MASSIVE US RALLY AGAINST BUSH

[readmoreoften]

Are you going?

worldcantwait.org

I've heard they may be a 'communist front' like ANSWER. Does anyone have any evidence that this is true? Is it just red-baiting?

I'm going to go to this rally. I want the * Admin gone, and I have little faith in DLC centrists.

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[400Years]

24. in your mind maybe

[LatinoSocialist]

2. so what if they're communists

they're right. I'll ally myself with anyone fighting against this war. Doesn't mean that being around them automatically makes me a communist.

[readmoreoften]

9. It's sad but true.

I'm not a communist, but why is it that no one else is speaking out against this tyrannical, theocratic administration. I'll go with who is moving things along.

[Breeze54]

34. These people don't look like (OMG!) communist's to me!

Nor do these!


and what do you MEAN??

Why is it that no one else is speaking out against
this tyrannical, theocratic administration.

WHERE HAVE YOU BEEN??

And why aren't YOU speaking OUT against the Bush Regime??

Hmmmm????

Do THESE people LOOK 'communist'??


I personally think the Bush Regime IS communist!!

Read MORE!!!!!

http://www.oilempire.org

[readmoreoften]

37. Where've I been? Protesting and teaching at a university.

My point is that some people won't attend ANSWER or other rallies because the organizers are supposedly (or in some cases, actually) Communists. My only point was that I'll support them regardless because they are the ones doing the legwork.

And obviously, enough people have not taken to the streets because this regime is still in power. I prefer WCW's get Bush Out rally because as far as I'm concerned this illegal war is only a symptom of the problem-- a huge and fatal symptom, but we need to cut the cancer out at the root: the fascist, anti-worker, anti-family, anti-human, anti-science, anti-environment wackos in office and those who advise their policy.

[SteppingRazor]

3. World Can't Wait is, in fact, a commie front...

Specifically, a front for the Revolutionary Communist Party. (rwor.org).
So, actually, it's worse than ANSWER in that sense. While ANSWER caters to such groups, World Can't Wait is literally an arm of the communist party.
On the other hand, who else is organizing protests?

[LittleClarkie]

5. Well, there's this little group out in front of the local library

Not massive mind you, but organized by the local peace folks. We had almost thirty people last time I was there.

Well, you asked. :D

[SteppingRazor]

8. Good for you!

Seriously...

But on the other hand 30 people... 30,000 people.... 30 people.... 30,000 people...Hmmm...

Not much of a balance, eh? ;)

[readmoreoften]

6. Thanks for the info.

So then, ANSWER only 'caters to' or includes the voice of communists (which, theoretically, I don't mind at this point) while WCW is communist.

WHY ARE ONLY COMMUNISTS ORGANIZING! WTF!!!! Are these honestly my choices???!!!!

[Jon8503]

10. I say that we find the info that puts Answer and this organization

with communists. Not just jump out there with allegations.

I have not found any yet.

[readmoreoften]

12. I'm going anyway.

Politics makes strange bedfellows. I'm more afraid of the BFEE than 'the commies'. Until the DEMOCRATS start protesting in the streets, I guess be protesting with the ol' commies.

[SteppingRazor]

14. Really? Visit their own Web sites.

Like I pointed out above, the Revolutionary Communist Party's Web site (rwor.org) is all about World Can't Wait.

And ANSWER's Web site (www.internationalanswer.org) in cludes it's steering committee, which includes not just commies, but apologists for Kim Jong Il:

 Steering Committee:
                        IFCO/Pastors for Peace
                        Free Palestine Alliance - U.S.
                        Haiti Support Network
                        Partnership for Civil Justice - LDEF
                        Nicaragua Network
                        Alliance for Just and Lasting Peace in the Phillippines
                        Korea Truth Commission
                        Muslim Student Association - National
                        Kensington Welfare Rights Union
                        Mexico Solidarity Network
                        Party for Socialism and Liberation
                        Middle East Children's Alliance

I know it sucks. But it's true. All I can say is, the enemy of my enemy... well, you know the rest.

[readmoreoften]

16. I know about ANSWER. And, yes, the RWOR site is all about WCW.

But there are many supporters on the WCW page who are not communist organizations. Is it possible that WCW is just inclusive of communists?

Still, the enemy of my enemy has got to be my friend in this case. With front liners like St. Marks Episcopal Church in NYC, it isn't going to SOUND communist, at least.

Right now, I'll take what I can get. I see folks not doing much of anything, and then I see rallies. I don't think the rallies can hurt.

Besides, freepers don't the difference between commies and democrats anyway. To the fascists, we're all commies.

[SteppingRazor]

23. I think it's pretty obvious that one is the same as the other...

the RCP even releases WCW's press releases, fer chrissake.

Like I said, I'm not saying whether it's bad or good. Just saying. I agree with you -- enemy of my enemy is certainly my friend. The only real problem I have with ANSWER is that they tend to confuse issues. At an antiwar rally, they'll be screaming about Mumia or something.

[Jon8503]

17. Don't see anything wrong with these causes and do not see the connection

U are talking about as well as the thousands that were in DC. This is not a communist organization in itself. There may be some times that their connection could be close but it is not part of the party.

Stop the War in Iraq
End Colonial Occupation from Iraq to Palestine to Haiti
Support the Palestinian People’s Right of Return
Stop the Threats Against Venezuela, Cuba, Iran & North Korea
U.S. Out of the Philippines
U.S. Out of Puerto Rico
Bring all the troops home now
Stop the Racist, anti-Immigrant and anti-Labor Offensive at Home, Defend Civil Rights
Military Recruiters Out of Our Schools and Communities

[SteppingRazor]

26. I'm aware ANSWER isn't part of the party...

but WCW certainly is. As I stated above, the RCP even issues WCW's press releases. So, unless WCW has hired the RCP as its publicist, I'm afraid the two are one in the same.

But also like I said above, I don't necessarily think that the nature of the organization is a bad thing. Yes, they're commies. So what? In WWII, the commies were our allies against the fascists. Today, then can have the same role.

[Jon8503]

29. Yeah, I agree and appreciate your info. Like I said before, no matter

who the organization is or is affiliated with. I think you should know about them and what they stand for if you are going to march with them. Don't just go blindly into anything in your life.

I agree with these on the cause. I already knew about and who Answer was but was not familiar with this organization, world cant wait.

[gorbal]

35. Answer has a bigger tent than the dems

Many people in the anti-bush movement have an agenda that the right wing deems "communist" but let's not allow them to put words in our mouths.
I do remember many "socialist" groups at the last "Answer" rally I went to, but Al Sharpton and Viggo Mortensen were there as well.

What do you have against the kwru?

[jarnocan]

32. Not in our Name is involved and

I like their org. very much. Do stand by and do nothing on Nov. 2nd seems like a shame.

[hwmnbn]

4. Abso-damn-lutely!...

I'll be at my local demonstration.

[Jon8503]

7. Where is the information that Answer & this organization are communist

organizations. I have tried to get information on them and have not found the connection other that alleged to be or is connected with.

How do you find the information that shows this?

I support getting a larger demo than last if possible.

[readmoreoften]

11. I like this protest because it calls for Bush to step down.

It is not a 'one issue' protest. While the War in Iraq is (and should be) a top issue, if we don't get the PNAC out of power we are going to have non-stop perpetual war and NO ONE will be safe.

[Jon8503]

13. Thats right and we should not just take allegations. I agree that you

should know who the organization is but I have never been able to find anything linked to a communist organization.

Who knows, some say we have a Fascist government running things here.

[mitchtv]

15. Hey , you ever see Hillary of Kerry

organizing a protest ? (Crickets chirping) "Knowing what I know now....."

[David__77]

18. If you people pander to McCarthuism, you deserve to lose!

So what if some communists helped initiate "World Can't Wait?" I hear so many progresives whine about how the DLCers and Democratic leadership won't fight the right. Well, these people are offering leadership. They're not demanding everyone espouse a communist position, but they deserve credit for organizing and working hard while others merely sit on the sidelines.

[400Years]

27. no shit

[Sapphire Blue]

19. NOT a communist front; affiliations include Code Pink

For more info...

http://www.worldcantwait.lunarpages.info/getInformed/theCall/

http://www.worldcantwait.org/about.html

Toll-Free 1-866-973-4463 or E-Mail [e-mail]

[Jon8503]

20. Agree with you.

[Sapphire Blue]

25. These 'commie front' comments sound like they're right out of McCarthy's..

paranoiac times... are we still on DU?

[David__77]

21. Communists have a place in a progressive alliance.

They are marginal to the political scene, and are hardly a danger to the constitutional order as compared with the fascists who are running things. Please, people, get some perspective. There is a real, ongoing danger of actual fascism. We need as broad a front as possible, and these activists, "communist" or not, belong in that front.

[readmoreoften]

22. I agree.

I'll take my chances with Leslie Feinberg (transsexual writer and IWW organizer) over George F. Bush. I don't feel like I have time to be picky anymore. I need to protest. I'm sure there will be other NON-COMMUNISTS there. Probably around 95%.

Until John Kerry organizes a protest, I'll go where I must.

[watrwefitinfor]

30. Well said, David. (n/t)

[gorbal]

36. Well said

I mean we all love Bernie Sanders now don't we?

[watrwefitinfor]

28. My god - if people in 1968

had sat around pondering crap like this so hard this country would still be sending the boys off to Vietnam.

It's called a United Front fer crissake.

You unite with those who can be united with around issues you share in common. It was the inability (hardheadedness) of the socialists and communists to form a united front and provide real leadership in Germany that led DIRECTLY to Hitler's seizure of power.

Anybody ever hear of New Mobe? That was the National Mobilization Committee to End the War in Vietnam - or something like that. All sorts of groups participated. Theoretically, whichever group had the best representatives and had the best ideas and organization pretty much dominated. But theoretically everyone got to input their own ideas, too. There was lots of faction fighting, plenty of disagreement, and so on. But that's the nature of a United Front. And by god they got the people turned out to demonstrate.

Or you could sit here and gnaw your nails worrying about somehow supporting a dread commie who hates the same Bush you hate for pretty much the same reasons.

This isn't directed at the OP. Just at the paranoia in general. Get over it. You more fraid of commies than you are of Bushco?

Wat

(Edit for senior moment: big mobe, new mobe, old mobe - whatever!)

[readmoreoften]

31. Yes, I'm not afraid of 'the commies.'

I just wanted to know who I would be marching alongside. And I WILL be protesting. I'm gay and if HOMOPHOBES FOR REGIME CHANGE were organizing the march, I'd still be there with bells on.

I'm slightly fearful of ANSWER, not because it's communist but because I read some posts that showed evidence of its founder being a former CIA agent. That lead me to worry (I know it sounds paranoid) that somehow ANSWER might be a 'leftist control valve' for a fascist regime. But this WCW thing seems pretty grassroots. Also, it has the ability to 'muddy the message' because it ISN'T about the Iraq war: it's about REGIME CHANGE.

I think that REGIME CHANGE is the broadest platform we could want.

[robertangel30]

33. General Strike December 1st

Troops Out Now is calling for a general strike on December 1.

read about it here
http://www.troopsoutnow.org/

My question: Are they connected with the The World Can't Wait group and if not why not?

Shouldn't we all be together on this?

[Mr. Streisand]

38. Check this out

www.thanksalotw.com

[LW08]

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The shape of a star, symbolizing "hope," will form the points of the travel. Within each leg of the star, the charitable LibertyWalk will be creating awareness about a specific project, and current issues the United States faces regarding each project, while raising money for local charities nationwide. Projects of the star include:

. Awareness
. Civil Rights
. Veteran's Rights
. Peace
. Equality
. Poverty
. Education
. Environment
. Constitutional Rights
. Immigration

At each of the five points of the star, rallies will be held, creating a platform for all citizens to speak to the nation regarding projects just completed or those about to begin.

Rally Dates And Locations:

Austin, TX (Kickoff): Jan. 1, 2008
Tallahassee, FL: Feb. 16, 2008
Washington, DC: Mar. 23, 2008
Green Bay, WI: May 3, 2008
Lincoln, NE: May 31, 2008
Austin, TX (Return): July 4, 2008

For additional information on LibertyWalk 2008, contact Cody Lunsford or visit www.libertywalk.org.

ABOUT LIBERTYWALK 2008

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[demnan]

40. I'm going

I'll be at Bush's front gate with a big IMPEACH sign later today.