So I watched the premieres of "Charlies Angels" and "Pam Am" - **SPOILERS**

[LynneSin]

First Charlie's Angels

I have to confess I was always a Charlie's Angels fan. As a tweener when the original show came out - I wanted to be Kate Jackson because she was smart and still good looking (but I wanted Farrah Fawcett's hair). I was a young kid so I really didn't know good TV from bad, just what I enjoyed watching each week. It was also one of the few shows my brother and I could both agree on although I suspect he watched the show for other reasons :eyes:

I also have seen both of the movies - the ones with Drew Barrymore, Cameron Diaz and Lucy Liu as the most recent Angels. It was campy fun and an enjoyable romp. Because Barrymore was the producer, she had some changes to the Angels, mainly this time the Angels would not use guns to fight crime but just serious ass-kicking. I liked that, it was a move towards the concept that owning guns doesn't necessary mean you'll win the fight.

So they decided to bring back the show to TV with new Angels and again the Exec Producer is Drew Barrymore. Probably the biggest disappointment - the Angels use guns again. What a shame. They managed 2 good movies without guns, why would Barrymore have this latest incarnation with guns.

It was also interesting that this time Bosley was turned into a hottie instead of a amusing sidekick to the angels who had the demeanor of a favorite uncle. It was interesting that when one of the Angels said "Where's Bosley?" the cameras first panned to someone who looks like he could be a "Bosley" but then turn to a very hot Latino man who is the new Bosley. This guy is not an amusing side kick.

But overall the acting was just wretched horrible even for Charlie Angels standards. More than likely I'll skip watching this show again although I suspect it might survive a few years on TV.

As for Pam Am, well not sure what to say about this mess but it was the sort of TV show if you tossed Desparate Housewives, Lost and Mad Men into a blender. Clearly ABC wants to put out a TV show that captures some of the audience of Mad Men with the nostalgia of the 60s without the heavy smoking (Seriously, a trans-atlantic flight and not one person smoked? Really?). But since ABC is ending Desparate Housewives this year they wanted another group of sexy women but this time they're 20-something instead of 40-something. But they started the premiere in the same manner as DH - with a mystery of 'Where is Brigette'. And finally they tossed in a bit of Lost by doing the flashbacks.

Without a doubt Pam Am had the better acting than Charlie's Angels but still not sold on Pam Am. It could be interesting but it could be just bad campy TV. I might watch again next week to see if it's something watchable or just utter crap.

[NewJeffCT]

1. Normally

I would love to see hot, ass kicking women, but I had no desire to see Charlie's Angels. Thanks for the warning.

[Blue_Tires]

2. but what kinds of airframes where shown in the Pan Am show?

it's the 'golden age' of commercial aviation for a reason...

[OriginalGeek]

3. I got a good look at the back of my eye sockets

because my wife and I were rolling our eyes so far back so often. It was just so terrible the hotness didn't even make a dent in the stupidity. AND THEY FUCKING BLEW UP THE BEST ONE! I am not against stupid. I loved My Name Is Earl and was excited to see the maid from Earl as an angel. Boy that didn't last long.

And yeah, Bosley is uninteresting at best. Everything was just so damn cliche and trite and (insert other words here I wish I knew but that describe how fucking stupid the little looks between the angels were and the atrocious dialog and the ham-handy clumsy action scenes were) it was difficult to make it through the entire episode.


Wanted to watch Pan Am but didn't. Might still if it lasts long enough I can start over from the beginning.

[pokerfan]

6. Didn't see either

I loved My Name Is Earl and was excited to see the maid from Earl as an angel.

Nadine Velazquez? I loved her in MNIE. Very funny with great timing and I love the accent. I might have to give CA a shot if she's in it.

[Divameow77]

7. Nadine Velazquez is not one of Charlies Angels

Minka Kelly, Rachel Taylor and Annie Ilonzeh play the Angels this time around.

[OriginalGeek]

8. Nadine was in the beginning

but she is the one who got blown up to bring Minka's character in and to give the angels something to bond over.

And it was handled clumsily. I never was sure if the blonde one wnated to stab the new one or have a pillow fight with her.

I know which one I was rooting for though...

[LynneSin]

9. Minka was the replacement Angel. *spoiler*

They killed off one of the Angels in the first 15 minutes. Minka played a childhood friend of the dead Angel - the two of them had grown up in an orphanage in El Salvador.

[warrior1]

4. I watched about 30 mintues of Pan Am

It was unrealistic. There are better shows on to watch.

[LynneSin]

5. By definition most TV shows are unrealistic - they're suppose to be our escape from reality

just how far we want to escape I've yet to figure that one out.

[av8rdave]

10. Thanks for the synopsis

I've been curious about Pan Am (for obvious reasons), but being in temporary living quarters for a while, I have no access to TiVo, and was unable to get it on TV here in the Pacific.

Hopefully the program will still exist when I get back to the states.

[MorningGlow]

11. Glad to hear it

Last year I watched too much TV--I just loved way too many shows--but this year my number of favorites has been cut down considerably, providing lots more free time. Makes me wonder if the trend will continue till there's not one darned thing I want to watch during primetime.

[Brigid]

12. I liked "Pan Am."

But they did jump around too much, and they might want to put the kibosh on the "flight attendant works for the CIA" bit. It might make an interesting movie or TV show by itself, but it's a bit much as a subplot in a show that is supposed to be fun. I think it has the potential to completely take over the show and ruin it. We've all seen that happen before.

[RSillsbee]

14. flight attendant works for the CIA" bit.

Waiting for them to flip tthat one and find out she was actually recruited by the KGB

[Brigid]

15. That's exactly the kind of thing I'm talking about.

God, I hope they don't go there. x(

[LynneSin]

18. I'm on the fence about 'Pam Am' but I'm willing to give it another try

very few shows catch me on the pilot and this one didn't. But sometimes they grow on you.

[RSillsbee]

13. Given that all 3 of the angels are convicted felons

none of them should be able to carry a gun legally. ( Not saying it doen't happen)

[Blue_Tires]

16. i wonder what this guy thought of the show:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB125650482699406669.html

[Blue_Tires]

17. cool green screen info

http://www.fxguide.com/featured/pan-am-retro-green-screen-world/