Does supporting Dean equal this:

[VoteClark]

New York

:nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke:

Denver:

:nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke:

LA

:nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke:

Chicago


:nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke:


Dallas

:nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke:


Miami

:nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke:

Pittsburg

:nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke:

St.Louis

:nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke:

DC

:nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke:

Seattle

:nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke:

Dean has no Foreign experience. How would he prevent a nuclear war with International terrorists?

J4Clark

[w4rma]

1. Gov. Dean knew enough about foreign policy to know not to invade Iraq

General Clark also knew enough about foreign policy to know not to invade Iraq.

[NIGHT TRIPPER]

16. HEY VoteCLARK --R U a consurrrrrvative?

hey "voteclark"--I just saw yur meat thread
Sounds like you are a bit puke-ish
what's your point?

[VoteClark]

26. That is just a thought nothing serious

I just think it is funny :)

I am very very liberal. I think if you protect cows you ought to protect plants and flys too. Which is impossible so just treat them the same. I don't think I have been accused to many times of being conservative. LOL.

I am to the left of Leon Tolstoy


J4Clark

[SGrande]

57. but he didn't know the size of the U.S Army !

Damn, sometimes its so fun to point out the loony tunes running for President.

:argh::argh::argh::argh::argh::argh::argh::argh::argh::argh::argh::argh::argh::argh::argh:

[AmyStrange]

61. He said one to two million....

And it's around 1.4 million. Of course that depends on what you consider "part" of the military.

What other lies do you got?





Dave (AmyStrange.com)
http://www.SeattleActivist.org/MyLifeStory.html
DU (slang/ folklore) Glossary (Dictionary): http://DUG.SeattleActivist.org/
Index of WMD Articles: http://WMD.SeattleActivist.org/

Here are some excellent resources and timelines of quotes and interviews and newspaper article quotes documenting the different things Bush and Co did and said for the last two plus years concerning the war in Iraq and WMDs (and other fun things) from the Howard Dean Website---even if you're not a Dean Fan, these are still excellent resources:

The Bush Administration And WMDs: Then And Now:
http://www.deanforamerica.com/site/PageServer?pagename=bush_wmd_summary

Niger-Uranium Timeline:
http://www.deanforamerica.com/site/PageServer?pagename=niger_timeline

Bush and WMD: Assumptions vs. Reality:
http://www.deanforamerica.com/site/DocServer/TikTok_-_Bush_-_Iraq_-_Side_by_Side.pdf?docID=781

The Bush Administration and WMD: What did they know and when did they know it?:
http://www.deanforamerica.com/site/DocServer/TikTok_-_Administration_-_Iraq_Deception.pdf?docID=762

[VoteClark]

67. No, not on Meet the Press

Tim Russert asked him "How big is the military?" he said he didn't need to know that to run for President. It is 1.2 million. He should know that. Read the transcripts of Meet the Press. He doesn't know, don't change that. There is a huge difference between 1 and 2 million people. He wasn't asked how many in the Army, Navy, Airforce, Marines, and Coast Guard. Just how many total. Any Private can tell you how many total. I would like someone to ask him if he knows the state bird and flower of Vermont and watch him stumble over that one. :) Bet he doesn't know that either. Or name the faces on Mt. Rushmore. Or name all the Presidents in order front to back, back to front, what party they were in, what year(s)they served, and who their Vice-President(s) were.

J4Clark

[Momof1]

2. A little harsh?

[silverweb]

3. That is completely illogical.

To say nothing of echoing the GOP tactic of fearmongering....

:eyes:

[CarlBallard]

4. Only supporting someone who might lose to the boy king

would cause that. Really, Dean's not even my guy, but under him (and Clark, and all the other Dems) we'd have allies again. We wouldn't waste as much time in Iraq either.

[VoteClark]

36. PLEASE, Iraq has nothing to do with terrorists

It is about North Korea, Iran, and Russian lose cannons supplying Ex-Saudis with nuclear weapons because we are supporting Isrealits that are dropping bombs on their people in Isreal.

J4Clark

[CarlBallard]

51. I didn't mean to imply they did have anything to do with terrorists

I thought I was implying the opposite when I said "We wouldn't waste as much time in Iraq either." I wasn't saying Dean would be the best, as I've said before, and will probably say again I'm a Clark booster, and I hope he runs. But whoever wins the Democratic nomination is going to have to run against Bush and I just don't see how implying that most major cities in the country would be nuked if he was President helps the cause. Especially when Bush has made us less safe.

[lcordero]

5. He has no Foreign experience but he can get his staff to help with that

The rest of the world is going to love him, especially when they don't need to deal with shrub* anymore.

[Outvoicer]

6. You believe we're safe under Bush?

Please. I'd bet Dean has more understanding of world detente in his little finger than Bush has in his cash-addled brain.

[VoteClark]

9. I agree but. . .

I think winning is not enough. I Bush uses his staff too. I don't want a president that knows nothing and has to call on all his staff to think for him. I think Dean would do well in Domestic policy. But the international terrorists are not going to stop because Dean is in power. They will gain Nuclear weapons between 2005 and 2009. We need to have someone that understand this and how to stop it.


J4Clark

[KeepItReal]

14. So the CIA, FBI and NSA will play dead

And let "terrorists" acquire and use nukes?

The President is not superman. He is just one branch of government. There are agencies and organizations who do the real grunt work of finding and dealing with these kinds of issues.

[VoteClark]

23. Well, where were they before September the 11th?????

[deutsey]

28. There were plenty of FBI agents trying to alert the higher ups

Bush and his circle, for whatever reason, chose not to listen.

[VoteClark]

31. Bush was probably the cause

Bush didn't do anything because he was the cause. Dean will just argue and call them names.



J4Clark

[deutsey]

40. Whew...I thought we were actually going to agree on something

:evilgrin:

You had me on your side there for a split second, then you slipped back into la-la land again.

[KeepItReal]

7. Your pResident had *NO* foreign experience before being selected

"Outside of trips to Mexico, the country bordering Texas, Bush is claiming only three overseas trips. His longest was a month-long stay in China in 1975 when his father was U.S. envoy.

The New York Times cited this trip in an article about Bush’s surprising ambition to be president, noting his “overseas experience was pretty much limited to trying to date Chinese women (unsuccessfully) during a visit to Beijing in 1975.”

Another overseas trip was with a delegation of state governors to the Middle East in 1998, Bush's campaign said. En route, Bush stopped in Italy to see one of his daughters, apparently Bush’s only time in Europe.

The third overseas trip was a visit to the African country of Gambia as part of a U.S. delegation commemorating Gambia’s independence.

Those three trips leave out vast areas of the world and suggest a lack of curiosity about people and history outside American borders.

The Bush campaign sought to compare Bush’s lack of world knowledge with that of presidents Bill Clinton, Ronald Reagan and Jimmy Carter. But those presidents had traveled widely in the world.

Clinton had been a Rhodes scholar in England and visited much of Europe, including Moscow. Reagan had traveled as a movie actor and a representative of the United States. Carter served in the U.S. Navy.

Bush’s lack of world experience is particularly striking, given the fact that he was the son of privilege and had a father who served as the U.S. ambassador to the United Nations and as CIA director. Despite these advantages, Bush apparently chose to stay close to home, shunning the challenges and excitement of international travel."

http://www.consortiumnews.com/2000/102900a.html

[VoteClark]

8. My President is Clark!

Bush will lead to the same thing. We need to have a President that can stop this.

J4Clark

[KeepItReal]

13. Your premise is shoddy

Lack of foreign ploicy experience does not equal someone sending us into a nuclear or nukular war.

A better premise would be "Clark could win a nuclear war better than Dean (or Bush) because he's a General." Does that make sense?

Clark seems to be a good man. Nothing against him. If you think nuclear war avoidance is a factor in picking a candidate, be my guest. Just don't assume somone who isn't a military-type is not qualified for the job.

By the way, Governor Dean is a medical doctor. His profession is/was *saving lives*.

[VoteClark]

21. Think like a terrorist

Let me ask you this. If you were a Terrorist with the chance to get back at the United States, would you do when they have President that is reluctant to use military force?

Dean has no relationships with foreign governments to prevent the sale and purchase of nuclear arms to international terrorists. He is asking for a terrorist attack. Dean shows a serious vulerability of the United States that can't be passed up. His views on foriegn policy and I/P conflict are the same as Bush's. This is like letting a kid lose in a candy store.

Dean didn't save lives, he worked in an abortion clinic. Not saying that is wrong, but it doesn't save lives like an ER.

J4Clark

[dsc]

52. No he didn't

he had a general practice. And even if he did, he likely would have saved at least a life or two given that some abortions are to save the life of the mother. But again he didn't work in an abortion clinic as a doctor. I think he did for a part of his residency.

[JohnKleeb]

56. Again I am not for Dean but

You actually think Dean is some kind of peacenik you are so wrong. He supported Kosovo and hell he even had mixed feelings about the stuff Reagan did in the 80's which I opposed. He's not a dove and thats one of the reasons I am not going for him. Well if we do get Kucinich an even headed apporach to Israel will make us less hated.

[deutsey]

33. Psst. Clark has to declare that he's running first.

Pass it on...

[VoteClark]

34. He did back in November of 2001

Unlike Dean, Clark doesn't need to declare two years before the election to place 4th in primaries. He can declare in December and still beat Dean. Come'on. Clinton didn't declare until OCTOBER, just a few months before the NH primary.

J4Clark

[deutsey]

35. I'm just saying that before he's your (or anyone's) president

Clark has to declare that he's running and then make his case to the American public.

That's kind of how it works here.

PS: And if he's declared, why are people tryng to draft him to run?

[VoteClark]

46. I was being sarcastic

He hasn't declared. My point is that it is too early for any candidate to declare.

If you watch the news you will see that Clark is on TV all the time. Has been for years expressing his views.

You just don't pay attention. He was against the Iraqi War long before Dean, Clark said so on CNN right after the war started. He said that Donald Rumsfeld said prepare for war against Iraqi and Afghanistan on the 12 of September.

There is no real view in current politics that he has not expressed an opinion.

The Draft Clark movement is just building support for Clark before he declares in the near future. He has an office in New Hampshire and WDC already. He has 30,000 supporters on the ground already. A $500,000 budget from donations, not to mention millions more he will get from the Stephens Corperation that he worked for, the same that backed Clinton.

The DLC and DNC really support Clark. The Clintons and he are personal friends, they grew up together in Little Rock. He was born in the same town as Hillary and moved to Little Rock, just like Hillary. He is a Rhoads Scholar, just like Clinton was.

He has been groomed for the Presidency for years now. He is not entering the race when people are not paying attention. He will offically enter in August or October when people are paying attention to the race. You will see. He will enter with a bang and take the nomination by Super Tuesday.


J4Clark

[deutsey]

62. Oh. Sarcasm. Hardee. Har. Har.

And by the way, you have no idea whatsoever whether I "pay attention" or not, so please keep your sweeping generalizations for your facile attacks on Dean (who at least has more of public record for you to attack than I do).

Frankly, I don't give a shit WHEN Clark was against the invasion. I'm just glad that he was. For some reason, that kind of pissing-contest-stuff matters to you. I'm just glad the man had the integrity and decency to refuse going along with Bush Co. Unlike you, I'm not blinded by my devotion to my candidate. I see that Clark seems like a competent candidate. I see the same thing with Kerry. I'm not so thrilled with Gephardt, but I wouldn't rule him out as a candidate. The only candidate I'm not thrilled with is Lieberman, and, frankly, I would even vote for him if he gets the nomination (God help us all).

Perhaps the main reason I'm not on Clark's bandwagon is, again, he hasn't declared that he's running. Dean has officially entered the ring. Although Clark seems to be a Democrat, I don't even know for certain that's what he is. I hope he is, but to my knowledge he hasn't officially declared that, either.

Perhaps (doubtful) I'll reconsider when/if Clark does declare and I have a better idea about what his positions are. I will not just march along with him just because, as you say, he's been groomed for the presidency. Big fucking deal...after all, he has to earn his votes like the other candidates do, groomed or ungroomed--unless your last name is Bush, then you're entitled to be president by fiat.

And, by the way again, I already said Clark doesn't look like a bad candidate (assuming he'll actually run). It's just customary to declare that you're one first, regardless of your grooming.

[VoteClark]

22. Yes, he Does, Clark has Plenty

It is Bush and Dean that don't.

[silverweb]

10. Furthermore...

A healthy, vibrant, positive United States is more likely once again to be an object of admiration and emulation rather than fear and hatred, as is now the case. It doesn't take "foreign experience" to use common sense and fairness in negotiations, neither of which two qualities has been evident to the slightest degree in the current administration.

I posted in another thread, which was sinking anyway, so I'll repost here why I think Dean is our best choice.

Dean is a common sense candidate. That's what I like best about him. He is for the most effective ways to achieve what is best for the most people and the country and the planet overall.

He is for reestablishing the common sense kind of community that government is supposed to facilitate - "to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity...."

The debate isn't between "liberal" and "conservative" philosophies anymore, because those terms have been so muddied that they really don't mean what they used to. The neocons are not the same as old-time conservatives and neoliberalism is anathema to old-time liberals. Besides that, we have anarchists, right-wing fundies, PNAC imperialists, and militia-minded isolationists all thrown into the mix to confuse matters further. None of these entities are really at the heart of the matter at this point.

Dean, I believe, is the man who is trying to reestablish our constitutional government in its best and most noble form, "of the People, by the People, and for the People" - and he means it for all the People, not just the favored few. I can almost see how his mind works at evaluating each issue, weighing the risks and the benefits, just as his scientific medical training prepared him to evaluate the risks and benefits of therapies on a case-by-case basis.

The cardinal rule in medicine is, "First, do no harm." Everything else follows. I believe Dean is applying this rule as best he can to our nation's critical illness at this time.

Dr. Dean is the one we need and he has my full support. The GOP would do well to squirm in fear and the DLC in shame.

[VoteClark]

12. Actually he doesn't

Dean supports the Fence in Isreal. And he favors the Isrealites in the conflict. That is what is fueling attacks against the United States if talk to any Middle Easterner.


J4Clark

[silverweb]

15. First of all...

The Israel-Palestine situation is a complex one, with good and evil on both sides. If you can point me to a statement where Dean has said that Israel unequivocally has the right of it, I'll be happy to read it. So far I have found none, but I don't claim to know every word the man has uttered, either.

Capitulating completely to the demands of one side or the other, when they both have some valid points and are both in many ways wrong, would be foolish for any leader. That's why negotiations are so exhausting and frustrating. Don't try to oversimplify the situation.

[Jim Sagle]

20. So what?

[Booberdawg]

11. That is ridiculous

:wtf:

[deutsey]

27. This exceeds ridiculous

So, using the original poster's logic, will all these cities look like third-world countries because Clark has no experience with domestic governance?

I've refrained from making snippy comments on posts like these, but I must say that the original post here is THE most asinine post I've seen in quite some time.

:thumbsdown:

[VoteClark]

29. Wrong, Clark does have Domestic Experience

He has lots of domestic experience. He wrote the US Budget, he also ran military bases, that are small cities.

Tell me, what is Dean's plan to avoid terrorists from aquiring nuclear weapons from North Korea, Russia, and Iran?

Got a clue?


J4Clark

[deutsey]

32. Where I live is not a military base

it's a civilian town. There's a huge difference. I---

oops. what a minute. I've got to come clean here. My conscience just won't allow me to go on with the LIE anymore!!!!!!!!

You're right (sob sob sob)...Dean has given absolutely no thought to this issue you raise. You characterize Dean so eloquently and use such ironclad logic that you have exposed this terrible secret that all of us Dean supporters have been desperately trying to conceal.

I know for a fact (and by saying this, I know I will be ostracized by the Dean heirarchy, but I don't care) that Dean sees the world as an idyllic wonderland where all God's children skip through fields of posies singing Kumbya. Oh, the horror, the horror...

You get a clue, pal. We're a civilian-run country (theoretically); it's not run by a military junta (at least not until Bush came along), so, guess what? People who are not in the military can (and do) run for government office here. And, surprisingly, they manage to come up with some kind of appreciation for maintaining the defense of this country.

You know, I kind of like Clark (although e-e-e-e-e-e-e-verything you're saying here about your man is moot until he demonstrates some decisiveness and actually declares his candidacy...otherwise, you're just pissing in the wind). Personally, I don't have a need for a Caesar to ride into DC and run our country, but from what little I've seen of Clark I don't think he would be a bad choice for president, notwithstanding.

However, I just hope he and the majority of his followers don't rely on facile, fear-mongering tactics like you use here, because I for one won't be taking him seriously at all if/when he ever decides to run.

[polpilot]

47. fantaiscal hyperridulosity???????? delusioniginity psychosis????

Dean '04...

[expatriot]

17. Does supporting Clark equal this:

Having more of a choice between Coke and Pepsi than between Democrat and Republican?

[Paschall]

18. Nuclear war with international terrorists?

Are you giving us some kind of new twist on the Axle of Elvis or do you know something about international terrorists we don't?

What foreign policy experience did Clinton have?

[VoteClark]

19. Yes I do know

I know that ex-Saudi citizens are planning right now to get compact nuclear devices from North Korea, Russia, and Iran, have them shipped through Europe, into Canada, then to the United States to be placed in cities all around the United States. I think many people know that.

Only an experienced person with current connections to these nations can prevent the sale and shipment of these devices.

Clark and Richardson already have those connections to help stop or slow down the efforts. Dean will be seen as someone reluctant to use military force and still takes the side of Isreal in the I/P conflict. A very dangerous combination to be. Bush is too stupid to see or care about it.

J4Clark

[w13rd0]

24. Wow, this was a stupid thread...

...and I think you've shown your colors. "Dean didn't save lives, he worked in an abortion clinic". I think I'm just going to disregard you. Furthermore, if I used the logic of the anti-Deans, I'd now be firmly against Clark due to the attitude of his supporters. Fortunately, I'm not a reactionary. Am I suspicious that some might be intentionally divisive because that's the Rove strategy? Yep, gotta admit I am. Tell Rove I said FU...

[NicoleM]

70. Hmm. . .

So they're just going to sit around and wait to see who we elect next year before they do anything? There's no chance that even if this does come to pass, by Jan 2005 it will be too late for even General Clark to do much about it? Unless you're saying that the General has special magic powers.

[MarianJack]

25. Too Much!

This is like the mushroom cloud commercial that was used against Goldwater in '64! I think it is very unfair to Gov. Dean.:wow:

[VoteClark]

30. It worked didn't it, and it was true

Goldwater was going to use Nukes in Vietnam. That is why he lost so badly. This time it would be us.


J4Clark

[MarianJack]

39. My Point

My point is that there's a difference between Goldwaster & Dean.:crazy:

Additionally, that ad was pulled after 1 showing. Johnson got 61.1% of the vote and won 44 states & D.C. I doubt that 1 ad made the difference.

Yes, we must be more harsh and pointed in '04. Ted Rall put it perfectly a few month ago, but we can use enough TRUTH against bush jr. that going into the gutter like him won't be necessary.

By the way, I personally am not interested in attacking any other Democrat. If you're for Clark, O.K., I'm interested, too. I still think that this is unfair to Gov. Dean

[VoteClark]

44. Goldwater supported Gays in the Military

I don't agree with Goldwater. But is not as conservative as other paint him. Johnson only had to run the ad one time because the media ran it 400 times after on the news. Nobody missed it.

I think my point here is the we need to have someone that can deal with nuclear weapons being available on the open market and some people wanting to use them against us. That can't be ignored.

There are people out there planning to attack US cities right now. They make plans years ahead. They train for years and plant people. Right now there are cells in Canada.

Gary Hart, who predicted the Sept. 11th attack, said we will be attacked soon in the middle part of the United States within a year. Other evidence supports this. North Korea is selling Nuclear weapons to someone, we know this, but to who? I don't want to take that chance, do you?

J4Clark

[MarianJack]

66. Good Response!

Obviously, I don't want to take that chance. I do agree with your points made in your response. That's one of the reasons that I support Sen. Kerry and why I'm willing to hear more about Gen. Clark.

I still think that the mushroom clouds were a bit much. I have personally taken the rethuglicans "11th Commandment" and adapted it to myself. I will not speak ill of another democratic candidate. I may have to be working for his/her election 8-10 month from now. I try to respect every Democrat's viewpoint because my main goal is saying goodbye to our "great warrior" leader who doesn't know how to chew pretzels.:dunce:

I would hate to see s lose a very winnable election because we wound our own too badly in the primaries.:(

Any D over any r in '04!:bounce:

[CMT]

37. hey voteclark, I'm disappointed in you

this is just plain flame bait. As others have pointed out Dean may not be a foreign policy expert but he did know enough to be opposed to a wrong headed war in Iraq. Also, another ex-governor who many felt had no foreign policy credentials has proved to be one of the great Statesman of our time--Jimmy Carter, with a Nobel Prize behind him and successes as president including: Camp David, The Middle East Peace Treaty, Successfully negotiating the release of our hostages from Iran, The Panama Canal Treaties, Opening Formal Diplomatic relatins with China, Vigorously opposing Arpartied in South Africa, ect.

I doubt a thread like this will win Clark much good will from people who support Dean or only mildly support him--in fact, it only makes them support him more.

[VoteClark]

41. Too bad

Your argument is weak. Terrorists did not have access to nuclear weapons when Clinton or Carter was president. As much as I love Carter, a great human, and better than Ford or Nixon, he was not a good President.

Clinton did not have to deal with terrorists. Bush does and so will who ever occupies the office in the next ten or more years.

If someone was dropping bombs on your people, would you sit around and go oh well. Or would you take action against that nation.

The US supports Isreal. Isreal bombs and kills thousands of Middle Easterns, men, women, and children all the same. You don't think that out of 100 million Middle Eastern men, one is not going to try to get a nuclear bomb from a country that is willing to sell it them. What cave are you living in? Hell, if someone was dropping a bomb on Americans everyday and I had a nuclear bomb, would I drop it on those killing my people to make them stop? Hell, yes, many times if need be.

Dean could develop the skills to stop it. But we don't have time for that.

J4Clark

[deutsey]

43. Terrorists bombed the WTC under Clinton, didn't they?

McVeigh bombed the gov't building in Oklahoma.

I think the Clinton admin. (along with every admin going back to at least Carter's) had to deal with terrorism of some sort.

[ima_sinnic]

38. after reading through this whole thread

I think VoteClark is a plant. The slanted fear-mongering language, with buzz words like "ran an abortion clinic," all point to a serious disruptor. I have to agree with whoever said it above: I prefer my government to be run by a civilian, not some military honcho. My hopes are that someone ENLIGHTENED like Dean will get into office and assuage the anger of the world that is prompting attacks by terrorists. why don't you go over to freeperland if you want to beat your chest at "terrorists"? Look at what Bush's CONNECTIONS to those foreign governments got us.

[VoteClark]

42. If you don't support Dean you work for Karl Rove!

Another Dollar to Clark :)

Unable to read, and misquots. Sure sign of the 16 year olds supporting Dean. You are why the voting age is 18 or higher.


J4Clark

[polpilot]

45. Explosive Support for Dean Builds in All Major U.S. Cities!!!!!

Great post...now go hide under your mattress.

Dean '04...Explosive

[killbotfactory]

48. No.

My IQ has been lowered by reading your post. Thanks a lot.

[poskonig]

49. Oh, Clark, our **savior**!!

The idea that any Democrat is going to surrender to Islamic fundamentalism is downright stupid.

I'll add some flame to this -- Clark supporters are just risk-averse Democrats shitting in their pants. :scared: We aren't going to win with a risk-averse attitude.

[Pavlovs DiOgie]

50. I've seen the error of my ways

Thanks for setting me straight. I never actually researched any of the candidates. I chose to ally myself with Dean because I like the way he looks in a suit. Thanks for enlightening me...I'll go change my signature now to a Draft Clark sig. It's going to be awesome supporting a candidate who isn't even running yet. Your overwhelming evidence that Clark has a plan to fix the problems He-Who-Must-Not-Be-Named has made convinced me. Thanks!!

[CWebster]

53. Oh look, another Dean bashing thread!

:spank:

[Ripley]

54. God these are getting stupider and stupider.

Next I expect to see a thread titled "Dean's policies will cause the Earth to explode!"

We're all gonna die and it's HIS FAULT.

:scared:

[SGrande]

58. oh look, deanites are jumping all over other posters!

Again...and AGAIN...and AGAIN

Deanites acting vicerol, mean and picking on other people who bring up legitimate points about Chickenhawk Dean

[deutsey]

63. I've refrained from these idiotic flame wars

no matter who started them (Dean, Kerry, Clark, Fillintheblank). But this one was just asinine. I can't think of one damn Democratic candidate that should be accused of something so low as what was put forth in the original post. I woudn't have even tolerated it against Bush before 9/11 (if he didn't LIHOP, then he's pretty damn incompentent. Either way, he compromised our security).

Had this post been on the same level but directed at Kerry (or Fillintheblank), I would've defended him as well.

Fortunately, other Kerry supporters who have posted here feel the same.

[JohnKleeb]

55. Look V-Clark

I am not for Dean nor Clark but thats absurd just because someone has no foreign policy experience doesnt mean we will be screw over and also historically we elect governors over senators: FDR was one, Clinton was one, and of course theres been senators and knowing you are for Clark theres really only been a few career military officers elected. Yes I know I have a longshot but its my heart that made me choose him.

[deutsey]

64. Thank you JohnKleeb

I hope we can all follow your example...we can have debates and disagreements, but this orginal post is just a dirty, low blow. I'd be rushing to the defense of any Democratic candidate subjected to this nonsense.

[LuminousX]

59. How many anti-Dean threads will you post?

At least post a topic with substance.

The people who support Dean are going to support Dean no matter what. Call them idiots, call them whatever you want, but at the end of the day, if Dean doesn't win you will need the Dean supporters help. Do you want to create such a vile environment that they choose to stay home instead?

I guess you do.

[AmyStrange]

60. Dean and his supporters also kill puppies

interesting how people who complain about other people bashing also do the same thing they complain about other people doing. It seems to me they aren't really complaining as much as making excuses for their own behavior.

I like Clark, but I just like Dean a whole lot more. Do you think Clark will make his decision this month? He said he would make up his mind by the end of this August? THis is his best opportunity in my opinion.






Dave (AmyStrange.com)
http://www.SeattleActivist.org/MyLifeStory.html
DU (slang/ folklore) Glossary (Dictionary): http://DUG.SeattleActivist.org/
Index of WMD Articles: http://WMD.SeattleActivist.org/

Here are some excellent resources and timelines of quotes and interviews and newspaper article quotes documenting the different things Bush and Co did and said for the last two plus years concerning the war in Iraq and WMDs (and other fun things) from the Howard Dean Website---even if you're not a Dean Fan, these are still excellent resources:

The Bush Administration And WMDs: Then And Now:
http://www.deanforamerica.com/site/PageServer?pagename=bush_wmd_summary

Niger-Uranium Timeline:
http://www.deanforamerica.com/site/PageServer?pagename=niger_timeline

Bush and WMD: Assumptions vs. Reality:
http://www.deanforamerica.com/site/DocServer/TikTok_-_Bush_-_Iraq_-_Side_by_Side.pdf?docID=781

The Bush Administration and WMD: What did they know and when did they know it?:
http://www.deanforamerica.com/site/DocServer/TikTok_-_Administration_-_Iraq_Deception.pdf?docID=762

[Rose Siding]

65. Yeah, but we stun 'em first.

:P

This is a first. Never before has anyone on DU tried to convince me to be :scared: of terrorists.

[acerbic]

68. How to be a happy freeper at DU:

It's perfectly ok to repeatedly attack any of the Democratic candidates using even the most typically freeperish idiocy, especially if you occasionally throw in disclaimers, pretending to support somebody, anybody, other than Dumbya... but that's enough: pick "your candidate" and unleash all the freepery on everyone else.

Not saying that anyone here is doing just that, but that's how it could be done.

[4dsc]

69. This is stupid...

EOM...

[GOPBasher]

71. Do you really think he'd be worse than Bush?

Bush had no foreign policy experience, and he's proven to be totally unreliable in handling such issues. Yet, we're not worried that we're going to have a nuclear holocaust on his watch. Do you really think Dean would be worse than Bush?