NHL: Steve Moore with a broken neck (The Todd Bertuzzi incident)

[Cush]

Wonder how long Bertuzzi will be suspended.

[southerngirlwriter]

1. Why isn't he in jail?

nt

[Renew Deal]

13. Here is the video

It's on the bottom right

http://sports.espn.go.com/nhl/news/story?id=1754963#

[henslee]

16. Oh, he will be brought up on charges... bigtime.

[furrylitldevil]

2. Do you have a source on that?

I'm looking on NHL.com and it's not saying anything about Moore's condition, and the avalanche main page is having problems.

[Cush]

3. Fan 590 (Toronto Station

[LisaM]

4. I was just looking at the Vancouver and Denver papers (online)

didn't say anything about a broken neck.

That was one dirty hit, the worst I've seen since Pepe tried to take out Kris Draper and almost killed him. It's not surprising to me that both hits happened on Marc Crawford's watch.

I hope Moore is okay.

[SoCalDem]

5. We watched the game where Daryl Stingley was paralyzed

:(..

There is NO reason for football players to maim each other.. In the end, it's a GAME.. :(:(

[LisaM]

7. Yeah, I saw the game where Mike Utley was paralyzed

(not live, on TV.) It was pretty horrible.

Ironically, wasn't Vancouver the team that tried to sue McSorley for intent to harm Brasheur? I think that's right.

In my opinion, Crawford should be suspended, too. He showed a complete lack of remorse when Draper was hurt, and according to the article I read in the Rocky Mountain News, he was smirking after the Bertuzzi hit. Bertuzzi actually SAT on Chris Chelios a couple of weeks ago and forced him out of the game. I had a friend who was there and she said it was brutal.

[hippiechick]

6. he's out indefinitely without pay

... his 'future' will be decided by the NHL tomorrow (Weds) morning.

"VANCOUVER (CP) - Derek Morris didn't mince words Monday night.

The Colorado defenceman called Todd Bertuzzi's vicious hit from behind on Avalanche rookie Steve Moore a disgusting, pre-meditated act. "It was disgusting," an angry Morris said. "There's not other word for that. "I've never seen anything like that in my seven years of playing hockey (in the NHL)." Late in the third period of Colorado's convincing 9-2 win, Bertuzzi came up behind Moore, grabbed the back of Avalanche player's sweater and delivered a round-house swing with his gloved right hand that struck Moore's head. Moore fell head first to the ice under the weight of Bertuzzi, who came down on top of him at the 8:41 mark. "

http://www.canada.com/national/nationalpost/news/story.html?id=9abea2d1-365f-47d8-b4f8-d57dac4af395


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updated for link, article

[Adams Wulff]

8. Confirmation from the Canadian Press via the Ottawa Citizen...

http://www.canada.com/ottawa/ottawacitizen/news/sports/story.html?id=e053b63d-a56e-4cda-80ef-c487bf0b1112

Bertuzzi's done.
Can't see him coming back from this. Unless the NHL pulls a gutless wonder move they are so famous for.

*on edit*: Spelling

[youngred]

9. W-O-W

I haven't seen this hit, but I wouldn't be surprised if Bertuzzi never comes back from that.

Must see if I can find it

[Adams Wulff]

10. Good Luck

I've been looking all morning, and can't find a thing.
If you find it, could you post the link, please?
I think since the NHL owns the footage, they aren't giving permission to rebroadcast it, because it's bad for the game.

They got that right.
Thanks in advance!

[youngred]

15. I've been searching but haven't found a thing yet

and have been hoping to see it on ESPN, but like you said good luck.

If I come across it I will post it.

[hippiechick]

18. SEE POST 13

.....

:hippie:

[youngred]

19. yeah I see it

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/espnews/index#

thanks. a fairly nasty hit

[Kamika]

11. is he paralyzed???

God.. I don't think I could live with myself if I deliberatly paralyzed another human being

[Renew Deal]

12. I saw the hit this morning

It was a crime.

[hippiechick]

14. UPDATE ...

http://www.canada.com/national/nationalpost/news/story.html?id=f1e13fd2-77bd-4cb3-b512-38a95cb090af

Tuesday, March 09, 2004

VANCOUVER (CP) - Colorado Avalanche forward Steve Moore will miss the rest of the season with a fractured neck suffered when he crashed face first to the ice following a sucker punch by Canucks star forward Todd Bertuzzi.

Bertuzzi, meanwhile, faces the wrath of the NHL and possibly the police. B.C. Solicitor General Rich Coleman said Vancouver police were investigating Bertuzzi's hit on Moore. It was in Vancouver that Marty McSorley, then with the Boston Bruins, was charged with assault after knocking out then-Canuck Donald Brashear with a stick to the head in February 2000. McSorley, suspended by the NHL for a year, was convicted of assault and given an 18-month conditional discharge.

Moore, who remained in a Vancouver hospital Tuesday, had more immediate worries.

"Exams have revealed that Steve sustained a concussion and a cervical injury (neck fracture) and will be out at least for the remainder of the season," head Colorado trainer Pat Karns said in a statement.

"He also suffered deep facial lacerations and abrasions to the forehead, right cheek and upper lip."

Moore "will remain hospitalized in Vancouver for an indefinite period of time," the statement added.

As soon as his condition allows it, the 25-year-old native of Windsor, Ont., will be transferred to Craig Hospital in Denver, the statement continued. "



Sounds to me like the weight of Tuzzi falling to the ice on top of him did more damage than the actual hit...


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[bratcatinok]

17. I broke my neck too

and it didn't paralyze me. In reading the link provided in one of the posts here it says:

"Reports cited Moore's parents in Thornhill, Ont., said the 25-year-old forward had sustained two fractured vertebra. Vancouver GM Brian Burke, speaking to radio station CKNW on Tuesday morning. said the Canucks had been told the Avs forward had concussion-like symptoms but was going to be OK."

I fractured 3 of my vertebra when I was 16 in a motorcycle wreck. The helmet gave me a karate chopa and is what fractured mine. I was in a neck brace for 9 months and didn't have any problems with it til I hit 41 when I had to have surgery.

I hope he has the same 'luck' as I did.

[THUNDER HANDS]

20. boo hoo

It's hockey. Live with it.

If more players took cheap shots and played rougher or with a modicum of passion than hockey wouldn't be such a forgotten-about sport.

Guys like Todd Bertuzzi are my types of hockey players.

[Adams Wulff]

21. You mean criminals?

Please.
Breaking people's necks is not part of hockey.
Or any other sport, for that matter.
Anyone who thinks so is just an idiot, or from New Jersey.
Or in your case, maybe both.

[Kamika]

22. eh?

You're saying peopel should paralyze their opponents?

I know I wouldn't want to watch a sport like that

[bubblesby2002]

23. I agree with you and if you read ESPN's Clement

he blames it all on the instigator rule. Me too - stupidest rule ever.

[Adams Wulff]

27. That was the NHL's noble attempt to eradicate the fighting from hockey

...a few years ago.
Ummm... didn't work.
This year the league is proposing a bunch of other stupid rule changes as well, and ignoring the changes that need to be made to open up the game more.

The red line is not our friend.

Bertuzzi needs to be made an example of, as an all star, and high profile player, to come down on him hard would show that heavy suspensions and fines aren't just for the marginal goons in the league.

He cost this kid his career, fer cryin out loud!

Bertuzzi should pay with his.

[Donkeyboy75]

28. Seriously?

Hockey is about men standing 6'3", weighing 245 sneaking up on somebody smaller than them and driving their face into the ground?
:wtf:
Yeah, great sport.

Instigator rule or not, that's not a sport for men, but a sport for cowards. Passion does not equal violence. Yeah, fights happen. But this was assault, brother.

[Forkboy]

34. I'm not suprised

[ZenLefty]

35. Yeah. That's what hockey is all about.

For cowards, maybe.

[HEyHEY]

43. No Passion? Forgotten about?

You obviously don't watch the game, there is no other sport played with more passion. What? are you trying to say baseball, football or basketball has more? BULLSHIT. THere's a reason the Stanley cup is the most sought after sports trophy.

[MinnFats]

56. maybe we should go straight to gladiators killing each other...

...in sports stadiums around the country.
....I'm sure the pay-per-view audience would be huge.
....you could use death=row inmates for gladiators. The winner gets life in prison at a fairly clean, safe prison. The loser gets gutted in front of millions...

[adriennel]

24. the avalanche are mean!

I seem to remember a certain Avalanche player breaking Draper's face in the 1990s with few repurcussions....bastards! and not just cuz I'm a Red Wings fan...they're just mean!

[Donkeyboy75]

25. Claude Lemieux, right?

[adriennel]

29. yup!

I can never keep my Lemieuxs straight, but I think that was the one!

[youngred]

32. Yes Claude

there is a huge diff between the Lemieux's

Mario- great skill player who could have rivaled Gretzky were it not for Lymphoma (sp) and back injuries

Claude- ugly goon thug asshole of the first degree

[hippiechick]

26. I'll agree with ya there ....

I've noticed the Avs are alot more menacing than a good bunch of the other teams in the league.

And I agree with MagicRat TO A CERTAIN EXTENT that hockey is a rough sport and that teams need 'enforcers'.

However, I think 'Tuzzi is a tad more of a sociopath on skates than he is an enforcer, and his career should be finished. Regardless of whether it was intentional payback for Naslund's concussion, or unintentional outcome of a cheap shot, or whatever - you're messing with people's lives.

It's hockey, not roller derby, not "Beyond Thunderdome".


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[Adams Wulff]

30. Interesting footnote to your post...

That was Claude Lemieux, as the poster below correctly pointed out.
As matter of public disclosure, I am a big Av's fan.
As far as I am concerned, Red Wing fans shouldn't be allowed to call anyone else "mean", as long as Darren McCarty is still on the roster. He's just a Bertuzzi waiting to happen.

But the most interesting point I will make right now, is look at who the coach of the Avalanche was during the most heated part of the Av's/Wings rivalry was, and look who is behind the bench for the canucks last night.

Marc Crawford.

Smirk Jr.

Coincidence?
I don't think so.

It didn't hit me until Hedberg came out of the crease to challenge Aebeshier, and Abby just stood at his net, and pointed to the scoreboard. It reminded me of Roy and Osgood, and Joseph going at it.

[LisaM]

36. Are you flipping NUTS? McCarty meaner than Lemieux?

Lemieux (and Crawford) perpetrated that whole deal. Kris Draper almost got killed when Lemieux cheap-shotted him into the boards and Don Cherry for a few years (though now it's been replaced by this hit) called it the biggest cheap shot of all time. Derrin McCarty came back the next March and stuck up for his fellow grind-liner, but it was a fair fight (or would have been if Lemieux hadn't turtled up.) The Avalanche and Crawford NEVER apologized for what happened to Draper. McCarty sticks up for his team, but he is not a dirty player, despite what your biased papers and radio station might say!

[Adams Wulff]

38. Never said he was meaner...

Just that he doesn't have a whole lot of room to talk...

[noonwitch]

31. Yeah, but the payback a year later was awesome to behold

McCarty's beating, followed by the push into the glass was classic.

[ZenLefty]

37. That was a different Avalanche club.

Claude Lemieux was a piece of crap, and we're glad he's gone.

By the way, who was the coach of the Avs when that happened? Hmmm. My goodness! It was none other than Marc Crawford, the same guy who coaches the vancouver canucks right now. O, what a surprise. Well, we're glad he's gone, too.

I think this is a time to put team partisanship aside and posit the question: is this kind of hit what hockey is all about? From behind, forceful enough to cause serious injury, grevious enough to warrant a police investigation, and quite possibly pre-meditated. I don't call that hockey; I call it cowardice.

I don't care what team this happened to. I was disgusted by McSorley, I was disgusted by Domi, and I'm disgusted by this too. And I love the fighting, I love the hits, that's all part of hockey. But this goes way beyond any of that.

[youngred]

39. Absolutely not

You know I'm no avs fan by any means, but that hit is far far far beyond the pale of ok.

[Zomby Woof]

42. I fully agree

There is no joy or excuses from this Canucks fan, and I am not married to any sports team, so I have no problem condemning excrecable behavior where it's due. It is due, in spades.

Hell, might as well follow my new 'home' team, the Coyotes. I don't think they have anyone of that low caliber in sportsmanship, and it matters not a whit they have few prospects for the postseason.

[SmileyBoy]

33. Here's the video link, folks!!!

I apologize for the classless caption at the beginning. This wasn't ripped by me.

http://www3.telus.net/thecampbells/BertvsMoore.wmv

[Kat45]

40. They just showed the hit on our local sportscast

Whoa! That was brutal! And the sportscaster's comments on it cut Bertuzzi no slack.

[MAlibdem]

41. it didn't look that bad to me

slow moving punch, but i guess he hit is just right

[HEyHEY]

44. What Bertuzzi did

He wasn't trying to hurt Moore. He was only trying to goad him into a fight. You can tell by the way Todd left his glove on. Had he wanted to hurt himi he would have dropped it. Bertuzzi just hit him in the button. I'm not defending his actions...I actually think Moore's elbow to the FACE of Naslund was much more filthy. However, had Moore not dropped, Bertuzzi would have had no more than a match penalty.

That being said, I think Todd will be lucky to not get charged.

[Renew Deal]

46. Are you kidding.

He intentionally drove his face into the ice after hitting him from behind. That was a crime, forget about a penalty.

[HEyHEY]

47. He fell on him, watch the tape again

he also had no idea he was hurt that badly when he did so.

[MinnFats]

57. no, he didn't. He was deliberately trying to hurt, maim.

watch it carefully, perhaps in slow mo.
he takes Moore down, intentionally bringing his own weight up on Moore's body and very deliberately drives him into the ice.
any other interpretation is a fantasy.

[HEyHEY]

58. He fell and after falling he may have pushed his head down

He wasn't trying to maim him. Shit like that happens every day in the NHL. This time the right pressure points were pressed, that's all.

[ZenLefty]

59. You truly believe that?

I actually think Moore's elbow to the FACE of Naslund was much more filthy.

You seriously believe that? Dude, that's outrageous. But tell yourself whatever you need to tell yourself to make Moore out to be the bad guy. Yeah, this was all his fault, and bertuzzi (the low life cowardly shit that he is) didn't mean to hurt him. Whatever.

[MrSlayer]

45. Gutless move by Bertuzzi.

Those were the actions of a punk and a coward. He should be suspended for the rest of the year and the playoffs. Why didn't he just challenge him to a head up fight like a civilized person? Just a gutless move from a player whom I thought had more class.

[HEyHEY]

48. You thought Bert had class?

Seriously? I'm a die-hard Canuck fan....and I'd have to say he is the most ill mannered brat ever to wear a canucks uniform.

[MrSlayer]

50. Well I thought he had more class than that.

I never considered him classy the way Gretzky and Francis are but I never thought he was an outright punk either. This is one time I'm not sad to see him out of the Isles uniform.

[hippiechick]

49. Rest of the year ? He's out INDEFINITELY.

Solicitor General of BC is looking at the incident.

My guess is that Tuzzi'll never play in the NHL again.

The hit from behind, unprovoked was typical Bertuzzi and yea, it
was gutless. Regardless of whether the broken vertebrae happened from the hit (which I doubt) or the impact of Moore hitting the ice with Bertuzzi's 245 lbs on top of him, it was still a stupid ass, dirty thing to do.



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[HEyHEY]

51. He may be out for good...look at McSorely/Brashear

All that happend was Brashear was knocked out. And Marty was booted for all time. Broken neck, busted jaw? Bye Bye Todd.

[MrSlayer]

52. Well, McSorley was suspended for a year but no one would pick him up.

His career was pretty much shot anyway. Bertuzzi will play again.

[hippiechick]

53. If not in the NHL .... the Indy Ice can use him in the CHL ...

... another thread from earlier today that we signed Tonya Harding as our new 'enforcer' ... no crap, the one enforcer we have loses every tussle he's in and usually gets tossed from the game before the first period is over.

Toooooooooozzzzziiieeeeee ... come to Innnnnnnndyyyyyyyyyyy......


:hippie:


edit: yes I know signing Harding is a PR stunt to draw a crowd for the last home stand of the season, but what does it say to the rest of the league when we sign a CHICK as our MUSCLE ??

[gmoney]

54. I was hoping it was the Club for Growth asshat...

another Steve (Stephen) Moore... a broken neck might shut him up for a while.

[Bombero1956]

55. as for McSorley

He coaches the Springfield Falcons in the AHL currently and luckily none of his players have learned his style of hockey. Bertuzzi should be banned for life.