Who would you induct into the Rock and Roll HOF?

[OmahaBlueDog]

We've all (I trust) seen Midnight Amadillo's "Most Overrated Band Thread" (MA seems to lean toward "The Who")

First, I'm not posting a poll (odd of me, I know)


Second, here is the alphabetical list of R&RHOF Inductees:
http://www.rockhall.com/inductees/alphabetical-list/


Third, this RIAA all time sales list might be a useful reference:
http://www.riaa.com/goldandplatinumdata.php?resultpage=1&table=tblTopArt&action=


Off the top of my head, I can think of three inductees I'd look for"

Andre Romelle Young a.k.a Dr Dre.: Yes, he's been sued by a "who's who" of hollywood, and yes, he's associated with some of the most controversial aspects of Gangsta Rap as a member of NWA, but Dre has produced the biggest hits for Eminem and 50Cent. At the end of the day, Rock N Roll has always been about pushing the envelope and pissing off parents. He has continued this grand tradition.

Steve Winwood has appeared in the Spencer Davis Group, Traffic, and Blind Faith in addition to a solo career that produced such hits as "Back in the High Life". "Valerie", "When You See a Chance" and "Arc of a Diver".

Peter Gabriel has had an amazing career, both as a solo artist, and as a member of Genesis. "In Your Eyes", "Shock the Monkey", and "Sledgehammer" are a few of the many incredible songs he's done.

Have at it, and when you flame (especially if you have been drinking), flame responsibly.

edited for an idiotic mistake

[charlie and algernon]

1. Rush

without question, immediately

[TZ]

22. +44-6

Knew there was a reason I liked you ...:)

[Dr. Strange]

64. The RRHoF is beset by dumbassedry.

The curators will surely have their own level of hell.

[Coventina]

2. The Go-Go's n/t

[Tikki]

31. Why not...if Pat Benatar is eligible..

the Go Go's body of work was much grander..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=97QZCapf6kY
"Can't Stop The World"...The Go Gos..written by bass player Kathy Valentine

Tikki

[Jetboy]

3. I would induct:

1. New York Dolls
2. Stooges
3. Shangri Las
4. Motorhead
5. Faces
6. Kiss
7. Ted Nugent


Coming soon: Guns n roses, Hanoi Rocks, Motley Crue

[OmahaBlueDog]

4. Ted deserves to get in on his musical merits...

...but he's pissed so many people off over his politics, I'm not sure I see it happening.


Kiss will eventually make it; so will G & R and Motley Crue.

[Jetboy]

6. Yes, I like Ted's music just as much as I hate his politics.

He is a great player and an incredible showman.

Two more that deserve to be inducted IMO: Judas Priest and Iron Maiden. Metal is under-represented IMO.

[Jetboy]

36. I would also add Sonny Boy Williamson (II) and Joan Jett and

Wolfman Jack and T-Rex.

The first person I would kick out is Madonna because her music isn't even in the neighborhood of rock-n-roll.

[flvegan]

5. Beastie Boys, The Smiths, GnR, Faith No More, Motley Crue, Metallica

And I'd induct them all the same year, because the chaos would be most epic.

[OmahaBlueDog]

7. Bring ear protection, that's all I have to say

It would be loud

[Robeson]

8. Until Jethro Tull is in the "HOF", I'll continue to boycott it.

[OmahaBlueDog]

12. To give you an idea, their sales are comparable to groups like Steely Dan

Jennifer Lopez, The Spice Girls, Coldplay, Grand Funk Railroad, and Loverboy.

I don't see Tull getting in before Kiss, Green Day, or Rush, altough I enjoy their fusion of Rock and Classical.

[Robeson]

13. Tull will always have a hard time getting in, because they have pissed off...

...too many music "critics" in the past. But that's O.K. It's a badge of honor for Tull and their fans.

[RagAss]

9. Johnny Rivers

[donheld]

10. Neil Diamond

[Jetboy]

11. The HOF should be chock full of riff raff that nobody else'll have.

Peter Gabriel isn't really rock-n-roll to me. People like Lemmy and dead people and junkies and criminals should be in there. That's rock-n-roll to me.

[OmahaBlueDog]

14. There is a big debate over what is Rock

What you bring up is an argument as old as rock music. The mods vs. the rockers; Buddy Holly vs. Elvis; the Beatles or the Stones; Prog rock? Punk? Glam Rock? Art Rock? NY vs. LA; Britain vs. America. A lot of people don't like Rap being included, but I'd assert that Rock has it's roots in Black music, and that it's still a part of the equation.

[Jetboy]

16. NWA is more rock-n-roll to me than Peter Gabriel.

Rock-n-roll has that 'I know it when I hear it' quality for me. If you have a band of leather jacketed thugs playing an Eddie Cochran tune hard/loud/fast then you have rock-n-roll and it get's more diluted from there. I like the theoretical 100% pure stuff the best.

[Lyric]

15. Creed, of course.

And Nickelback. Flvegan would be heartbroken without those two.

[Jetboy]

17. I noticed that Rod Stewart is in but the Faces are not.

There is no way to justify that since everybody knows that Disco Rod sucked and he hasn't been a rock-n-roller since the Faces broke up.

[MrSlayer]

18. The RnRHoF has no credibility with me.

Since so many inductees aren't even rock acts. The whole thing is a joke.

[OmahaBlueDog]

19. I keep reminding myself it's a tourist attraction. Some non rock acts make sense as inductees

Ahmet and Neshui Ertegun, for example. The Erteguns recorded Led Zeppelin, Ray Charles, Roberta Flack, Aretha Franklin, and many others. They are not performers, but they are a huge part of Rock music. Bill Graham, Herb Alpert, and Jerry Moss would also fall into this group.

I think the R& RHOF has chosen to take the broadest possible perspective on what is rock music versus what should be excluded. Thus, Motown, Rap, Beach Music, and certain country and jazz artists have wound up included.

[Tabasco_Dave]

20. Iggy and The Stooges

They invented punk.

[taterguy]

21. Why isn't Bobby Keys in as a side-man?

Pick a good sax riff from the 70s.

Odds are Bobby Keys is the one playing it

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f_9sbYOvn-o

[cherish44]

23. The HoF needs a little girl power

I'm going with Heart, Tina Turner, Joan Jett, Mary Wells, any of the cool 60s girl groups who aren't in yet...

Also I want Ringo to get in DAMMIT! He's always been a second class Beatle. I frickin love the song "It Don't Come Easy"

[OmahaBlueDog]

24. Tina is actually in, but she's paired with Ike, which is just wrong

If you go to the "Most Overrated Band" thread, several of us engage in a Kiss-or-Heart to the HOF debate. The sales numbers and numbers of hits clearly support Heart.

My advice to Ringo is knock out a wildly popular late-in-career CD, like it appears Dylan has just done. That would solidify his legend status as a solo artist.

[cherish44]

26. Yeah Tina needs to get in as a solo artist

She's arguably the Queen of rock n roll. Heart rocked it, Ann Wilson has one of the greatest rock voices ever. Kiss should get in too, I'm surprised they're not already. Another female artist I forgot to mention was Donna Summer, I know disco is a much maligned music genre but it certainly gave us some memorable tunes (both good and bad).

[Condem]

25. Genesis.

Progressive Rock is non-existant in the HOF. These guys have a great body of work even after Gabriel left. I'd boot Blondie in a heartbeat, but that's probably another thread, yes?

[OmahaBlueDog]

27. Part of the problem with inducting Genesis is what do you do with Peter Gabriel

All the big hits were in the Phil Collins era.

That said, Genesis deserves to be in; so does Phil Collins solo; So does Peter Gabriel solo

[Condem]

32. Progressive Rock got a bum rap, Omaha

Yes, Emerson, Lake & Palmer, King Crimson Rush,just to name a few. The critics hated it but a lot of us grew up to it. Still listen to it, today. Hell, at the very least, we can thank it for Punk Rock, LOL!

[Beaverhausen]

43. I agree- for YES, Rush and ELP to not be in the HOF is ridiculous

[Amerigo Vespucci]

50. According to James Hetfield of Metallica...

...who was asked "What are you going to do with Dave Mustaine," his reply was that induction is based on the recording members of the band, and since Mustaine never recorded with Metallica, he wasn't eligible.

So it all depends on how well the band is getting along. My understanding regarding the fact that the last reunion didn't include Gabriel or Hackett was that their schedules had more to do with it than their desire to participate.

That means all of the band members below are eligible for induction:

From Genesis to Revelation (March 1969): Peter Gabriel (vocals), Anthony Phillips (guitar), Tony Banks (keyboards), Mike Rutherford (bass & guitar) and John Silver (drums).

Trespass: John Mayhew replaces John Silver (drums).

Nursery Cryme, Foxtrot, Genesis Live, Selling England By The Pound, The Lamb Lies Down On Broadway: Phil Collins replaces Mayhew, Steve Hackett replaces Phillips

Post-Hackett & Gabriel: Daryl Stuermer (who replaced Hackett onstage, but not on the studio albums, which were played by Rutherford) is eligible because he's appeared on live albums. The same for Chester Thompson (drums).

:toast:

ON EDIT:

Forgot Ray Major, from the regrettable "Calling All Stations"...

...also on that album, the drum chair was filled by Nir Zidkyahu and Nick D'Virgilio (Spock's Beard).

[OmahaBlueDog]

51. Thanks for that

Very informative

[Condem]

52. Thanks for the info, Amerigo

Just a ton of good stuff. Too numerous to mention. I love Trick of the Tail. ...And Then There Were Three Up to Duke. Then, too much Phil.

[Upton]

28. Quicksilver Messenger Service and Ten Years After

Alvin Lee just for his performance at Woodstock should be enough.

[SoxFan]

29. I'll play

Elvis Presley
Chuck Berry
Buddy Holly
Bill Haley & the Comets
Bo Diddley
Platters
Drifters
Sam Cooke
Beatles
Rolling Stones
Animals
Kinks
The Who
Bob Dylan
Led Zeppelin
Jimi Hendrix
Eric Clapton
Beach Boys
Byrds
David Bowie
Crosby, Stills, & Nash
Neil Young
Santana
Velvet Underground
Stevie Wonder
Tina Turner
Van Morrison
Pink Floyd
Lynyrd Skynyrd
Paul Simon
Talking Heads
Ramones
Sex Pistols
The Clash
Television
Buzzcocks
X
The Cure
Siouxie & the Banshees
Bruce Springsteen
George Clinton/P-Funk
Michael Jackson
Prince
U2
REM
Elvis Costello
The Pogues
The Police
Social Distortion
Black Flag
Husker Du
Pixies
Metallica
Black Sabbath
Rush
Peter Gabriel
Moody Blues
Public Enemy
Grandmaster Flash

Phil Spector
Steve Lillywhite
Todd Rundgren
Sam Phillips
Mitch Easter
Butch Vig
Daniel Lanois
George Martin

[flying rabbit]

59. Edit. Dumb ass question.

[Tikki]

30. X and Los Lobos....

both are way overdue.


Tikki

[mitchum]

33. THE STOOGES...I can't believe that the Ramones, Pistols, and the Clash...

are in, but the Stooges aren't. Incredible. And just whose songs do you think those bands were jamming on in the early days when they were learning to play? They weren't playing "Stardust" and "Cherokee"

[no name no slogan]

35. I think the Stooges are up for induction this year

Too bad Ron passed away earlier this year though. :(

[underpants]

34. Bobby Brown

just make sure there is an open bar and sit back and enjoy the show

[OmahaBlueDog]

37. I could see Boys to Men, but Bobby? Hmmmmmm

It's be great theater


Whitney Houston, however, should warrant consideration.

[bbernardini]

38. Todd Rundgren and Utopia (as separate acts)

The Tubes, as well. And all the progressive bands.

[OmahaBlueDog]

39. Nick Lowe?

[Tikki]

45. With or without The Rockpile.....I agree..

He wrote and produced so many greats...

Tikki

[SoxFan]

60. Rundgren as a producer, at least

[Deja Q]

40. Britney Spears, Hillary Duff, Jessica Simpson, Madonna...

Since rock and roll artists are now paving way for pop pablum or other non-R&R genres, what the hell.

[OmahaBlueDog]

41. Umm..Madonna is already an inductee

I just thought you'd like to know

[Deja Q]

44. I already do know that.

:evilgrin:

I was griping about it at the time...

Why isn't there a "Pop & Bubblegum Hall of Fame"?

[OmahaBlueDog]

48. I guess I favor the more inclusive outlook

Why are pop acts any more or less deserving than punk, progressive, glam rock, metal, grunge, rap, or beach/drag racing acts? We all have a lot of fun saying, "because my music is great and your/their music sucks"; I view the genre like a tree -- a lot of different roots and a lot of different branches.

[Jetboy]

54. I think a line needs to be drawn somewhere so that people

like Madonna don't get in. Now the Beach Boys and Beatles did a lot of pop music too, but 'I Get Around' and many others are indeed rnr songs. Beatles started out wearing leather jax and doing Gene Vincent songs and wandered back into rnr many times throughout their career. But I don't recall a single Madonna song that could reasonably be called rock-n-roll music.

[OmahaBlueDog]

58. Critics make the same complaints about Rap and Motown

Is "Today's Country" country or pop?

If Lynyrd Skynyrd or the Marshall Tucker Band appeared on the scene in 2009, would they be considered a rock act or a country act?

Eminem claims he's basically doing Elvis' act <<Though I'm not the first king of controversy, I am the worst thing since Elvis Presley, To do Black Music so selfishly,And use it to get myself wealthy, Hey! there's a concept that works,20 million other white rappers emerge, But no matter how many fish in the sea, It will be so empty without me..>>. Problem: his music sounds nothing like what most of us think of as R & R.

Jazz has wrestled with this for years: what does Kenny G have to do with Jellyroll Morton or Duke Ellington?

As I said upthread, I tend to err in favor of inclusion

[Jetboy]

61. A line has to be drawn somewhere or it should just be the

music hall of fame, complete with Beethoven next to the Chuck Berry exhibit. Since a line must be drawn, I say Madonna is on the other side of that line or we will indeed see Britney and the American Idols one day.

Lynyrd Skynyrd is very close to pure rock-n-roll IMO. They take all of the good stuff from the dawn of the genre except for Doo-wop. You can hear Chuck Berry riffs and rockabilly and girl-group harmonies and the blues etc. There should be no question that LS is rock-n-roll.

[Ikonoklast]

42. Pete Rose.

Let the past go, people. He's waaaaay overdue. I mean, just look at his stats!







Wait, what?
:P

[OmahaBlueDog]

46. If he'd only sing

..or play guitar

[Ikonoklast]

47. I wouldn't bet on that happening any time soon.

But Pete might...

[Rabrrrrrr]

49. I wouldn't recommend anyone I respected into that ridiculous shithole

[hellbound-liberal]

53. Why hasn't Pat Benatar been inducted yet?

She has had two RIAA-certified Multi-Platinum albums, five RIAA-certified Platinum albums, three RIAA-certified Gold albums, and 19 Top 40 singles. She and Heart ought to go in on the next ballot!

[Forkboy]

55. The fact that a sales chart might be used to judge whether a band is worthy or not says it all to me

Back to my Deathspell Omega CDs. :)

[OmahaBlueDog]

56. Why is popularity a bad thing?

Isn't the object to entertain?

[Forkboy]

57. It's not a bad thing, but popularity doesn't equate to quality either.

:shrug:

[Jetboy]

62. I think that if popularity is the main criteria, then Little Richard

would be looking in and Pat Boone looking out. I don't get how they make such a good call like PB out and LR in, and then turn around and (apparently) say Rod Stewart's solo adventures in disco are HOF worthy but his actual rock-n-roll band, the Faces, aren't.

I really think that they take a room full of monkeys and throw darts to decide who gets in. There is no uniform criteria.

[lifesbeautifulmagic]

63. The Runaways, and Joan Jett. Every time i see a list of who is in

I am amazed they aren't on it, maybe they didn't sell well, but the influence can't be measured.