Are we ready for a tax revolt?

[American liberal]

Depending on the outcome of midterm elections, I think it's time to cut these MFers off at the knees. I am vehemently opposed to the say this current admin. is using MY tax dollars in just about every quarter: foreign policy, environment, social services... the list goes on and on.

If enough of us banned together and refused to pay our income taxes (it's a simple matter of changing the deductible on the W2 form, I beleive), we could take our country back! Tax revolt is the ULTIMATE form of civil disobedience. Our country was FOUNDED on it.

Are you willing to go to jail to stop the madness? The time is drawing nigh...

[whistle]

1. The IRS will just come and take away all of your assets, garnishee

...your wages and if you run a business, freeze your receivables and contracts until your taxes are paid. Tax attorneys run $200 to $400 per hour to fight the government and they'll tell you to pay your taxes anyway. I don't believe conscientious objector status applies to taxes.

[American liberal]

2. If 10 million people participate, as an act of civil disobedience,

in a tax revolt--with the aid of a strong PR campaign--the IRS and gov't couldn't do shit! I haven't done the research personally, but a friend told me recently that there are NO laws on the books stating it's illegal NOT to pay taxes. Like our "volunteer" army, paying taxes is not compulsory...

[bperci108]

3. I can certainly respect your sentiments, but...

...this is straying into Grover Norquist territory.

Your friend is full of shit; that dodge has been tried dozens of times. In every single case the citizen claiming "they didn't have to pay taxes according to the law" lost their ass and went to jail.

Paying taxes is required by law.

Period.

If you want to give it a shot, have fun. Hope you don't have plans for the next few years and I would suggest you learn to like canned cat food now, because that will be your main entree when you reach retirement age after the tax courts clean you out. ;)

[American liberal]

9. I resent that you equated my suggestion with being in

Grover Norquist territory. I'm talking about a tax revolt to protest the ever-growing military-industrial complex. Norquist is a yucky conservative who wants to do away with us "tax and spend liberals."

wow. I guess we're really NOT ready to put our money where our mouths (or keyboards) are.

I gotta say, every response to this thread makes me think that you are all just a bunch of Cheney plants who are charged with lurking on "subversive" message boards and blogs and putting down every semblence of revolutionary ideation. Pitiful.

The time is drawing nigh. Either you're part of the solution or you're part of the problem.

Peace,
AL

[bperci108]

10. It was a bit brutal, to be sure...but paying taxes...

...is the dues we pay for our social contract.

"Norquist is a yucky conservative who wants to do away with us "tax and spend liberals."

He is. But better a "tax-and-spend Liberal" than a borrow-and-spend Neo-Conservative, eh? :)


"I guess we're really NOT ready to put our money where our mouths (or keyboards) are."

I'm not. I will gladly pay my taxes and work to fix the problems we have not "starve the beast" so to speak. That's the Norquist tactic. I'll leave that to them.

"The time is drawing nigh. Either you're part of the solution or you're part of the problem."

Then have fun being part of the problem, friend. ;)

I'll be sure to give Dick your kindest regards, too.... :rofl:

[seriousstan]

11. Either you're part of the solution or you're part of the problem.

Sound like "your either with us or against us" doesn't it. RW talking points. Is that you Karl????

[mcscajun]

4. Your friend is standing on quicksand. Don't join him.

III. PENALTIES FOR PURSUING FRIVOLOUS TAX ARGUMENTS
Those who act on frivolous positions risk a variety of civil and criminal penalties.
Those who adopt these positions may face harsher consequences than those who merely promote them. As the Seventh Circuit Court of Appeals noted in United States v. Sloan, 939 F.2d 499, 499-500 (7th Cir. 1991), like moths to a flame, some people find themselves irresistibly drawn to the tax protester movement's illusory claim that there is no legal requirement to pay federal income tax. And, like moths, these people sometimes get burned.

Taxpayers filing returns with frivolous positions may be subject to the accuracy related penalty under section 6662 (twenty percent of the underpayment attributable to negligence or disregard of rules or regulations) or the civil fraud penalty under section 6663 (seventy-five percent of the underpayment attributable to fraud). Additionally, late filed returns setting forth frivolous positions may be subject to an addition to tax under section 6651(f) for fraudulent failure to timely file an income tax return (triple the amount of the standard failure to file addition to tax under section 6651(a)(1)). See Mason v. Commissioner, T.C. Memo. 2004-247, 88 T.C.M. (CCH) 398 (2004) (frivolous arguments may be indicative of fraud if made in conjunction with affirmative acts designed to evade paying federal income tax).

http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-utl/friv_tax.pdf

[mcscajun]

5. The penalties aren't limited to monetary ones, either.

Taxpayers who rely on frivolous arguments may also face criminal prosecution for: (1) attempting to evade or defeat tax under section 7201, a felony, for which the penalty is a fine of up to $250,000 and imprisonment for up to 5 years; or (2) making false statements on a return under section 7206(1), a felony, for which the penalty is a fine of up to $250,000 and imprisonment for up to 3 years.

Persons who promote frivolous arguments and those who assist taxpayers in claiming tax benefits based on such arguments may also face various penalties such as: (1) a $250 penalty under section 6694 for each return prepared by an income tax return preparer who knew or should have known that the taxpayer’s argument was frivolous (or $1,000 for each return where the return preparer’s actions were willful, intentional or reckless); (2) a $1,000 penalty under section 6701 for aiding and abetting an understatement of tax; and (3) criminal felony prosecution under section 7206(2) for which the penalty is up to $250,000 and imprisonment for up to 3 years for assisting or advising about the preparation of a false return or other document under the internal revenue laws. Further, promoters who fail to comply with court orders run the risk of incarceration for contempt of court. A tax scam promoter named James A. Mattatall was arrested for failing to provide list of the names, addresses, phone numbers, and Social Security numbers of his customers to the Justice Department pursuant to a court order. See http://www.usdoj.gov/tax/txdv04699.htm

http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-utl/friv_tax.pdf

[mcscajun]

6. I'd keep a low profile, if I were you.

Even promoting this can land you in jail. You sound willing to go, but I'd remind you it's hard enough to get any three people to agree on anything in the real world, much less thousands or millions. (and you'd need millions to act in concert to make any kind of statement or dent in the system.)

Persons who promote frivolous arguments and those who assist taxpayers in claiming tax benefits based on such arguments may also face various penalties such as: (1) a $250 penalty under section 6694 for each return prepared by an income tax return preparer who knew or should have known that the taxpayer’s argument was frivolous (or $1,000 for each return where the return preparer’s actions were willful, intentional or reckless); (2) a $1,000 penalty under section 6701 for aiding and abetting an understatement of tax; and (3) criminal felony prosecution under section 7206(2) for which the penalty is up to $250,000 and imprisonment for up to 3 years for assisting or advising about the preparation of a false return or other document under the internal revenue laws.

http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-utl/friv_tax.pdf

[Totallybushed]

7. Go for it , Buddy.

I'll cheer from the sidelines.

You do know that convicted felons lose their right to vote, don't you?

[seriousstan]

8. I would stock up on cigarettes, I think Marlboro and Salems are popular

in prison. You also might entertain the thought of an "alternative lifestyle". Maybe line up some people to make sure you have commissary money deposited in your account.

Good luck with Bubba.

[and-justice-for-all]

12. Taxation is actually unconstitutional..

...It would be something to ponder, if they no longer had an income where are the funds going to come from to pay for their warmongering?

[fasttense]

13. Not paying taxes can be illegal but what if you took the money you

owed on taxes and put them in a savings account? This is done when a landlord refuses to make repairs to a building yet keeps demanding rent. It shows the intent of the renter to pay. I wonder if something like that would work on taxes? Our landlord, the US government, refuses to spend our tax dollars wisely and is giving away our money to Halliburton and other thieves.