Most overrated METAL band of all time?

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Poll question: Most overrated METAL band of all time?

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[LeftyMom]

1. I sense epic potential.

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[Initech]

2. Got to be Metallica.

Dont get me wrong I like some of their stuff but it's been nearly 10 years and I'm still pissed off at what they did to Napster and the RIAA. STILL. :mad:

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3. Death Magnetic rocked tho, eh? Completely uncommerical imho.

[Initech]

6. True it did, completely surprised me.

After the shitstorm that surrounded St. Anger I thought they were finished for good, but they pulled out a 9th inning victory with Death Magnetic, which is definitely a step in the right direction from where they were headed.

[Common Sense Party]

9. Did Metallica do anything after "And Justice For All"?

I thought they broke up...


(Or I stopped listening to them)

[gbate]

54. I kind of like Metallica.

Master of Puppets is one of the greatest metal albums evah.

[Amerigo Vespucci]

4. If you're gonna have Sabbath AND "Ozzy After Sabbath"...

...you've got to have "Sabbath After Ozzy" too, because other than approximately one album's worth of classic tracks from ALL of the Dio albums, Tony & crew served up more than a few stinkers.

I would have loved to have witnessed the audience reaction to Ian Gillan performing "Smoke On The Water" during his stint...from what I've read, it was less than enthusiastic.



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[MrSlayer]

5. Iron Maiden.

If only their music was as heavy and evil as their albums covers led us to believe. Eddie is the only reason they are as popular as they are.

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8. Fucking blashpeny of the highest degree.

I pray for your soul, MrSlayer.

Iron Maiden is the gold standard of Metal.

I suggest you give them further listening.

[MrSlayer]

11. I've been a Metalhead since I was a little kid.

I know their work quite well. I like some of it, most of it I can do without. Way too much musical masturbation on their releases and really, Wasted Years? Blatant attempt at sell out. I almost fell asleep during their Brave New World show, boooooring. I'll only go see them if they are doing old school material. Powerslave and before. Powerslave is their best release. Killers is still the best album cover ever. Of the bands listed in this poll, they are certainly the most overrated.

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13. You leave me speechless. However, I will continue to type words in response.

Yes, I too stand in awe of Powerslave. And also in awe of the Piece of Mind album. And Killers. And Number of the Beast.

Dance of Death, and the one before it left me wanting. As did the last album.

But the wealth of great metal - their brand of metal - Aces High, Rhyme of the Ancient Mariner, Where Eagles Dare, The Trooper, and yes, Wasted Years - I mean, fuck. Even Fear of the Dark gives me a boner. And I've been a metal head for years as well.

Maidens brand of metal doesn't often begin with Slayer-type brash, and I LOVE Slayer and traditional thrash metal - but Maiden delivers, if give them a chance. Not that audience enthusiasm is a measure, but they just finished the biggest, most well-attended tour of their career. Check out Flight 666 when it comes to video.

Maiden is like the fine wine of metal, whereas metallica and even slayer are warm, drinkable beer.

Everyone has their own opinion, and I don't mean to argue with yours.

Just dont' see how anyone could slam Maiden as being overrated.

I just hope they hold out until I can get to see them live.

[MrSlayer]

18. They disappointed me greatly.

When I got Killers I expected to hear something that matched the cover and it failed miserably. I already had Motorhead's "Ace of Spades" and Venom's "Welcome to Hell" and I was expecting something that was next level heavy and it wasn't. Maybe it's just that I had already passed them before I heard them but I felt they had falsely advertised their product. And considering all the hype I had heard about them at the time, I've always resented that. It wasn't until 83 that I got what I was looking for with "Kill 'em All" and then when "Show No Mercy" came out I was totally blown away.

I just don't see them as being this great band that everyone makes them out to be. I don't want to sit through several 12 minute songs while Dickinson pantomimes on stage, I'm there to bang my head and rock out. They bore me. That isn't to say that they do not have some great songs, they do. And they have some excellent musicians in the band (not counting that frigging ridiculous poser Janick Gers.) I say they are overrated because to me, they are. They just aren't that heavy and I don't see them the way others do, particularly the younger generation who weren't there in the early days and only know the legend. People have been conditioned to think they are super great. I've always liked Priest more.

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25. ROFL.

"I don't want to sit through several 12 minute songs while Dickinson pantomimes on stage..."

LOL. Bruce does get a bit animated, but how could he not singing something like "Rhyme of the Ancient Mariner?"

I love it and I appreciate it all the more this day and age.

To each his own.

I still say check out "Flight 666" when it comes to video. I've seen a little of it on YouTube and it looks amazing.

Btw, I have nearly as many Priest songs on my computer as Maiden. Love 'em. But I've got to admire Bruce and they boys out there doing it for real whereas Priest these days just go through the motions. Halford just can't hit the notes anymore. Priest has become Spinal Tap. Iron Maiden is still Iron Maiden.

Even with Bruce's sef-indulgence. They still deliver.

[MrSlayer]

28. Let me see if my bootleg has made it to youtube.

I booted Maiden at MSG in 2000. I'll show you what I'm talking about. Hell, maybe I'll send you a copy if you want though I only have it on VHS. One of the most boring concerts in history. And they were only doing "new" material, it wasn't Rhyme and he wasn't merely 'animated' during it. It was smoke and mirrors, props, costume changes and "acting". It was ridiculous. I thought I went to a Metal concert but it turned into a Cher show with music nearly as bad. I like them when they are doing their classic material but the new stuff is terrible. They literally did 6 or 7 straight 8-12 minute droning songs, the crowd was not rocking. They do that every other tour now. If you happen to get a chance to see them, check the setlist before you buy tickets. See the classic set, avoid the album supporting set.

I saw Priest last year and they weren't "going through the motions", they were hitting it hard and had a great setlist spanning their discography. Halford can't go to the very top as well as he did before but of course that is understandable. It's a very challenging singing style and he's 55. It's like Plant trying to spot on Zeppelin songs now, near impossible but Halford gets close. The only person who still climbs the ladder as well as he did 30 years ago is Dio. Spinal Tap? Hardly. No one left the show disappointed. With a bill consisting of Testament, Motorhead, Dio Sabbath and Priest it's tough to be disappointed.

[eyepaddle]

52. I went through an internal struggle over this topic for years Priest v. Maiden

and while I was always a bit more of a Priest fan I was kind of concerned that maybe, just maybe, Maiden were better songwriters.

Then it dawned on me: Every Priest album is different as hell, and Maiden's calling card is there consistency. I think Turbo stemmed from Glenn and KK hanging out with Def Leppard and wanting to get in on some o' that, whereas Maiden stuck with their bit. Lots of trills. Lots and Lots of trills. Every now and then Judas Priest will try something new and it will fall with a clunk, but sometimes it winds up a triumph. I am glad they take chances.

And speaking as a guitar player Glenn Tipton pretty much dominates the universe--there aren't many players who started as Rory Gallagher worshippers who haven't graduated to his level of pure, effortless shred. Having said that, I've always been a bit more of a KK Downing fan--I went through an extreme infatuation with the tremolo bar back in the 80s. And Downing has really upped his game over the years--he has really staked out his groove with sweep picking, it is all over Nostradamus, but it goes all the way back to Locked in on Turbo.

If anybody is interested, here is all of that in a microcosm:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iRF-3yG8D30

[Mythsaje]

30. I actually liked Priest more as well...

But I think Maiden had better lyrics overall. Some damn deep songs. Priest could wail on some rebellious shit, take a jab at authority as well as anyone--and the fantasy imagery of The Sentinel I just fucking love. Musically--Priest could shred. There's something about dueling lead guitars that really does it for me. Gotta say that songs like The Trooper, Die With Your Boots On, and Flight of Icarus had a lot more meaning than just fantasy imagery and rebellion.

[MrSlayer]

33. Yeah, I never said I hated Maiden or that they sucked.

Just that they were overrated. They're all good musicians and they had some great songs on their early releases. More than a handful of classics.

Dickinson's performance on "Die With Your Boots On" is excellent but you have to admit the backing vocals on that track are laughably bad.

[Mythsaje]

34. Okay... You have a point there.

And, yes, perhaps overrated. I was once in a band with a guy who was such a Maiden geek that he couldn't imagine having a singer who couldn't do Dickinson. THAT really went far, as you can imagine. My voice just won't go there.

[Rob H.]

44. "Powerslave is their best release."

Truth! :thumbsup:

[Initech]

17. What he said.

Iron Maiden >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> all.

[Seldona]

27. +1

Probably never saw them live.

Incidentally I voted Slayer, lol. I've seen both. I'll take a Maiden show ANY DAY.

[WildEyedLiberal]

29. Agreed

And I'm a really young metal fan.

Maiden is good, obviously. But I went into my first listening expecting something intense and evil and hardcore, and... yeah, no. I think people get all up in arms in threads like this because they automatically assume that "overrated" = "sucks horribly." Not at all. Iron Maiden is a good band, I like to listen to them. But are they overrated, in my opinion? Yes. Are they the worst band/artist on that list? Not by a long shot. But they ARE the most *overrated*.

[flvegan]

7. Of those, Sabbath.

Flame away, kids.

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[d_b]

10. Megadeth is garbage.

[bluesbassman]

12. Point of order. Black Sabbath was not a metal band.

Though they were perhaps one of the most influential bands in the evolution of what became known as "metal", they were in fact a "hard rock" band.

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14. What??? Sabbath is not metal? "War Pigs" is not metal?

Dude. C'mon.

Sabbath are the godfathers of metal.

[bluesbassman]

15. I stand by what I said.

In 1968 there was no such genre as "metal". Metal as a genre was not used until the mid seventies. I agree that Sabbath's sound was emulated by later bands that were considered metal, but Sabbath, while pioneering the sound, was not a "metal" band.

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16. I would venture to say they created the genre.

[bluesbassman]

20. And you would be correct,

but Sabbath's origin was rooted in British blues rock. They just pushed the sound harder, louder, and more distorted thereby creating the foundation for what became metal.

[MrSlayer]

19. Tony Iommi invented the Metal riff, Sabbath is absolutely Metal.

They are the grandfathers of the genre. They are to Metal what Kool Herc is to rap.

[bluesbassman]

22. And Robert Johnson and his peers pioneered the I-IV-V progression

that's used in some variation by the vast majority of rock&roll songs. Would you consider their music rock&roll?

My point is that Sabbath pioneered a new sound that came to be known as metal, but they were not a metal band.

[MrSlayer]

23. Because the genre hadn't formed at the time doesn't mean they aren't considered Metal now.

When they first hit the scene they were not considered a Heavy Metal band because the genre had just been founded, there were no Metal bands. As you said, they were known as Hard Rock or Acid Rock. But as the genre found it's place they became recognized as the first band to do the style and so are retroactively reassigned the label. They are a Metal band, they were the first Metal band. What they were first termed as in 1969 isn't relevant to what they are considered today.

[Mythsaje]

32. They're widely regarded as the first metal band.

Or, at least, the ultimate originators of the concept.

[Iggo]

21. Motley Crue.

[MrSlayer]

24. We're talking Metal here, not cock rock.

Shout at the Devil is as close as they ever got to being Metal. All downhill from there.

[Iggo]

41. They brought hairspray and spandex to the metal scene.

We were doing just fine with denim and leather.

I hate those guys.

[LostInAnomie]

26. Whoever voted for Pantera needs their ass kicked.

Ozzy after Sabbath by far. The only thing worth listening to from Ozzy's solo career are Randy Rhodes and Zakk Wylde. Other than that Ozzy is just gimmicks and power ballads.

[JANdad]

45. I did...

Now show me the Vulgar Display of Power...

[Mythsaje]

31. Anything including Ronny James Dio EXCEPT Rainbow.

That's the Dio years of Sabbath and his own band. Dio's a master of the blathering mystical lyric. Can anyone tell me what "Ride the Tiger--you can see his stripes but you know he's clean" supposed to mean, anyway? Decent voice, terrible lyricist. Heaven and Hell was one of his few songs that made a lick of sense.

[MrSlayer]

36. In the dark of the day, in the black of the sun, he's coming for you!

Look Out!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tD5SUfqrZTE



Dio is great.

[Mythsaje]

37. Pseudo-mystical babble.

Order of the Golden Dawn ceremonial magician and everything. I used to really like Dio until I started really trying to dissect his lyrics.

[MrSlayer]

39. That is his greatness.

He can make the most inane thing seem important. His voice is tremendous. Even at age 66 he rips it.

[Iggo]

42. Every song by RJDio

...black.

...white.

...wrong.

...right.

...left.

...right.

...dark.

...light.

It's a Rainboooooooooooooooowwwwwww....!

[WinkyDink]

35. EVERY one.

[Orsino]

38. Well, KISS are certainly overrated...

...but that's the whole point. I still love 'em.

[LeftOfSelf-Centered]

40. Metallica

I started listening to metal in the late 80s through Maiden (Live After Death, and the studio versions of the songs just didn't sound right to me after that :)), but I kept reading in mags (where I grew up being a metalhead at the time was the least popular thing in the world, so I didn't have many friends to share music with) that Metallica were so great, but everytime I tried listening to them they left me cold, and they do to this day. :shrug:

I've got my fire-retardant underwear on, so flame away!
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[redqueen]

43. Three way tie between those: Slayer, Metallica & Ozzy after Sabbath.

I voted for Metallica though, cause of Lars.

[Forkboy]

46. Ride the Lightning and Master are both so good as to take metallica off the list.

Doesn't matter what they've done since. Those are two of the greatest thrash albums of all time, plain and simple, and there's nothing overrated about it.

On your list I'd say lamb of God, who have yet to even write an original song. All the rest deserve what recognition they've gotten, imo, and a few are true legends (Priest, Sabbath, Maiden).

[redqueen]

47. I don't even know Lamb of God...

but IMO Metallica's more recent stuff overshadowed those two albums, which I dearly loved.

Totally agree with you re: Priest, Sabbath & Maiden.

[Forkboy]

48. Metallica could foist crap on us for the rest of their lives...

and it still wouldn't overshadow the greatness of those two albums, and more importantly, the impact they had on music. They were the reason thrash exploded, not Slayer or Anthrax or Exodus or Megadeth. Metallica put thrash on the map, and their influence extended way past genre boundaries, much like Zeppelin and Sabbath did (and continue to do).

And to be honest, their new CD is as good or better than any recent thrash release that I've heard (and I've heard a lot). It's better and far more original than the last Slayer, for instance, which was just Slayer by numbers cookie cutter stuff.

[redqueen]

49. I agree they were the reason thrash exploded...

but their BS re: RIAA combined with the horribleness of Black and St. Anger... it was just too much for me.

This is the second time I've read that their new stuff is decent... hard to believe though.

[Forkboy]

51. Don't get me wrong, the new one isn't Master.

But I do think it stands just fine alongside ..And Justice For all, which had some great songs and some not so great songs. But style and production wise that's what it sounds like. Lars' drums actually sound like drums this time!! :)

I have a million other things I'd rather listen to (hello Deathspell Omega!), but Death Magnetic is a solid cd.

[dysfunctional press]

50. platinum.

when my wife and i got married, we decided on gold wedding bands.

[texas1928]

53. Jethro Tull.