Kate Gosselin of 'Jon and Kate plus 8' caught spanking kid

[Liberal_in_LA]

:-(



http://www.intouchweekly.com/2009/06/in_touch_exclusivekate_gosseli.php

Though Kate Gosselin wasn’t pleased about being portrayed as a mother “out of control” when In Touch magazine published photos of her spanking daughter Leah, the “Jon & Kate Plus 8” mom doesn’t regret her actions.

“Whether the paparazzi are there or not, I am a mother first,” Gosselin said in a statement released to Life and Style. “I love my children and when they misbehave, I discipline them as I deem appropriate for the situation.”

According to In Touch, the situation in question came about after Gosselin asked the 5-year-old to stop blowing a whistle while she was on the phone.

“(Kate) seemed to lose her temper,” a witness told the magazine. After the spanking, “(Leah) was screaming and crying. Kate just pushed her away and walked off with her coffee.”

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/31410810/ns/entertainment-gossip/

[LostInAnomie]

1. I'd like to spank her.

Maybe if I do it right I can get my own reality show.

[Mojambo]

2. I'm pretty neutral on spanking as discipline

But I'm totally against spanking out of anger for discipline.

[latebloomer]

23. I don't get how you'd spank and NOT be angry

To me it implies a total loss of control. If you're that angry, you need to walk away from the child.

I have no concept of why you'd spank a child when you're calm.

[Bucky]

30. Not how my dad handled it

He'd wait till I realized what I'd done, sent me to another room, then came in to tell me what he was gonna do, then delivered the punishment. It was surprisingly cold. My mom, on the other hand, was a "hot" spanker like this woman seems to be. Once or twice she lost it, but only because she didn't get calm herself first. Of course popping a kid on the behind to stop inappropriate behavior is not the same thing as spanking.

Most of us don't spank anymore in our culture, but if done right, it's not an intrinsically abusive thing. But it needs to be formalized and not done in the heat of a moment.

[latebloomer]

32. Sorry, I just don't get it.

It teaches kids that violence is OK if you're the one with the power.

Plus, if done on the buttocks, it has a weird sexualized aspect.

[TCJ70]

46. That's pretty much what happened in my house.

I never got that my parents were angry. I was told what would happen if I kept up what I was doing and they followed through. In that sense, I sort of earned it. heh

[applegrove]

60. Yup. If it is out of anger then even a tap on the but is wrong.

[LeftyMom]

3. If you have to hit a kid to get your way, you fail at parenting and you are an asshole.

Of course, there are hours and hours of television to document that this woman is an asshole who fails at parenting. What a freak show.

[elleng]

4. IMO, we could do without the 'a'hole' comments;

'failing at parenting' is another matter.

[LeftyMom]

6. If I think of something nicer to say about people who hit children, I'll do it.

I would not suggest holding your breath while you wait.

[elleng]

8. Not necessary to 'think of something nicer.'

Just delete the offensive language.

[LeftyMom]

9. Nope, sorry.

This isn't a site for kids, there's no need to keep the language G rated.

[LostinVA]

19. Why? And, it's not "offensive"

[DS1]

21. If the word asshole offends you, I suggest you find a new forum fast

Because this place has some really bad fucking language

[Midlodemocrat]

33. How the fuck would you know, princess? Douchebag.

[RetroLounge]

11. She didn't say 'a'hole', she said ASSHOLE

And it's the appropriate word in this case.

As in: "Net Nannys are assholes."

RL

[HarukaTheTrophyWife]

26. But she is an ASSHOLE -- she hit her fucking kid

Why can't we call people assholes now?

I mean, if I see somebody doing something assholish, I'm gonna be like, "hey, that person's a fucking asshole."

[slay]

5. a fuckin asshole imo

not big on censorship and i agree - spanking is wrong/abuse imo

[elleng]

7. 'Censorship' is

the suppression of speech or deletion of communicative material which may be considered objectionable, harmful, sensitive, or inconvenient to the government or media organizations as determined by a censor.

Using one's judgment in the words one selects is something else.

Seems like you have no children, and/or haven't observed families who DO. I agree that 'spanking' is wrong; generally counter-productive. ABUSE is a different thing.

[LeftyMom]

10. Feel free to use your judgement in the words you select.

However, you do need to be aware that your judgment isn't mine, your words aren't mine, and I post what I think. I'm quite aware of how words are used to communicate thoughts via the internet and other than typos and other obvious errors, which I correct if I catch them, I stand by what I say.

Should you object to profanity (in which case you must have a miserable time on DU) you should probably go ahead and put my posts on ignore, because I do use it when I feel it's warranted by the situation and best suits my intended message, and I do not apologize for doing so in adult company.

It is wrong for the large and the powerful to enforce their will on the small and the weak through violence. Further, once one concedes that it is permissible for adults to hit children, there is no bright dividing line between abuse and "discipline." Hitting kids is wrong. Always, whether done calmly or in anger, whether with an object or a hand, whether one hits the face, the buttocks or some other part. And yes, I am a parent, and my professional work is with abused and neglected kids. Who, fwiw, thrive with effective non-violent discipline.

[slay]

42. Seems like you have no psychology degree, I DO

And children who are spanked are more timid/afriad/less outgoing than those that aren't. And I'll fucking say what I want to say. Censorship is anyone trying to get you to alter your words. sheesh. :eyes:

[elleng]

51. I am a parent, and a lawyer.

I know damn well the damage spanking can do. That is not at ALL the reason for my post. MAYBE you are able to figure it out???

[slay]

52. Sorry but if you are offended by certain words

that's your fucking problem, not mine. :evilgrin: Have you ever wondered WHY you find certain words offensive? Is it cause the government says you should? i refuse to be told what i can and can not say. good lord woman if i were to try and not offend every person out there, i'd never speak. if you don't like the way i choose to express myself, feel free to put me on ignore. or sue me. :P :evilgrin:

[elleng]

53. You 'refuse to be told' what you can or cannot say?

You may have noticed that you have no control over what others say to you. Edit: You've studied psychology???

I find certain words offensive because they ARE offensive; they are rude and crude, and used much too frequently on DU. That is my opinion. AND they have lost their 'original' shock power. Now, they are merely rude, and this has NOTHING AT ALL TO DO with the government. This is a private disagreement.

[slay]

57. It is a private disagreement but

it does have a lot to do with the government. The FCC censors what people can say on TV. You can get arrested in some states for saying "fuck" around people. You should check out some old George Carlin routines sometimes for some enlightenment on the issue.

[elleng]

59. I'm quite aware of George Carlin.

OUR disagreement HERE has NOTHING to do with the government.

You MAY 'say' or write anything you'd like here; I may not LIKE things you 'say' or write, and as long as you use the words I find offensive, I won't 'like' them, and might complain about them, and think you are rude and crude.

GOT IT?

[LynneSin]

14. +1

[AngryAmish]

27. I'm sure my mom likes being called an a-hole

[Midlodemocrat]

31. +1

[Fran Kubelik]

43. I have never seen the show, but I totally agree with your first premise.

:thumbsup:

[Deja Q]

12. All you people are nuts. You leave her alone! All she needs is to get laid...

Of course, if she didn't get happy after 8 times with Jon, that's not my problem...

[LynneSin]

15. Twice - she had twins and sextuplets

so that's sex twice

[rug]

16. Coming into a petri dish is not sex.

[Symarip]

13. My mom beat me

I turned out great.

[RebelOne]

17. My mother hit me with anything she could get her hands on.

But that was in the days when children couldn't report abuse to authorities. I turned out fine also.

[LynneSin]

18. I went to a girl who was beaten by her parents when she was a kid

She ended up shaking her 4-year-old son to death.

[3.14158675309]

22. OH WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS SHIT HERE

YOU FUCKING SCREAM ABOUT NARWHALS FOR FUCKS SAKE YOU FUCKED UP BITCH ASS NARWHAL LOVER GOD DAMN

:FUCKINGHUG:

[Symarip]

28. FUCK YEAH

I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOUR POST IS ABOUT BUT YOU DO IT GODDAMN

[3.14158675309]

29. NARWHAL BONDING AN SHIT

FUCKING SECRET LEAGUE OF NARWHALPHILES GOD DAMN

[Midlodemocrat]

35. Matter of opinion, princess.

:rofl:

Just kidding.

[DS1]

20. Can't we have both parents murdered?

[Bucky]

34. No, but if you wait around long enough, you may just get your wish.

I mean, after all, they're just killing in the ratings.

Anyway, this slow motion train wreck is far more devastating punishment both to the parents and to their nine or ten brats who caused their parents to become so miserable.

[latebloomer]

24. It sounds like the kid was just crying out for some attention

Mom's on the phone (possibly continually), self-absorbed, with 7 other children in the house. No wonder you blow a whistle! Negative attention is better than none.

[worldsfair34]

50. Agreed.

Kate is just trying to hold it all together and is FAILING.

I used to feel sorry for her. It's like, "wrong place, wrong time, happens once, life goes on."

Now, with him doing it AGAIN and her smacking her kids, I just stopped recording it.

I feel sorry for the kids. I feel a little sorry for jon. But i don't feel sorry for Kate. Embarrassing her poor kid like that. She deserves to get the show canceled. I don't object to her discipline. She spanks, it's her decision. But she should have taken her inside. Poor leah.

[Pool Hall Ace]

25. I have a hard time feeling sorry for Kate

Jon and Kate already had twins, then decided to have "just one more." They used some sort of reproductive technology, but opted not to selectively reduce.

Now, I remember seeing an interview where Kate said she doesn't not mind at all that her kids look more like Jon. In fact, she prefers it that way.

Since she now has her eight Asian dolls to exploit on TV, she shouldn't be surprised that her parenting slip-ups are caught by the paparazzi.

I'm not surprised that she spanks her kids. It was bound to happen sooner or later, being that her snarling face has been at every grocery store checkstand lately.

[Bucky]

36. Honestly, I'm not picking up on your racial angle in all this.

Not that I'm defending her as a mother, but is there any evidence that she's devaluing her kids for racial reasons, or is this just you seeing race when you look at them?

[Pool Hall Ace]

39. Oh no, quite the opposite.

In an interview I saw, (sorry, no link) she said that it was pointed out to her that her kids would mostly likely not look like her, but would look more like Jon. Her reply was that she actually preferred that the Asian genes would dominate.

I personally have no issue with the Gosselin kids' (or anyone's) race, or mixed racial heritage. Sorry if it came off that way. :hi:

[Liberal_in_LA]

48. Well since you said it, they sure do look like him. Don't look like her AT ALL

[gbate]

37. Who cares? She is a shrew who is a poor example of a parent in so many ways.

Personally, I don't feel that a swat on the rear of a 5 year old is grounds to call CPS. Maybe those who are so outraged should channel that outrage for the fact her children's lives are chronicled on TV 24/7.

[Gormy Cuss]

38. I feel for those kids when the whole J&K +8 franchise loses its monetary value.

There's a lot of stress in the household now. I can't imagine what it will be like when the sextuplets are no longer bringing in the dividends.

[dugaresa]

44. if they have not packed away money for the future then they

(both Kate and Jon) are seriously brain damaged.

Eventually people will get tired of this show and they had better have some backup plan and money packed away.

[greenbriar]

40. Kate is a heffer of the first rate kind

now there are reports that Mady caught her kissing her "body guard"


with the way she treats Jon it is no wonder that he is eying other women

she is a bitch and all that money that is supposed to be FOR THE KIDS she is spending right and left


that people still watch this train wreck is beyond me


hubby watched it once and said "I can't believe you watch that shit, she is a bitch and if you ever talked to me that way or slapped me, I would be gone"

[dugaresa]

41. I may be the only person who feels bad for Kate on some levels

She and her husband remind me of many couples I know. One spouse outspoken, kind of ADD, the "do-er" of the family. The person who gets stuff done but perhaps is a bit "on edge". The other spouse is the passive sort that was originally attracted to the "do-er" because that personality type is generally fun and keeps things moving along. Do-ers are also the sort that are highly motivated. The problem is that passive personalities like the perks but generally get more passive over time, dare I say lazy, they get used to having a do-er around but the problem is that eventually either one or the other "breaks". The passive one gets tired of the high intensity environment, and the speed at which life is going at or the "do-er" gets tired of the passive one not pitching in more.

I think they wanted these kids, clearly they did. I also think that Kate was instrumental in keeping them in the "good life" with the TV show and the books, etc. To a degree they are lucky because if the nation had gotten bored with this story, Jon would be working 2 jobs and Kate would be back to work already to feed all those kids and they would be enlisting grandparents to live in their home or asking for folks to watch all of them while they tried to earn the income to take care of them.

The problem is that Jon doesn't appear to want to expend the energy required and is tired of playing Mr. Mommy at home with Kate and is tired of the press. So he lives in a $1.1 million dollar home, he has money packed away and instead of thinking, "I am one lucky bastard", he runs around at night? If not for the coverage they do get, he would be thinking about whether he could take on a 3rd job to house and feed those kids instead of day trips to NYC for some shopping and free hairplugs..etc

Sorry I feel more sorry for his wife who will be the one holding it all together while Jon runs off to have a pity party.

People say Kate is a shrew, but people don't change and he married her the way she was and I am betting was attracted to her personality type. Reverse the roles. If the man in a relationship was holding it all together and providing the income and directing the "show", everyone would be patting him on the back and saying "what a great father figure he is".

I am not saying that Kate is an angel or doesn't have her faults but I do feel bad for her.

Personally I think giving them the show was a bad precedent given the rise of the "octo-mom" and other types out there who may try to outbreed one another for fame and fortune.

[LibDemAlways]

55. Kate and Jon both agreed to sell out their children's childhood for the

almighty dollar. They've been a party to televising their children in the bathtub, on the toilet, and I've even seen her hold up a soiled diaper to the camera. They'll do anything for a buck.

Little chance they'll be enlisting grandparents to live in their home and help out since Kate doesn't talk to hers and Jon lost his dad some time ago. They've alienated numerous relatives, including Kate's sister-in-law, who previously watched all of Kate's flu-ridden children while the two of them flew off to CA for Jon's free hair plugs.

By allowing cameras to film her children's every move, Kate has received a free wardrobe for herself and her children, tummy tuck, numerous vacations, and many other perks and freebies. She gallivants around the country hawking her ghostwritten books and asking for "love offerings" at speaking engagements - while her kids are at home with an army of babysitters.

Pity for Kate? No way. I feel bad for those kids. Hope she is putting aside some of the loot for therapy for the lot of them because they are going to need it.

[dugaresa]

58. either way the kids would have suffered

if they had not cashed in, both parents would be really screwed financially. Kate may have been the only one at home, and Jon would be struggling to figure out how to earn more cash.

The show was the only way to make the kind of money to afford those kids. The perks, well they all benefit from those, Jon has gotten his fair share too and the kids have experienced a lot of nice things as well.

To be honest, the fact that they have this money and fame is what allows Jon to leave without even feeling bad about it. They are provided for and he is probably going to walk away with some serious cash and not be the one taking care of those kids the majority of the time. An article I just read on MSNBC states he is apartment hunting in NYC. Doesn't seem so close to where the ex-wife and kids are.

Sadly I think the stress of having so many kids is what brought this about. Many years ago I spoke to a sonagram tech at a high tech hospital who told me that people would be shocked at how often multiple births lead to divorce. The stress of the situation just breaks apart the family.

My first child was sickly as a baby and toddler and it was very very stressful. Luckily my spouse and I got through it with our sense of humor, however I can't imagine having multiples with separate personalities and separate issues and not going insane. You would have to be very strong willed and organized to do it, otherwise you would lose your mind.

[TEXASYANKEE]

45. My Mom was/is a sweetheart.

My Mom loves kids and absolutely adores her own 4 children (all grown). If you met her, you would love her instantly. But even she had her moments when my brothers or I drove her crazy, and she would give us a swift slap to the rump. I just can't summon up the outrage on this one.

[bikebloke]

47. Who are Jon & Kate?

Every time I'm in the grocery store queue, all the tabloids are Jon & Kate all the time. Are they theh new Paris Hiltons for doing nothing?

[theNotoriousP.I.G.]

49. Never watched a reality show in my life

don't know who Kate and Jon are or any of the other sad sacks who are splashed all over the Internet. Why are these people famous? Why are they on the cover of magazines?

That said, if this woman swatted her kid on the ass, WHO CARES? My parents gave me a few spankings in my life, even made me eat soap when I was caught swearing! What's the big deal?

[Franzia]

54. "In Touch".

Indeed.

[cherish44]

56. That family is so dysfunctional

No one's perfect but these kids didn't ask to be exploited and shouldn't have to suffer because of their idiot parents.

[Bucky]

61. What a lot of people criticizing her for this don't realize is that this was her bad kid.

[crimsonblue]

62. ....

wow. give the lady a fucking break. I guaran-fucking-tee my mom spanked me many many times... So many times, in fact, that she broke the spank spoon.