I do not believe in the "big bang" theory

[JelloSka]

How can "nothing" explode?

[LeftyFingerPop]

1. I take it that you have not yet seen a lounge flame war.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

8. LOL.good one.

[fishwax]

14. haha

:rofl:

[Kali]

19. bwahahaha

:spray: :rofl:

[Xipe Totec]

42. Absolutely fucking BRILLIANT!

:rofl:

[Yavin4]

74. Post of the Year

Only 5 days in. Congrats!

[sakabatou]

2. The only ones who say "nothing exploded..."

Are the creationists themselves.

[JelloSka]

34. Wrong.

My argument is the opposite. I argue that "nothing" cannot explode. If there was an explosion, something exploded. And if something exploded then it means there was a universe because stuff has to be somewhere.

[sakabatou]

56. Except it wasn't an explosion

Your argument that it was is a false assumption. The Big Bang was an expansion of space-time.

[unpossibles]

84. exactly. This is a strawman argument

just like saying evolution is purely random - there's randomness and chance involved, but it's not a good description of the whole process. I think the OP is either going off bad information and/or they are being intentionally obtuse about it.

[bigwillq]

3. Hello.

Welcome to DU! :hi:

Although I disagree with you. Matter and particles and gases can explode, and they did!

[JelloSka]

11. But where were those gases and particles? Didn't they have to be somewhere?

What's the name of the place where those particles and gases were present? And how and when were those particles born?

[Iggo]

73. James.

[EOTE]

75. It's certainly a difficult concept to wrap one's head around.

That's typically why I allow people far more brilliant than I to comprehend it more completely. But basically, the way it works is, prior to the big bang, all dimensions were all wrapped up into a singularity. During the first few milliseconds after the big bang, all the dimensions unfolded, allowing space time to exist. Prior to that, only the singularity existed. I know it's a rather strange concept, but once again, there are some very brilliant people who have dedicated their lives to studying this.

[mike_c]

80. matter-- your "particles and gasses"-- is a CONSEQUENCE...

...of the expansion of space-time from a singularity. They were not there in their present form at all-- matter could not exist within the singularity, or indeed for the first several seconds of the expansion following the big bang.

[Capn Sunshine]

4. Explain my business model then.

It was once a common Bank.
Then...........


Ka_BOOOM

That was a hell of a bang.

[LostInAnomie]

5. Awww... I thought you were going to say something clever like...

... I do not believe in the "big bang" theory... that show just doesn't have what it takes to be funny.

In regards to the actual "big bang", no one with any scientific background advances the idea that the big bang came from nothing. That's the kind of purposeful nonsense that creationists espouse to attempt to poison the well against it. To my understanding before the big bang all matter, energy, physical forces, etc. were compressed into a singularity. That is what exploded and created the universe as we know it.

[CaliforniaPeggy]

6. Well said, my dear LostInAnomie...

I think you've put it exactly right...

:hi:

[LostInAnomie]

9. Thanks, Hot Stuff.

How are you doing?

[CaliforniaPeggy]

10. I'm pretty good, thanks.

Going out tonight for my weekly poetry reading at a local venue.

Thanks for asking, sweetie...

I hope you're doing well too...

[JelloSka]

12. How old was that singularity?

Let's assume that it's accurate to say that first there was a singularity, and then that singularity exploded and turned into "the universe." Can you describe the process that created it? Have scientists speculated on this question? Had the singularity been there forever?

[LostInAnomie]

15. Sorry, I'm a sociology major with only a passing interest in Astro-Physics.

That kind of information is WAY above my understanding.

I will say though, that for all practical purposes, the singularity could have been there forever since before the big bang what we would consider time wouldn't exist. It would have been one of those physical forces (time, gravity, weak nuclear force, strong nuclear force, electromagnetism.) that would have been compressed within the singularity.

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

17. What lies North of the North Pole? -nt

[Xipe Totec]

43. Interesting that you chose the Lounge instead of the Science forum

Care to try your luck there?

[Rabrrrrrr]

48. Time has no meaning before the big bang.

Again, you come at this with a lot of false assumptions and half-truths.

Either you're an ignorant ass looking for an Internet fight so you can get your jollies, or, more likely, you're someone with just enough to scientific understanding to be dangerous with it and so you fire off these silly questions as some kind of Socratic proof of your brilliance and science's complete buffoonery.

[tigereye]

70. but that's the internet and/or lounge in a nutshell!

[Dyedinthewoolliberal]

50. Here's a thought

Maybe it was God, or the Creative Force or Spirit or something that exploded and some billions of years later, here we are discussing it on the Internets........ :shrug:
:)

[unpossibles]

85. so what created God/The Creative Force/Spirit?

I guess I don't understand how someone can question the Big Bang and then fail to apply the same logic to what they see as the answer. A singularity exploding is somehow less believable than an omnipotent being coming into existence from nothing? I mean, who or what has the power to create an omnipotent being out of nothing? That to me is far harder to wrap my brain around.

[Dyedinthewoolliberal]

92. I agree!

It's the question for which there is no answer :)

[rebel with a cause]

51. I love The Big Bang Theory!

and will argue that it does have what it takes to be funny. Especially Sheldon.....Oh, we're discussing the real big bang theory....Don't know anything about that..I was a sociology major sometime back... :rofl:

[david13]

7. Dude, it's only a theory. But as fantastical as the whole thing may

seem, the truth may be more fantastical.
Sure it's difficult to believe and so thus for a few years now, many people have created imaginary 'creators' to explain it all.
I find that stuff more difficult to believe.
dc

[Bucky]

13. I prefer a bunch of little bangs spread out over a lazy three day weekend

maybe go out and catch a movie or a jazz band while you're resting up. You know, keep it spontaneous.

[Ivan Sputnik]

16. Our limited minds can't grasp it

Questions like "where was the singularity" or "what happened before the big bang" are meaningless, because time and space began with the big bang.

[JelloSka]

30. But doesn't matter need to be enclosed by a space?

It has to be somewhere, doesn't it? And if it there was no space prior to the big bang, where was this singularity?

[darkstar3]

38. Matter has no specific tie

to this space-time continuum. So to answer your 3 questions: No, no, and it doesn't matter.

[JelloSka]

40. I'm sorry, matter has to be somewhere

There has to be some space enclosing that matter, no matter how philosophical and philosophical your answer may appear to be.

[darkstar3]

41. Allright, Einstein,

if that's the case then tell me WHY there "has to be some space enclosing that matter".

[Deep13]

62. prove it. nt

[EOTE]

78. Dimensions need to exist for there to be space.

Prior to the big bang, dimensions did not exist as we know them. So you are incorrect in saying that matter has to be somewhere. But you're welcome to debate Professor Hawking on the subject. I'm sure he's very interested in what you have to say on the matter. :eyes:

[struggle4progress]

49. Matter is something like bent space

[triguy46]

18. With 36 posts under your belt, you couldn't wait to get this one going?

:crazy:

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

39. Man, you should have seen some of those posts.

Homeboy's got a lotta things going over his head.

[Rabrrrrrr]

20. a) it wasn't a "bang", b) it wasn't "nothing", and c) it wasn't an "explosion"

If you're going to refute science, at least try to begin to have a semblance of an iota of what the fuck you're talking about.

[Orrex]

21. But was it "big?"

[Rabrrrrrr]

22. lol - good question! I suppose one would have to say "yes",

since the 'bang' encompassed (and still encompasses) the entirety of the universe. Can't any bigger than that, so I'll call it "big", even if it did begin as something smaller than a neutrino.

[JelloSka]

26. I don't think you know where the "something" that exploded came from

Or do you? Was it always there? And where was it if not in the universe prior to the "big bang?

[Orrex]

29. You're really messed up.

We're actually going backwards, so the "big bang" is about 15 billion years in our future.

[PVnRT]

59. Why did "All Along the Watchtower" suddenly pop into my head

Yes, that is an oblique, somewhat obscure reference that makes little sense.

[crispini]

66. This has all happened before... and will all happen again.

Hehehehe.

[PVnRT]

68. Well, there's the Oscillating Universe theory....

Also, the theory that the big bang itself was due to a massive improbable quantum event, on the order of a once every few trillion years kind of thing.

Nevertheless, after the heat death of this universe and the possible rebirth of one due to quantum events or a large-scale vacuum metastability event, Jimi's music will never die.

[myrna minx]

82. Lol.

All I can say is that there are resurrection ships in orbit.

[Rabrrrrrr]

35. You come at this from a false premise.

Which was utterly apparent from your first post.

[AsahinaKimi]

23. How about the BIG POOF theory?

Besides... don't they say.. IN SPACE, NO ONE CAN HEAR YOU SCREAM?


Unless you are Pavel Chekov, He claims he can smell Klingons parsecs away ...

[MiddleFingerMom]

44. The Big Poof theory....

.
Would bring into play the unrated version of that movie,
with the tagline "In Space, no one can hear you fart."
.
Might explain Chekov's.......... nonono, not goin' there
(although that dish IS called "Gagh", for cryin' out loud).
.
.
.
.
.
Spellcheck asked me about "Gagh". If it HADN'T, I woulda
knowed it was programmed by an ubergeek.
.

[Ptah]

45. The big poof

[Kali]

47. ...

:spray: :rofl:

[Jeff In Milwaukee]

72. The Universe was created by Waylan Flowers and Madame?

Come to think of it, that would explain a lot of things.

[Skittles]

24. big bang more probable than virgin birth

[triguy46]

25. What happened to the OP?

[Deep13]

63. His head exploded in a big bang. nt

[madinmaryland]

27. Welcome to DU!

:hi:

is that you jacobair?

[Ptah]

28. What do you believe in?

:shrug:

[Orrex]

31. I believe that Mr. Pizza's Monday night $8.99 pizza deal is a pure good.

Why? What do you believe in?

[Ptah]

33. I believe I'll have another beer.

[Orrex]

36. I think that I will adopt your belief.

[madinmaryland]

46. Bring me one too!

:beer:

[JelloSka]

32. I believe in evolution

And I don't know how the universe was born. I don't believe in creationism, because Dinosaur fossils have been proved to be way older than the 4000 years the bible says we've been around.

[triguy46]

37. Does your statement of 'belief' mean that you don't understand it or you refute the science?

I don't understand much of physics but that does not mean the same as saying I don't believe in science.

[ismnotwasm]

52. Well, what is 'nothing?'

It's kind of like trying to imagine infinity, or 'forever' is it not? Hard to do.

The Big Bang theory is really quite elegant when explained in lay terms, the math is beyond me, of course.

You could always go with the prior universe(s)theory if it gives you comfort.

[AllenVanAllen]

53. Nothing...the universe is still mostly nothing.

Atoms are made up of 99.999999999999% empty space

[RagAss]

54. This is the Big Bang !

The "explosion" is still in progress.

And as for time and space....

http://www.weiwuwei.8k.com/ppi.html

[J-Lo Biafra]

55. Incendiary topic? check. New user? check.

Enjoy your stay, Slapperoni! :hi:

[caraher]

57. From the Science forum

'A Universe From Nothing' by Lawrence Krauss, AAI 2009

[AllenVanAllen]

58. "Forget Jesus, a star died so that you could be here today."

That was a good one. :hi:

[Deep13]

60. So, you discredit a well-established scientific theory...

...because your own primate brain cannot conceive of nothing exploding. Fortunately, scientific ideas are the products of knowledgeable experts examining actual evidence. We do not need to rely on the gut feelings of the uneducated masses.

Wait, let me quess. God did it? Great. Whenever there is a genuine mystery, don't use your presumably god-given senses and intelligence to figure it out. Just say "god did it" and go back to sleep. Forget the cosmic microwave background radiation. Forget the expanding universe. God did it! That's all you need to know. And don't worry about the fact that a creator god poses more problems than it solves. Where the hell did god come from and why does he go through all the trouble of existing? Rest assured god will punish anyone who points out the zipper on the monster suit.

[cbdo2007]

61. Please tell us then how you think the universe was created....out of nothing.

The one thing we know is that the universe was created somehow and before that it wasn't there.

So whether you think it was the "big bang" or some slow process of forming, your reasoning that "nothing" can't explode would fit any theory of the beginning of the universe.

[qb]

64. There was once a debate between Big Bang and Steady State theorists.

The Big Bangers won with much backing from Catholics & other religionists. Since then they have shut all other ideas out of the debate. It is not scientific, it is political. The entire Big Bang hypothesis rests on a single questionable interpretation of red-shifted light.

[PVnRT]

69. ?

[qb]

71. It was before your time... ca 1930

The Big Bang was the baby of Belgian mathematician and Catholic priest Georges Lemaitre.

[The Night Owl]

65. The Big Bang theory is not intended to explain what, if anything, came before...

...the Big Bang. The Big Bang theory is simply a model for the expansion of the known universe. This model is backed by a massive amount of observational data and is widely accepted by scientists.

There are a few interesting hypotheses on what caused the Big Bang but these should not be confused with the Big Bang theory.

One hypothesis I like regarding what caused the Big Bang is the idea that matter-energy have always existed and that the known universe is just the latest state of matter-energy.

[Orsino]

67. You have an awful lot of experimental data and theory to overturn.

Better get at that telescope right now. :hi:

[Yavin4]

76. God Farted

S/he was eating beans and broccoli for dinner.

[insanity]

77. I can prove that it did happen

Tune your television to a channel in which you get no reception. A very small percent of the feedback you are getting are waves that have reached your location in space time after the creation of the universe.

You've also made a brash assumption. You assume there had to be space and time before the big bang, which is foolish. We can not describe the conditions before the big bang in a concise manner because neither space nor time existed. We are quite certain that the universe is expanding, that our Solar System is quite young, and that space and time are relative.

If you're a creationist I'd counter with: what was there before God created everything? How does a supernatural being create something when by definition there was nothing?

[guitar man]

79. I do

I SO believe in The Big Bang Theory :P

[gizmonic]

81. Would you change your mind if it was called Horrendous Space Kablooie? nt

:evilgrin:

[Deep13]

87. I would. Anything with a cartoon name gets a pass from me!

:hi: :loveya:

[gizmonic]

89. If anyone's an expert on HSK, it'll be this guy...

:* :hi:

[unpossibles]

83. I take it you are not a scientist.

I'm not either, but I have several friends who are who could explain it better than I could.

[NoGOPZone]

86. Do you believe in the Big Bang Burger Bar?

Or its counterpart at the end of the space matter continuum, Milliways?

[yawnmaster]

88. If a universe starts its existence and there is no one around to hear it, does it still make a bang?

I'm a believer in the big bang, but I think slow and gentle is nice sometimes, too.

[Call Me Wesley]

90. The "big bang" doesn't believe in "you" either.

It's a tie about "nothing." "Belief" doesn't really matter when it comes to facts.

Welcome to DU! :hi:

[VaYallaDawg]

91. You obviously never lived in the house with my maiden aunt. n/t