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waylon Donating Member (598 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-19-03 05:39 PM
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African-American Republican Leadership Council remarks on Dean
Commenting on Deans recent fundraiser where certain racial epithets were used, Kevin Martin, political director for the African-American Republican Leadership Council lamented,

"These bigoted and racist attacks upon the Jewish, African-American and Gay Communities for profit are a disgrace and have no place in American politics. Howard Dean has shown he is a candidate for racial division and hatred and his supporters are nothing more than the new century's Ku Klux Klan."




This is why Dean will not have a chance I think. Add the Confederate flag remark and Rove & Co. will have a lynching party.


DK is the clear distinction.
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w13rd0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-19-03 05:41 PM
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1. You need a link...
...and furthermore, when posting right-wing propaganda, one must actually do something other than regurgitate the RW talking points. Thanks for playing though.
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waylon Donating Member (598 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-19-03 05:48 PM
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3. sorry, read it on newsmax... dont have a link anymore though
Not sure what you mean by "thank for playing"
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no name no slogan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-19-03 05:54 PM
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4. newsmax doesn't count
Edited on Fri Dec-19-03 05:58 PM by no name no slogan
Newsmax is about as right-wing as you can get. In fact, IIRC, your post could very well be banned for linking it to Newsmax. Just a "heads-up" since I see you're a newbie.

I gotta wonder about this group though, the "African-American Republican Leadership Council"? Considering their demographic (non-white male "leaders" in the Repub Party), I have a feeling you could hold the meeting in a VW Beetle and have plenty of room for the driver.

J.C. Watts, Colin Powell and Condi Rice would be cruising in elegance, I think.
:-)
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waylon Donating Member (598 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-19-03 05:59 PM
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6. it is a conservative group
The mission and purpose of the African American Republican Leadership Council (AARLC) is to break the liberal democrat stranglehold over Black America.




Perhaps I shoudl include this info in future posts, I seem to be getting a bit of backlash from it.


Why do you say "In fact, IIRC, your post could very well be banned for linking it to NewSMACK."?

Unsure
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waylon Donating Member (598 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-19-03 06:01 PM
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7. ill get the hang of it....
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CMT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-19-03 05:43 PM
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2. yes
and this is why Dean has been getting one endorsement after another from African-American and Latino political and community leaders, including more members of the Congressional Black and Latino Caucuses. They really love to endorse racists.
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ima_sinnic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-19-03 06:34 PM
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8. gee that's strange--Black Commentator says "Dean makes
Edited on Fri Dec-19-03 06:35 PM by ima_sinnic
Racial-Political History":

Howard Dean’s December 7 speech is the most important statement on race in American politics by a mainstream white politician in nearly 40 years. Nothing remotely comparable has been said by anyone who might become or who has been President of the United States since Lyndon Johnson’s June 4, 1965 affirmative action address to the graduating class at Howard University. . . .

Prior to Johnson’s Howard University address, no sitting or potential President since Reconstruction had drawn the straight line that connects racism and poverty . . .

Bill Clinton – the ridiculously dubbed "Black" President--began his 1992 campaign by staging an ambush of Sister Souljah to impress white males, dedicated his second term to elimination of "welfare as we know it," and ended his tenure with a purposeless national "conversation on race" that went nowhere by design.

Howard Dean has taken history in his hands by hitching his ascendant campaign to a straightforward, anti-corporate message that does not pander to white racism. He presents whites in the South and elsewhere with the only principled choice they should be offered: to vote their interests, or vote for their bosses’ interests (if they are lucky enough to have a job). Although corporate media called Dean’s statement his "southern strategy," it is in fact the only position that holds out any hope for a national Democratic victory in 2004--whether enough southern whites emerge from their racist "false consciousness" or not. . . .

on edit: link: http://www.blackcommentator.com/68/68_cover_dean.html
Black Commentator, December 11, 2003

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"not a chance"? don't count on it.

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mbali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-19-03 09:34 PM
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10. The Black Commentator
is no more credible than this group of black Republicans.

Everything that calls itself black does not represent the interest of the black community. The Black Commentator falls into that category. I suggest not trying to use it as any authoritative source on the views or perspective of blacks.
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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-20-03 12:34 AM
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11. That really is a dumb name--just begging for credibility
"Oh look at me! I'm black! That entirely sums up the limits of what I am."

Strom would be so proud.
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lapauvre Donating Member (387 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-29-03 09:39 PM
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16. I don't know what the "racist" remark was
but if it was the one about the flag flying pickup truck drivers, I do know a bit. My very best Democrat friend, is an African American male same age as me, 68.

He was extremely offended by the Dean remark. I understood it absolutely. We still have a conflict about it.

I can understand his reaction to the Confederate flag waving pickup drivers, but what he doesn't understand, which all democrats and flag waving pickup drivers should understand, is that it isn't ONLY African-Americans in the south who are unemployed, poor, seeing their parents and children going without medical care and proper schooling, if not food and the ability to pay utility bills.

Those pickup truck drivers are, perhaps, under the Republican fed delusion, or illusion, that somehow African Americans are causing their problem.

Howard Dean, (whom I do NOT support) as he often does, blurted out a comment in line with what he said early on. He would address "race" in every part of the country. And I give him credit for the intent,
if not for the wisdom of the statement.

I am in the south, and I find those to whom I have talked about politics to be voting Republican in my state, even though they have no jobs, no health care, no opportunity, social services being cut, teachers being laid off, medical services being cut back, and I wondered why.

The why is, among whites, a silly and archaic assumption, that the African-American population among them are the only ones being served by social proponents.

If they read, (and I am not holding my breath for them to do so) the census reports for the past however many years, they would be aware that the logic of demographics indicate the following:

African-Americans (and I do not want to go to the census at the moment, but feel free to do so by way of google) are less than fifteen percent of our population--a minority. Percentage of African-Americans receiving will be greater than the Caucasian percentage.

Numerically, though, Caucasian recipients of welfare far, far, far outnumber the African-Americans receiving welfare. When you consider that they are 85% or so of the population, it is only logical.

What Dean was trying to do is let them know that a change of regimes and representation was to the benefit of their families, jobs, education and health. Not just to African-Americans. I understood it perfectly.

My African-American friend still doesn't get it.

When GWB invited the Nascar drivers to the White (got that word, lol) House, he accomplished the same thing. Nascar fans are those who drive those pickup trucks, etc.

Where could Dean invite the Nascar drivers? He had the subject right, the presentation wrong. Hoof and mouth disease? Poor Dean. And I don't even like him.

But you DO, I hope, see the difficulty.
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davidinalameda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-19-03 07:23 PM
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9. whatever!
why would anyone listen to a Republican group judge a Democratic candidate for president

like they're so objective

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Albert Einstein Donating Member (241 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-20-03 01:42 AM
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12. This is an important issue
The Dean supporters should be ashamed of themselves.
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davidinalameda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-20-03 03:07 PM
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14. turn on HBO or Showtime whenever they have
commedians on there-like Chris Rock and see how many times he uses the "N" word

this was not a rubber chicken political speech fundraiser

this is such a non-issue

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arcos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-20-03 05:03 AM
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13. Dean repudiated those remarks...
and according to news articles, he was "fuming" on the racial "jokes" by the MC.
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floridaguy Donating Member (751 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-27-03 04:55 PM
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15. Are Democrats really saying racism is a non-issue?
I'm having trouble understanding how Dean supporters have not addressed the racism issue. It keeps coming up. Okay, this week it was a RW source, so we won't give it any credibility, but last week it wasn't credible, because . . ?

The Dean family connection to the Maidstone Club that still does not allow blacks. Doesn't this concern Dean supporters at all? Would it matter if you knew Dr. Dean was the keynote speaker earlier this year?

So what was the answer to Rev. Al Sharpton's question at the Boston debate? Were Dean's Confederate flag comments racist or just a bad choice or words?
And if he made a mistake, was he too arrogant to admit it?

I'm still not sure what the answer here is, however I can tell you both Southern whites and blacks were not impressed. Perhaps he got the Chevy or Ford vote, though.

The Confederate flag always raises emotional race issues related to slavery. The President has to use better judgment.
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lapauvre Donating Member (387 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-29-03 10:32 PM
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17. The hand we are dealt
Reality is reality. And I don't care if Howard Dean, (again, whom I do NOT support) was the keynote speaker at the "The White People's Desire to Own All Country Clubs, or whatever."

I this is about the pickup thing. Get a clue. Please, get a clue.

White voters in the south need a wake up call. Give it a chance.
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pezcore64 Donating Member (498 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-03 04:28 AM
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18. Yeah...
Howard sure does hate those darn jewish people!
Hates them so much he married a person of that faith ;)


Sheesh.

When people run out of things to call him racist over, I believe theyll say hes anti-white ;)

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