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MineralMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-10 07:58 PM
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A very strange encounter in the supermarket....help me figure it out.
I went to a suburban supermarket about 1 PM this afternoon, just outside of Saint Paul, MN. It's my regular store. Here's what happened:

As I came into the market, I noticed two women in the produce section. One was mid to late 40s, dressed and looking like a typical middle-aged woman in this area. She was picking out produce. With her was a very tall (probably 6') slender woman of an age I couldn't determine at the time since her back was to me. She was with the other woman, clearly. She wore a black vinyl mini-skirt, a lace blouse, and black stiletto-heel shoes. Her hair was dark and perfect, in a sort of page-boy style. As the other woman shopped for produce, this tall woman stood stock still, and did not move a muscle. She didn't seem to be watching the other woman, but stood beside the shopping cart. I thought it a bit odd, but went on with my business.

As I did, I noticed several people looking intently at the taller woman, but shrugged it off.

After I finished my first pass at shopping, I headed past the deli counter of the supermarket. The two women were there. The tall woman was now standing next to the cart, still absolutely still. As I came closer, I could see her face. She was in her early 20s, I think. But her face was quite extraordinary. She had some sort of heavy, even-toned pancake makeup on that was absolutely flat, and a pale Caucasian flesh color. She had eye make-up that was almost doll-like. No lipstick, and she had extremely thin lips, set in an absolutely straight line. Nothing moved. She did not blink. There was absolutely no movement in her body or face. I tried not to stare, but several other people were staring frankly at her. Zero reaction to anything. Not to the other woman. Not to anyone nearby. She looked into middle space, and seemed to pay no attention whatever to her surroundings. Her face simply reminded me of a doll of some kind.

I passed within four feet of her, and the closer I got, the more her face looked like a doll's face. Artificial, like a fully made-up geisha, but not that style of makeup at all. The makeup blurred all her features and simply looked like a mask of some kind, but not garish in any way. It was as though she was some sort of automaton, like those Japanese robotic figures that simulate human expressions, but when not actually doing something are completely unanimated.

I saw the two a couple of other times in the store, but at a distance. Each time, she was standing stock still, completely motionless as the older woman shopped. Each time, people were staring at her. It was that strange.

I believe the older woman was her mother, for some reason, but I'm completely puzzled by the young woman. I've never seen anything like it in my 65 years on the planet, and the strangeness was so striking that many other shoppers were frozen and staring at her.

Does anyone have any idea what this might have been? Was the young woman in makeup for some sort of play? Does she have some sort of mental illness? The older woman acted perfectly normal, like any other shopper in the store. It is so puzzling, and that doll-like face and the very out of place clothing have me wondering what this all was. I get around a lot, but this was the strangest thing I've ever encountered in a public place.

Any ideas?
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sakabatou Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-10 08:01 PM
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1. Not a clue.
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Haole Girl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-10 08:01 PM
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2. You've never lived in L.A., have you?
:rofl:
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MineralMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-10 08:11 PM
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3. Nope, but I've been there many times. I recognize the clothing
style, but not the rest. I can tell you that you don't see either in suburban Minnesota, though. This was way more odd than the scene on Hollywood Blvd, an old hangout of mine.
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-10 06:26 PM
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32. I've seen catatonic schizophrenics in LA
just FROZEN on the sidewalk. :o
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Liberal_in_LA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-10 10:55 PM
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54. hee! Yeah, shopping in Los Angeles, particularly on Fri/Sat night you see all
kinds of weird things
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michaelslomo Donating Member (307 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-10 08:38 PM
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4. Could it be . . . Naah!
Let's see . . . Minnesota. Lots of makeup. Looked like she was . . . hyponotized, maybe? In a trance? Naah, couldn't be. . . .
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MineralMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-10 08:47 PM
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5. Nah...had it been Michele, I'd have fled screaming from the
Edited on Tue Nov-09-10 08:47 PM by MineralMan
store. This woman didn't have crazy eyes. Just blank eyes.
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bluedigger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-10 08:49 PM
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6. Performance artist?
:shrug:
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MineralMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-10 09:02 PM
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9. That's what my wife suggested. I don't know. It could be, but
there would be a better venue than a suburban supermarket, I'd think. I've done performance art, and that wouldn't be my choice of venue.
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bluedigger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-10 09:08 PM
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11. You have no artistic vision, then...
Don't quit your day job!:rofl:
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petronius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-10 08:52 PM
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7. Performance art? Mime-in-training? Incredibly bored out-of-town relative?
The older woman was buying a mannequin but didn't put it in the cart? No clue...
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MineralMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-10 09:01 PM
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8. No, she could walk, so not a mannequin.
Just a completely flat affect and makeup designed to make her face look doll-like. And the hooker outfit. It certainly seemed to catch everyone's attention, and maybe that was all it was about. I just don't know.
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Rabrrrrrr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-10 09:05 PM
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10. She's just practicing to be a wife having sex.
Edited on Tue Nov-09-10 09:05 PM by Rabrrrrrr
Ba-doom crash.

Thank you, I'll be here all week. Tip your waiters.
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Rabrrrrrr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-10 09:08 PM
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12. Perhaps catatonia after finding out that no legitimate employer accepts a Phoenix degree?
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Jack Sprat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-10 12:18 AM
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41. WHAT??? I'M A SENIOR!!!
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Rabrrrrrr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-10 09:11 PM
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13. On a more serious note - are you sure it was an actual person? You never saw her move,
might she actually have been a doll? Perhaps one used by asperger's folk to help in socialization?
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MineralMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-10 09:26 AM
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17. No, I did see her walk.
Then, when they got to a place where the older woman was picking things off shelves, etc., she simply stopped and froze.
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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-10 09:25 PM
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14. Rocky Horror Picture Show? A recovering accident victim? One of those mannequins from Doctor Who?
Did you look around for a camera to see if you were being filmed?

Maybe she was recovering from an accident, and wore makeup to hide scars, and was still because moving still hurt.
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HipChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-10 09:29 PM
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15. I used to work in an acute Psy ward..could be someone with catatonic depression

But with acute symptons they should be in treatment somewhere..not grocery shopping
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MineralMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-10 09:27 AM
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18. In that case, it would have had to be the older woman who
applied that makeup. Interesting idea.
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kimi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-10 09:59 PM
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16. Seriously, perhaps a woman/man undergoing sex-change therapy?
I dunno. Few women are that tall. Well, in my world, anyway. I'm only 5 feet.

But the heavy make-up, the lack of animation - perhaps a guy contemplating surgery?

I have complete sympathy for those who feel they are born into the wrong bodies. It must be hell. Must be more hell to try to adjust that issue.

If it WAS a mom, and she was including her child in a totally innocuous everyday errand, more power to her. Moms like that rock.
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MineralMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-10 09:28 AM
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19. That thought occurred to me, too. Possible.
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Janice325 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-10 09:49 PM
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37. kimi and MineralMan
I thought the same thing. Thank you kimi for articulating much better than I could have.
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pitohui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-10 12:24 PM
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60. ah i see kimi already suggested the same thing i'm thinking
and i agree, the mom rocks, it's really important to start w. these small errands and just learn to walk, dress, move a bit at a time
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Dr Morbius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-10 10:41 AM
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20. Acute agoraphobia, perhaps.
Sounds more tragic to me than anything. Seems like someone virtually paralyzed by fear, perhaps a fear of being seen.

But I'm not a real doctor, so take this as a mere layman's opinion.
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snooper2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-10 10:44 AM
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21. You need to go there more often and catch them again...
duck down and come around from behind her...

bounce in front of her in a crouching position..




and go...





WOOGIE WOOGIE WOOGIE WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOoooooooooooooooooooooo

Tell us what happens :P
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MrScorpio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-10 11:09 AM
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22. Power exchange
Was the younger woman wearing some kind of collar?

If so, she definitely was the older woman's slave.

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MineralMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-10 12:48 PM
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28. Ah...I did not think of discipline fetishes.
That's entirely possible. Hmm...
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MilesColtrane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-10 04:33 PM
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30. That was my first thought.
Some kind of weird kink goin' on there. ( Not that there's anything wrong with that.)
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MrScorpio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-10 04:56 PM
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31. Kink is coming more and more out in the open
And we can thank the Internet for that.
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Iggo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-10 09:34 PM
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35. That was my first thought, too.
My second thought was, "Seriously, Iggo? Cochino!"
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pa28 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-10 11:46 PM
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40. You beat me to it.
The younger one was the submissive. Based on the description and all the attention they drew it sounds like the act was a resounding success.
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lildreamer316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-10 03:19 AM
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43. This.
This was my immediate thought.
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MineralMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-10 10:46 AM
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61. After a little research into areas previously unfamiliar to me,
I believe you are exactly correct. Uff da! I shall have to perform a brain bleach on myself now.
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Crystal Clarity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-10 11:22 AM
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23. Doing it on a dare, maybe lost a bet?
:shrug:

But the older woman w/her (particularly if she seemed to be the mother) makes this guess probably off...
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Monique1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-10 11:42 AM
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24. A Stepford wife watching over
their non stepford mother. lol
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zen_bohemian Donating Member (298 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-10 12:01 PM
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25. maybe an out of town relative who is maybe from L.A.
And was wondering if the dress was such a good choice in a grocery store in St Paul Mn?

Hey, is Mickey's diner still around downtown? I was there a few years ago and was amazed at the small diner in the middle of the skyscrapers :)
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MineralMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-10 12:47 PM
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27. Yah, Mickey's Diner is still here, and still a major landmark.
Food's not bad, either, but the clientele is most interesting sometimes.
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siligut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-10 12:28 PM
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26. My guess, she was on her way to some sort of audition, like you suggested.
Though, some women, not just those going for a try-out, keep their faces very still to avoid wrinkles or messing up their makeup, ditto with the clothes. Maybe mom was driving her and said, "We have a little time, the market is on the way to the community playhouse, let's stop off to pick up something for your father's dinner." Anyway, interesting story.
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LynneSin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-10 12:51 PM
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29. Maybe it was a Real Doll with her
:shrug:
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Gabi Hayes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-10 10:50 PM
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52. mind meld
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Old Troop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-10 06:27 PM
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33. Could it have been some sort of performance art?
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applegrove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-10 09:26 PM
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34. You never know what is going to happen in the store these days. Last month
I ran into a store clerk who said I had a gentle face and looked exactly like his recently departed mother. He started choking up. We ended up hugging.
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GoCubsGo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-10 09:43 PM
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36. Somebody who likes messing with people's heads?
Some people do things like that just to get a rise out of others.
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GrpCaptMandrake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-10 10:01 PM
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38. Sounds fetishistic
Some sort of BDSM. Public, but not overtly sexual.

Never underestimate what's going to prove sexually tantalizing to two consenting adults.
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A HERETIC I AM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-10 04:21 PM
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49. Yup. Master/Slave is kind of what it sounds like to me. n/t
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Tyrs WolfDaemon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-10 11:11 PM
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39. Could it have been some kind of study or school assignment?
Did you notice anyone standing back away from the duo taking notes on the reactions of the other shoppers?
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AlienGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-10 12:47 AM
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42. Mom shopping with her too-cool-for-the-supermarket Goth daughter, home from school
This is just my guess.

Tucker
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-10 08:06 AM
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45. +1. nt
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gardenista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-10 12:02 AM
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55. +2
And a hearty laugh for the powerplay going on between the two. How mothers and daughters torture each other!
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JustABozoOnThisBus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-10 07:17 AM
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44. Peculiar shopping encounters are dancing lessons from God
Bokonen tenet from Cat's Cradle, slightly misquoted

--- credit to Kurt Vonnegut



:hi:
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Lord Tredegars Macaw Donating Member (93 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-10 10:45 AM
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46. Tradition dictates....
that I read Antonia Fraser's excellent 'The Gunpowder Plot' every early November and Charles Dickens' 'A Christmas Carol' in the build-up to 25 December. I could probably recite both volumes from cover to cover, but they are cosy, and essential to me at this time of year.
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Lord Tredegars Macaw Donating Member (93 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-10 10:50 AM
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47. There is always the chance
that I have accidentally replied to the wrong thread, but, hey, life is too short for regrets....
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astral Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-10 03:11 PM
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48. Would you be brave enough to walk up to her and say "Hello?"
that is, if you saw them again? The fact that many people stared makes me think that something was wrong here, and perhaps people sometimes should step up and not totally mind their own business, but try to understand if this woman needed some kind of help.

I think that's what I would have done, but maybe not the FIRST time I saw them but if I saw them again. It might turn out not to be a good idea, but how much harm could come of it?
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gmoney Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-10 04:58 PM
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50. I agree with some sort of consensual "slave" arrangement
Wardrobe that sounds like fetish wear, the severe haircut and make-up, etc. all point to some role she's "forced" to play. It's possible that the other woman is not even a "partner" in the whole thing, but that the "slave" is compelled to stand at attention even when her "Master" is somewhere else. For some, the "slave" role is 24/7. The older woman may have been her mother -- why she'd feel the need to take the "slave" to the store with her is puzzling, but perhaps she's in denial or has just gotten used to it. The older woman may have been the wife of the "Master" or, of course, may be the "Mistress" herself, but I think you'd have seen some indicative interaction between them.
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MrScorpio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-10 10:52 PM
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53. Sounds very plausible to me nt
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-10 10:24 PM
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51. A goth with mental issues with a relative or residential caretaker?
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kentauros Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-10 12:15 AM
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56. So why am I the only one whose first thought was Patsy, from Ab Fab?




:P
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Art_from_Ark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-10 02:22 AM
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57. I saw a girl like that in Harajuku, Tokyo once
She was dressed in black with weird make-up, and she was sitting motionless on a small chain fence that was surrounding a local statue. For the entire 10 minutes that I observed her, she never moved, not once, even though she was sitting on a rather uncomfortable-looking chain.
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Frank Cannon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-10 08:33 AM
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58. This story reminds me of "Kerry", the Seattle transvestite who's into masks.
You can check out "her" website here. I will warn you that it's a little bit creepy. Well, actually, it's creepy as hell.

Apparently, there exists a subculture of transvestites who like to wear latex masks in addition to the clothing, fake boobs, etc. Who knew?
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pitohui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-10 12:22 PM
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59. was she a transsexual (maybe pre-op)?
before your gender reassignment surgery, you are asked to dress and live as you plan to dress and live after the surgery, if you're going male to female, you need to start dressing and living as a woman

the thing is, some of these folks have unique ideas of how women actually dress, well, they actually like to play with costume and sexy, suggestive clothes more than most of us women would ever bother to, at least to go to the grocery store

heavy make-up because if they have not been on hormones that long, or they have not had their beard completely removed by electrolysis, it works better with heavy make-up than trying to get away with a lighter hand

she might be really tense about moving, still trying to work out how to move and walk "like a woman"

not saying that's what you saw, but it "might" be

she'll loosen up as she goes, might have been one of her first outings, maybe even her first outing with her mom like that

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tonekat Donating Member (832 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-10 04:10 PM
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62. Could have been a crossdresser, I used to dress pretty
...flamboyantly before I realized I wanted to take it all the way.

Which, by the way, I just did this past Monday, and I'm recovering nicely, thank you.

I love seeing crossdressers out and about, makes our terminally serious society more fun.

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