Know anyone with an adversarial relationship with God?

[DerekG]

Not an agnostic, but someone who sincerely believes in the Judeo-Christian God, and hates His fucking guts.

I'm heavily into Dostoevsky right now, and find this dynamic endlessly fascinating.

[Chan790]

1. Personally no...

The self-described Catholic, French philosopher Denis Diderot was rather vocal about his hatred of God though. Monarchs too. Particularly Jesuits who he viewed as the worst of both: Clergy Royalists.

I like Diderot so I quote him in my sig line.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

2. if i believed in the judeo/christian/islamic god, i would hate him

as is. i don't

[Arugula Latte]

4. That god is a huge, huge a-hole.

Glad I ain't a believer in said giant a-hole.

[hunter]

3. My mom is always arguing with God.

She's going to sucker punch St. Peter at the pearly gates and let herself in to see the Maker of this Universe.

[RandomThoughts]

5. That is not unusual.

It occurs from people thinking God is something other then God is.

Basically many people get kicked around by supernatural things, and because it has power they think it is God. It is a false God. But many think it is God. That does not mean I think the Judeo-Christian God is false, on the contrary I think many people think that is what they are following when they are not.

I would never worship a God that only wants to be worshiped. That is pride, and the idea of no images of God shows me God is not about pride. He could have said only images of him, but instead said no images. When sharing concepts of love, you worship God in your actions since they are pleasing to him in my belief.


But anyways, I been at war with many things people think are gods, but are false.

Some other ideas, I don't worry about things like hell or lakes of fire, because any thing that would send me there is not something I would worship, hence why I think God saves people from that fate.


I do fight against false God's that many think are real. For instance if you were to ask some in power or riches why I have no smokes and beer, they would say it is because God is against me. They actually think that everything that happens is based on God's actions, God gave free will, and most suffering is caused by peoples free will choices. And many of those people make a choice to worship false things for power, or for money, or something else. And they have to show hate to many people in exchange, and with some power they think that hate thing is God.


It is a great topic you post. I do not hate the false Gods regardless if they can or can not show power but they are my enemies, and what people say like that person is probably a misview of what God is.


But here is another thought on it. Nobody knows for sure what the supernatural is. So whatever you believe is a choice.

You can try to go with 'a winner' try and pick the side that you think will have the best outcome for you just for yourself. But you might be wrong who will win, since the supernatural is in part a mystery. So just showing some power is not some reason to follow something.


I figure it is a choice, if something claiming to be God is an asshole I will fight him, with every thought and every effort. And if he was bad, guess what, he would appreciate that :) I find that really funny. Although that would not be the intent, it is funny.

The God I see that is loving and kind I will choose to try and honor with kindness and love, even when I am not perfect. Again a choice.

If I am wrong, it does not matter, because I live as I choose, and would live or die with the free will I was given by the God of goodness and kindness.

But it is a great topic.

Here is a metaphor for it. Think of the world of your youth as a huge MMO farm where people develop different skills and different attributes. Then false Gods try to snatch up people, some are cruel, some deceptive, some like to get them to fight each other, and do not care about people, they are just things owned. If one of those things shows some power and wants you to follow it, fight it, and do not accept. Listen to the tone, if it is not love, is not mercy and kindness, then you don't want to end up on their home computer when they take you from the farm, or try to buy your free will. On there home computer they would do the same unkind uncaring things to you that they trained a person to do to others.

In that metaphor there is a group that breaks into other computers and gets people out. A bunch of sims traveling between computers, in the metaphor, trying to get people away from the asshole false things that falsely claim to be God. In the metaphor those sims are from a big server where the administrators care about them and all people. Although by caring for all people, there is not always smokes and beer for everyone.

What people would be on those servers? People that cared even when the asshole false things tried to get them to be mean.

Its a great metaphor for the supernatural. How you treat other people effects where you end up.

[murielm99]

6. This is the first time

that one of your posts has made sense to me. I'm glad I did not lose patience with you and stop reading the things you post here.

[RandomThoughts]

22. I did not change my speaking style in that post.

Re read a couple of my older post, see if they make sense now.

[Deep13]

16. Gottah ask: how do you know? nt

[RandomThoughts]

21. Why would a person need to know?

So what you choose to believe is a choice.

If 'existence' was unloving and unjust, I would not accept it and find a just and loving existence of better thoughts, regardless if it was there or not.

If 'existence' is loving and just, then I will try to think on those items.

And since no person can say for sure weather either exist. I figure a person has to decide, and that decision can not be based on what is in the supernatural, because as you say, how would a person know. So it has to be a decision a person makes, not knowing.

So I know, because I choose to know, if someone wants to think I am wrong, that is their choice, not the same as my choice, but they have the right to think as they want also. Also why I do not tell people what they have to believe, and why I mention that I have some difficulties so people don't think I am pitching an idea, just discussing a choice of thought.

Basically it does not matter what the supernatural is, it will either be of better ideas, or I will do what I can to make it that way. And it also does not matter if I can do that, only that I do not accept what I disagree with as an existence, and will spend whatever thought and energy I have to try and make things better, while trying to learn what is better.


I know that I do not have some things that I should have, so I do not even make the claim that I am winning, LOL, since I still have things I need that have not arrived. However I have some other things in such abundance, that it is incredible in my perception.

So really the greatest wisdom of the supernatural can easily be foolish, but that does not change the choice of what a person will accept, and what a person believes should be followed.



Note, I use fight in two contexts in my previous post. Some things want people to fight with anger and hate, then I say I fight that stuff, but I try to do that by choosing what I respect, and trying to be kind. using that same word in two context is not completely clear.

[HEyHEY]

7. My Mom, before she just chucked belief altogether, swore she was gonna kick God's ass.

Her Mother was very ill despite spending decades as a nurse helping people. My mom thought she deserved more than 11 strokes and almost two decades bedridden. Since Grandma died, Mom seems more at peace.

[Iggo]

8. Lt. Dan

[crim son]

9. I am intimately familiar with that stage.

It's not so simple as hating His guts though, is it? Eventually I realized/decided that my animosity was a signal that I was approaching the Deity in the wrong way, and everything changed once I realized that. It did mean that I abandoned traditional Judeo-Christianity but I have never either believed or sensed that I abandoned the Deity. Your post does make me want to revisit Dostoyevsky: when I read him years ago it was with an entirely different perspective than I have now.

Do you have the adversarial relationship you describe?

[DerekG]

14. I did once, crim son

There was a time when I wanted to be a minister, but the senseless suffering and pervasive evil I saw around me crushed my faith. The pain was tremendous. Rather than go bonkers, I opted to ease myself slowly into agnosticism.

The only religious holiday I honor would be Good Friday, as I rather like the idea of God nailed to a cross, suffering with the rest of us.

[Ikonoklast]

10. God is a mean little kid with a magnifying glass, on a sunny day.

And we are the ants.


Any being that would create the entire Universe and all things in it, just to fuck with it unmercifully deserves any shit thrown right back at him.

[LanternWaste]

18. As are parents and dog owners...

"God is a mean little kid with a magnifying glass, on a sunny day."

As are parents and dog owners...

[Boojatta]

11. Know OF someone who spoke as though he had such a relationship with...

the Supreme Being. He used the term SF for God, where SF abbreviated "Supreme Fascist."

Details are in this book

[CBGLuthier]

12. I have often informed Him that if He exists I find His behavior inexcusable

I reinforce my atheism with the belief that the god of the bible, the jews, christians, and muslims is a douchebag unworthy of worship. A cruel, petty being who made imperfect creatures and then whined when they did not obey his vaguely defined will.

But usually I just act as if he does not exist.

[raccoon]

13. Go onto Religion/Theology and check it out. nt

[Soylent Brice]

15. Salieri

[Yavin4]

17. That Lutheran Bishop from CaddyShack

He had a really good round going.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r95a3p8Os-w

[willing dwarf]

19. Well it's not hate

but I've been wondering lately if God is a bit ADD, and we're just like one of the many projects s/he has got going, and if sending all those messengers and his/her son was sort of an excuse for why s/he's not been showing up to help us make sense of what the heck we're supposed to be up to around here. (As if "Love your neighbor as yourself" wasn't easy enough to understand.)

[jobycom]

20. Sometimes I pretend to believe in a god just to have someone to curse at.

Does that count? :)

[Radical Activist]

23. If the God I grew up learning about is real

then I'd rather go to hell and rebel with the devil.