Thoughts on correcting things.

[RandomThoughts]

Without using fear list ways to motivate people to do what they need to do.

Education, explaining why it should be done. Although that assumes they have same views. So could require changing views.

It also assumes they hear or read what you say.
It also assumes they care about what you say.
It also assumes they agree with what you say.


So without fear and destruction, how do you get someone to do something they should, assuming that they may not even read or hear what you say. And may disagree with your premise.


Or post why you did not read this post, care about the post, or agree with it.


Edit: is it ever possible to make the argument that not doing what needs to be done, can have a same effect applied back, and that effect becomes something that is not done, but equates to dark side effects. So although you would not do dark side effects, is it possible to argue that someone not doing something can create those dark side effects on themselves, and from that have a argument for another method?


Edit2: what are the odds anyone would read, respond, or think about this post?

[Kali]

1. "post why you did not read this post"

that is getting too metaphysical for me, man


motivating people to do what they need to do - who decides what other people "need to do"

the best way to "educate" in my opinion is to lead by good example

[RandomThoughts]

2. Everyone does. but good question.

If there is a scale that is out of balance, someone has to balance it.

Not saying anyone needs to do it, just that someone does.

But you do make a good point.



If a person is starving, someone needs to feed them, if someone is on fire, someone needs to put it out, if someone is drowning someone needs to swim in, if someone is thirsty someone needs to get them water.


The 'need' is based on concepts based on views, hence the problem, some people think of things differently.



Leading by good example, also assumes a shared value system, there is a doctrine many have that good examples are actions of suckers. Really there are groups that think being nice is someone playing into there hands and the person is in the wrong. It is a complicated belief system, but it includes superiority complexes and a few other things.

You hear that doctrine in a few posts, the idea of people wanting your money, so they want you to fight for something so you give to try and get it done, but they do nothing because you do not threaten or hurt them. Also it is heard in concepts of milking posted in another thread, where the belief is some people exist to help a small group, and they are suppose to do that. Sheep to be sheared, and then a claim by some to reap that reward is part of that doctrine.
They want people to be like them and be violent or to destroy if some correction is needed.

[Call Me Wesley]

4. You know that you make no proper sense in your arguments?

Are you watching Star Wars? 'Dark side,' 'balance,' etc. That's like Yoda-speak. No, not being mean here, and mostly I read your posts but for sure don't know how to answer them, even with a background in philosophy.

The general concepts you might ask for here are - if I'm not mistaken - called 'empathy' and 'compassion.' I think. Or becoming a Jedi Warrior ...

[RandomThoughts]

5. I am using terms that are easy to understand.

By saying dark side, it is short hand for concepts of hatred, violence, fear, threats, easier then listing them.

Balance is the idea of injustice being fixed. Really balance is correcting something wrong.



I am pondering on the limits of empathy and compassion on correcting some things, since they require people thinking in same ways many times.


As far as Jedi there is alot of concepts behind that idea.

[Kali]

6. you do what you can and try not to let what you cannot get you down.

All we can do in life is what we are able to do. There are some decision-making models that can assist, but the bottom line is you do what you can. Most of us have no way to force others to do what is right (what they "need" to do?), there are authorities or courts to assist although they are imperfect.

You have to maintain your own mental and physical health in order to do the best you can for others, and to fend off the "bad" people you need to protect yourself (and others?) from.

[RandomThoughts]

3. I remembered the answer.

You can't be mean because of not having perfect ability to judge. So you have to trust in vengeance by what is perfect. Hence do not think on vengeance.

A post about this topic in another thread answered that.

So the answer is bad stuff can happen, but not by any person, nor through dark side, since perfect justice is not dark side.


although some people think all bad stuff is a form of perfect vengeance and use that as an excuse for free will decisions that can create things. although if all vengeance was perfect, there would be no injustice, also a concept for status quo, and ideas of every one with, supposing to have those things.

Really interesting topic, thinking out loud now.


Just talking about beer money and travel money, not anything else.

Seems like society is doing pretty good.

[RandomThoughts]

7. Just read a story about someone 'talking about faith'

Really that was not the intent of the post, it was trying to figure something out I had forgotten for a moment. However the answer matches some writings, because it makes sense.