sports net- the assholes at dish won't.

[Beaker]

20. also...

by going with directtv, i can opt out of FOX sports net- can't do that on Dish, so Dish customers are sending money to rupert anyway...

[elfwitch]

42. I'm with you

I cannot live without my Jon Stewart and my son is already going through Blues Clues DTs.

[DCDemo]

7. It's not all Dish Network

I am about to Join Dish...just waiting for all the trouble to die down with VIacom.

I have read a lot about this issue, and it's like this:

Dish Network doesn't want all of the channels that Viacom is bundling together and insisting be included in the Dish Network Basic Package.

DN would rather have some in Basic, some at higher levels, but Viacom refuses.

Since DN has the lowest prices for programming, and since they are fighting to keep their and their customers' costs low, I think they are in the right.

I personally can't wait until I can drop all the Sports crap and save 1/4 of my cable bill each month, but that's still years away....

[SoCalDem]

12. I hear you on the sports channels

I would like to just pick the ones I want.. I wish they would stop the bundling completely..

If a channel is not "good enough" to be chosen , then it needs to be cheaper..

I also do not "need" the korean,spanish,chinese channels either..

Boy do I wish the consolodation had never been allowed..

I can still remember when Discovery, TLC, A&E were independent.. The content has suffered since now they are mostly "dumping grounds" for their "parent" corporation..

I really miss Dave Letterman :( and Jon Stewart too..

If Comedy channel had not allowed itself to be gobbled up by Viacom, they would still be available..

[Beaker]

16. If you don't like sports- go with directtv...you can opt out.

of FOX Sports net...you can't do that with DISH.

i've already run the numbers- by opting out of the sports package, I'll get more channels from Directtv for less money than i currently pay dish.
plus- i can sell my dish equipment and smart cards for a couple hundred bucks on ebay.

i guess i ought to thank charlie for waking me up with his stupid decision.

[NashVegas]

28. Not Sure I Agree About the Programming Price

I tried working it out for a switch to Dish a few weeks ago, I'd be paying at least $10 more to have the channels I get on DirecTV + HBO. Dish would include Encore for the price, but I don't see Encore as a necessity like I do HBO. Plus, Dish doesn't get TrioTV and NWI.

[JM]

8. I just switched from DirecTV

And believe me, they are not much better. The net of it is whoever you wind up with, you are being squeezed like a fucking grape between corporate giants. I am getting ready to cut back on my service in the meantime.

I seem to recall going through similar bullshit several years ago during contract "negotiations" at DirecTV.

JM the pissed

[Robb]

9. Charlie's a decent guy

Father-in-law met him, liked him. If he's leveraging the outrage of his customers to put pressure on Viacom to not raise their rates to him, I would think that's ultimately in the customer's best interest. :shrug:

He's got a long way to go to out-bastard Murdoch.

[Beaker]

14. he's giving people a credit on their bill...

of one stinking dollar per month for withholding those channels- when they pay viacom much more than one dollar per month per subscriber-
and then he bleets on about the "greed" of viacom...

he tells people to "contact the decision makers involved" and then gives the name and phone number for the president of CBS- BUT charlie isn't willing to take customer calls- he expects the cbs president to appparently, but he's not willing to do the same...he's a major asshole.

[JM]

27. Newsflash...

...Viacom is hiding out. They don't publish any way of contacting them electronically. I just emailed CBS since I could not find any way of contacting Viacom directly.

As a business person, I prefer email since I have a paper trail and something I can send to people or print and carry into a meeting. Much harder to do with a voicemail.

JM

[Beaker]

47. i prefer phone contact.

right now, charlie has over 20,000 emails to read, and it keeps getting higher-
and he PROMISED to read each and every one!!!

su-u-r-e he will...

lying asshole.

[DenverDem]

10. Viacom are the ASSHOLES.

You need to learn about the issue before making pronouncements. The problem is Viacom, the third largest media company in the country trying to force Echostar to carry additional channels and pay more money per subscriber to continue to carry Viacom's programming.

Additionally, the problem is the willful lack of oversight by the FCC. They claim no jurisdiction over this dispute even though both companies are using The People's airwaves and bandwidth to make billions in the case of Viacom, and millions in the case of Echostar.

The fact that Viacom and their global corporatist media cronies own a large piece of this misadministration is the biggest problem.

Blaming a small fry like Echostar for trying to stand up to a megalamaniacle bully like Viacom is short sighted and selfishly ignorant. Call Sumner Redstone and bitch at him, he's the ASSHOLE, not Charlie Ergen.

[Beaker]

15. if Ergen's NOT an asshole-

why is he only crediting people $1.00/month for the missing channels, when Dish pays more in the range of $5-6 per customer to Viacom???

and then he complains about the GREED of the people at viacom...

if he doesn't want to appear a total hypocrite- he should give customers the full monthly credit.

[DenverDem]

24. If he gives you your $5

you still won't be satisfied and his company will go out of business leaving only Direct TV.

You are only self interested here and have no concept of the larger issues in play that have an important impact on how business is done in the future.

You are backing the corporate globalists who only want to screw you until you are their slave, ultimately.

Open your eyes to see beyond your front door.

[Beaker]

36. Dish is just as much a corporation-

charlie complains that viacom is forcing them to take channels in "bundles', but he does THE EXACT SAME THING forcing dish network customers to take and pay for channels they don't want, in order to get others.
he's a fucking hypocrite.

[DenverDem]

37. Enrich an Australian fascist, then.

Great choice.

[Beaker]

48. well charlie has already fucked me over personally-

rupert hasn't, so i'll give him the benefit of the doubt until he does(then i'll be ragging about direct tv, but at least i won't have crappy dish network service.

[DenverDem]

49. Rupert fucks you over 24 hours a day

with right wing propagandizing on faux news masquerading as "fair and balanced". He also supports radical right wing causes around the world with the money you will give him. Now you will have crappy Direct TV service, no improvement, and you will be helping fund fascists to screw you over in many other ways.

Charlie didn't fuck you over personally, Viacom did.

Also, Dish has Free Speech TV, 9415.

[Demonaut]

31. I've met Ergen, he is an asshole, to his employees

and his customers.....he's a rags to richs to ultimate asshole.

[JM]

33. Name me 10 CEOs

of Fortune 500 companies that AREN'T assholes to others. This is not anything new, nor does it have anything to do with the issue.

The fact is their egos are at stake and both CEOs are playing a game of Chicken with consumers.

Last I heard both their stocks were down significantly.

JM

[Rainbowreflect]

11. We have dish and love it.

We have always had great service & the issue with no local channels is because of local cables putting the heat on NBC, CBS, ABC & FOX not to allow them. Dish suggest we write the local stations, which we did. There response was we could get them with cable. Bushit.
So we get NBC out of Chicago and no others.

[Demonaut]

19. I have to agree, dish network sucks

I've sold both systems, I've had both systems, Dish network lies to its customers and its retailers but I've never had a problem with Directtv.

[Beaker]

21. EXACTLY.

Dish network employees are lying sacks of shit.

[Sandpiper]

25. Join DirectTV

If you want to send your money to the GOP's chief propagandist.

[rustydog]

26. Ergen doesn't want to pay bribery-rates to Viacom...

i applaud what he is doing. You can pay Murdock all you want and you can watch all the Fox you want.
i'll stick with Dish network.

[Beaker]

35. if you have dish network, you already send rupert murdoch money

DISH doesn't allow you to opt out of FOX News channel, or FOX sports net, so part of your money still goes to rupert...and since viacom already charges Dish more than $1 per subscriber per month, charlie just gave you a big rate increase, since he's only giving back $1 to the customers, and pocketing the rest.

[JM]

29. I have now emailed

The CEO of DISH, CBS, KDKA (local CBS affiliate), and the two largest advertisers on KDKA. Hopefully if enough people do it, people will pay attention.

Later,
JM

[Lindsey]

32. I have no choice because my landlord decides what we get

which is actually very nice since she doesn't charge me. I live in an apt. connected to a house and it's all bills paid including whatever cable she decides to get. She's politically completely asleep (she used to work for a defense contracting company so she's a little right of center but she's a lesbian so she's confused). My question is this: Will we be getting Comedy Central back????

[mouse7]

30. You could read a book.

If not, get Dish Network. Dish Network has Free Speech TV.

[Hammie]

34. My solution

$250 for a good antenna, mast, and cable gets you over the air programming with no monthly service charge.

[Beaker]

43. and mostly drek for content.

how does that antennae dealie get hbo?

[pstokely]

45. remember when Time Warner bought CNN

and had to had a competing news channel to their cable systems, they chose MSGOP over Faux, then Murdock tried to yank local Fox stations off TW cable systems

Disney yanked ABC off the cable system in Manhattan for a few days in 2000