Winblows Vista is a steaming crap-pile of shit

[Pierre.Suave]

So far, it has been working on installing the IE8 update for 30 minutes...

Seriously now, how long does it take to install a freakin browser...

[madinmaryland]

1. Yeah. I'm still running MSDOS 3.1

Heh!

[Pierre.Suave]

2. Pfffttt

I am running OSX 10.5 Leopard here, but this is absolutely the LAST time I offer to help a friend with their winblows problems... From this point forward, my only help will be to suggest buying a Mac.

:mad:

[madinmaryland]

5. We're running Vista at home and have no problems with it.

Of course we do nothing more than email and a few simple games. I runs CAD pretty well.

:shrug:

[sellitman]

18. My last 3 computer buys...Mac, Mac & a Netbook with Linpus.

My son's "Gaming PC" with Vista has problems connecting to the Internet every time out.

"I told him so"

[KamaAina]

3. I upgraded to MSDOS 44.6 last year

:P

[HopeHoops]

6. Okay, you have me beat by a bit.

My oldest functional DOS box is 3.3

I've got several on 98 SE and one 95 that still works. The odd-ball is the 2000 Pro server. All of the laptops are Vista except for the two old Think Pads that are on 3.11 and my youngest has a netbook on XP.

That's just the Micro$oft shit.

[CreekDog]

8. and rooting for the team of the 70's

it all fits!

:rofl:

[madinmaryland]

9. Dude! I spent many a hours programming punch cards to run programs

on a DEC PDP 11/70. Talk about a waste of paper!!

[pokerfan]

26. punch cards? we used to dream of punch cards!

[DarkTirade]

22. Loser.

5.1 was SO much better. :P

Actually I think I still have the disks somewhere...

[madinmaryland]

27. Disks??

:wtf:

3.1 came on one 5.25 disk!

[DarkTirade]

38. 5.1 came on a couple 3.5 inch disks.

And I had an upgrade disk to upgrade it to 6.something but I seem to have misplaced it.

[trof]

4. It's stanky?

;-)

[SKKY]

7. And I'm sorry to report that, at least from my early impressions...

...Windows 7 doesn't appear to be any better.

[DS1]

16. I'm liking it

About to run XP in a VM, as soon as the iso is downloaded.

[pokerfan]

10. Most PC machines come preinstalled with a virus

called Windows.

http://www.whylinuxisbetter.net

[Pierre.Suave]

14. I am e-mailing her that link

[pokerfan]

23. I installed Ubuntu last month

and am completely sold.

[HopeHoops]

20. WINDOWS is NOT a VIRUS!

A "virus" generally DOES SOMETHING!

[Blue_Tires]

29. thanks for that...

[bluedigger]

11. Guess I just have low expectations

and no problems.

[BeachBaby]

12. Nice post, Steve Jobs.

:P

I have Vista. No problems whatsoever.

[Pierre.Suave]

15. GET A MAC!

:P

[BeachBaby]

19. Now you sound like my boyfriend, although he says he's buying me one.

:7

[Pierre.Suave]

24. dont tell him I said so, but...

he is actually a smart guy...

:P

[Deja Q]

45. I had Vista. Slower than a valium snorting tortoise wanking in a freezer during February

[cherish44]

13. Vista sucks? The hell you say! hehe

Honestly I remember hearing bitching about Vista within 10 minutes of its release

[HopeHoops]

21. It took that long?

:shrug:

[Pacifist Patriot]

17. You're figuring this out now?

I've been wrestling with this steaming heap of poo for awhile now.

[Pierre.Suave]

25. yes

I am a Mac person who said yes when asked to help with a friends vista machine...

[NJmaverick]

28. VIista can run OK, but you need a powerful configuration

max out the ram at 4 gigs (That is the max for 32 bit processors) and make sure you have a seperate video memory. If you have that, Vista will run as well as XP.

[Deja Q]

40. For Vista, don't bother with 32-bit at all. Here's why:

Microsoft never enabled PAE (Physical Axddress Extension). This means, on a 4GB system, almost 25% of it (800MB) is reserved and mapped for peripheral hardware (video, sound, et al) -- net 32-bit Vista quantity is 3.2GB.

Net total = 3.2GB, 1.8GB is used by the OS, so 1.4GB remains for apps. You can do a few things, but it gets eaten up quickly. Running one virtual machine would be an interesting endeavor as well.

File transfers (for large files) are slower under Vista than XP.

Many performance benchmarks show Vista, on average, to be a bit slower.

The user interface definitely is slower - even on high end video cards, such as a nvidia GTX280 (or a GTX260 overclocked to 280 specs).

64-bit Vista is exponentially more stable than 64-bit XP (and the former has multimedia niceties the latter lacks)...

If I were to recommend Vista, just move to 64-bit and be done. 32-bit, with Microsoft Pigsty technologies, can't cut it anymore due to how sloppy they've become.

[NJmaverick]

42. I wouldn't argue with anyone that wanted to go to the 64 bit system

for the reasons you list.

[CatholicEdHead]

43. Well, I am running Vista Ultimate 32bit and Server 2003 in VPC 2007

and while slower, it works with 2GB of RAM.

[Deja Q]

46. It works, but as you said, it's slower. Unacceptably slow.

IMHO.

[meegbear]

30. Sounds like user error

[Pierre.Suave]

33. Seriously now

how much user interaction is needed to press, check for and install updates?

The computer does the rest...

:eyes:

[whistler162]

31. First....remove the cause of the problem....

usually it is between the back of the chair and the start of the keyboard.

After that no problems!

[Pierre.Suave]

32. Maybe in your case

but not mine.

nice try though... :eyes:

[whistler162]

34. No major problems with the Vista machine at home or

those I administer at work!

[undeterred]

35. I do call center support and I hate it.

People just figured out how to do things on XP and now everything is different.

[dysfunctional press]

36. shouldn't this be posted in 'latest breaking news'...?

:sarcasm:

[Deja Q]

37. How much RAM does this machine have? 2GB? You'll need at the very least 4...

[TreasonousBastard]

39. Vista's not the problem-- IE8 is. Nobody needs it, so...

anyone who installs IE8 needs a brain reboot. No one on the planet has anything good to say about IE8, and there's nothing it can do that can't be done better by Opera, Chrome, Safari, or Firefox.

(I have used IE7 exactly twice in the two years I've had this machine, and one of those was Microsoft insisting on it for a security update.)

[Occulus]

41. Windows 7 is on its way, and believe it or not, it's pretty awesome.

I'm running the 7100 build of the Windows 7 beta right now, and I have to say, I'm flabbergasted. It's Vi$ta without the bad stuff. Vi$ta as it should have been and wasn't.

I won't go into a huge, long description of it, but 7 looks to be one of those rare gems Micro$oft puts out every five to seven years. Even as a beta, Win7 is faster, cleaner, better looking, and better behaved than any previous version of Window$. I like it so much, I've abandoned my XP Pro 64-bit install in favor of the Win7 "test".

Here's an example. I'm a gamer. I have several top-shelf PC games (Crysis, Oblivion, Command & Conquer 3, The Last Remnant, and others) that push my system to its absolute max. Both installations of Windows have access to the exact same hardware, as they exist as a dual-boot on the same physical hard disk.

In The Last Remnant, I get perhaps 20-30 frames per second when running in WinXP. The framerate fluctuates wildly depending on what's happening onscreen. There are stutters in the video, sometimes the audio is totally out of sync, there's an extreme loss of frames during battles, etc.

In Window$ 7, however, I get a consistent sixty frames per second or better with the exact same game. I was completely shocked. I get the same sort of performance difference in other games, Crysis in particular.

Now, games generally push the CPU, RAM, and video hardware. If it performs this well under that much stress, well... Window$ 7, FTW.

Micro$oft Window$ Vi$ta sucked, but Window$ 7 is looking like it'll be golden.

[Deja Q]

47. Try iron pyrite instead of gold. Here's why:

"XP is how Windows 2000 should have been". One of many catchphrases I kept hearing as the decades went by, for each new release.

Yet each new version cost more and more and more. Vista started out as $500 for a full license (Ultimate edition, where 'ultimate' suggested a lot of unique goodies - which Microsoft barely delivered on, the $kank$...)

Does Win7 include WinFS and the other pieces Microsoft threw out the door during longhorn/vista development due to development problems? PAE for the 32-bit editions?

Why make a larger-than-usual pile of shit just to "rapidly" follow up with a thinner* one? Deliberate shite marketing just to draw in more people for the next release? Remember, this is is Microsoft: They sold Windows 2000 via making adverts that had Win2k mocking Windows 95 openly. (non-monopolies pulling these stunts would have had their doors shuttered.)

Sorry, but this fool isn't buying Microsoft's shit anymore. Not just because of the OS; the "support" I got with a couple of their apps has been appalling; bugs they said would not be fixed until a new PRODUCT RELEASE (meaning pony up the dough for the upgrade if or when it materializes).


* they probably went back to XP's source code and threw in Aero and DX10 and called it a day...

[Occulus]

49. No to WinFS inclusion.

I Googled a bit, and I'm still lost as to why WinFS would be important to me. Devs, perhaps, but I'm not a software developer. As for PAE in 32-bit versions, the answer seems to be no.

Windows 7 is built on the Vista kernel, not the XP kernel. Oh, and it uses DX11.

Windows 7:Vi$ta = XP:ME.

[jobycom]

44. What's worse is that it might actually install IE8.

I loved IE7, and 6. Prefered them to Firefox. Since I installed 8, I've started using Firefox, and now Opera.

Don't know why, but 8 just irritates me. Too many little tweaks that make things more annoying. Like, they allow you to delete a URL from your drop-down address box, by clicking on an 'x' on the right side. Problem is, the 'x' is right where I usually click to open a link, so instead of opening a link, I wind up deleting it and having to type it back in. Just a ton of those little things that drive me crazy.

[mwooldri]

48. I started an XP re-install last night.

It's still updating as we speak :(

Oh, and Windows Update doesn't give me an opportunity to go to IE 7 from IE 6 - nope, I *have* to go to IE 8. Good job when all the "updates" have installed I will be installing Firefox.

But yep even Windows XP blows compared to Ubuntu. When Ubuntu upgraded last month to 9.something, the computer booted faster. I reinstalled Windows XP and on first boot it booted just as fast, but Windows *needs* anti-virus, firewall, anti-spam. Installed it and the machine got slower instantly.

Mark.