So are we all completely FUBARED because of Peak Oil and the Dieoff?

[absyntheNsugar]

I read the site mentioned earlier here (http://www.lifeaftertheoilcrash.net/PageOne.html)
and it is scary as all hell.

One quick note tho - all of these sites envision a massive thermonuclear war. Well that's the only thing that won't happen. You see, nukes need ENERGY to be launched. If there is none, they'll be as useless as your TV.

But everything else seems very probable...

[Indiana_Dem]

1. Not unless we come up with alternative energy like this:

http://www.changingworldtech.com/home.html

[absyntheNsugar]

2. Read the site - we're still screwed

You need energy to make energy...maybe if someone who started work on that NOW putting them in all over the place and converting our cars to electric...

But we don't have the energy - and we won't - our window is passing...going going gone....

[Indiana_Dem]

5. I've read the site you posted:

I am afraid but the site I showed you was posted here a couple of days ago. They already have a plant in Carthage, MO up and running. They are still a private company but have partnered with ConAgra. The technology sounds promising. I think it said it takes 15btus to put out 85btus of energy product. So it sounds good AND could rid us of our landfills and tires and medical and food/agricultural waste. Less CO2 being released into the atmosphere, too. Hope it works.

[Safi]

7. About the Carthage plant

This is the site that processes turkey guts, right?

Turkey guts + heat + pressure = oil?

Right?

"I think it said it takes 15btus to put out 85btus of energy product."

How much energy does it take to make turkey guts? Or, more specifically, how much energy does it take to create a full turkey, slaughter it, and then process its guts to make oil?

Don't get me wrong, its exactly these kinds of programs that we can use to increase our overall energy efficiency.

Turkey guts is not the solution, its merely an acknowledgement of the issue.

-Safi

[masmdu]

3. We are planning on a move to Hawaii within a year or two

We are going to go solar and farm/fish for food.

If things get bad it would be a good place to be. Also very little air pollution of the ever increasing burning of coal.

[Xithras]

12. Stay off Oahu

As far as islands go, Oahu is hugely overpopulated and is very dependent on imported food and supplies to remain viable. A total cessation of shipping to the Hawaiian islands would cause massive starvation and resource warfare around Honolulu and probably across Oahu until the population stabilizes at a sustainable level.

The less populated islands with more potentially farmable area, like Maui, Kauai, and the big island should be less severely affected...unless the starving Oahuans try to flee to those islands to escape. If that happens, they could very well carry the problems with them.

[ConcernedCanuk]

4. well lets see . the most powerful nation in the world is run by an idiot

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who loves war . .

gee

what are the chances eh? :shrug:

[maggrwaggr]

6. oh good grief

like they're gonna go launch the missles and say "shit man! Jim-Bob used the rocket fuel so he could take his pickup down to Velma's place!"

nukes need energy to be launched .......

What are you smokin'? I want some.

Yeah, like the future will be completely without energy. The last people to have any gasoline will be the government and the military, you realize that, don't you?

There will always be petrol-based energy, it will just be too freaking expensive for the average person to buy any.

[absyntheNsugar]

8. Although the military will be the last to run out of energy

What do you think will be more important to them - saving their own asses or killing someone elses? Especially if there is no financial gain in doing so...

Sorry, but I'm pretty convinced the old axiom "the world will end not with a bang but with a whimper" applies here.

[Deja Q]

9. I tried looking for a chart showing the cost of oil between 1994 thru 2004

Found this instead... and guess what, it's an old (late 90s) website.

http://www.betterworld.com/getreallist/article.php?story=20040214014558571






...anticipate that oil prices will rise rather quickly once the slightest supply constriction is perceived, starting before 2005, and possibly as soon as 2002. The accompanying inflationary pressures will hurt businesses other than the oil sector. Costs for the oil sector will remain relatively fixed initially, except for labor costs. Stock markets will make their traditional response to inflation, with the exception of oil companies.


Given that a barrel of crude had cost under $20 in 1999 but is now a blistering $37/barrel, yet alone the belief that gas prices are going to skyrocket this summer because of excessively heavy demand...

[The Whiskey Priest]

10. A lot of the goods currently consumed in US comes from off-shore

Part of the reason that allows companies to move off shore is the low transportation costs. What happens when transportation costs dramatically increases? With the cost of goods increasing and the US without the means to produce clothing, electronics, etc. The standard of living in the US then falls. Interesting if the “Peak” oil predictions turn out to be valid.

[MAlibdem]

11. last night i was fubared

it was ridik

[camero]

13. Don't nukes need liquid nitrogen for fuel?

At least that's what I thought. Frankly I think noone will launch nukes because the rest of the world will wipe off the map anyone who does regardless of politics.