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1776Forever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 10:37 AM
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Rick Stengel of Time Magazine Said on the CMS Edwards to declare for Clinton soon..
Edited on Sun Mar-16-08 10:40 AM by 1776Forever
Did anyone else hear that? It is hard for me to believe Edwards would do that and for what pay off?

He railed against Hillary in the past debates - what is going on?

Here's an excerpt on the debate where Edwards pounded Hillary:

DEM DEBATE: Edwards, Not Obama, Hits Clinton Hardest, Smartest
John Nichols

http://www.thenation.com/blogs/notion?pid=247313

Where Obama was unfocused and ineffectual, John Edwards landed plenty of blows. The former senator from North Carolina began by suggesting that "it's fair" to talk about essential differences between the candidates. Then he highlighted a big one. "(Clinton) says she'll stand up to George Bush," argued Edwards. "In fact, she voted to give George W. Bush the first step to war on Iran..."

Ouch! That reference to Clinton's vote in favor of the Kyl-Lieberman resolution declaring Iran's Revolutionary Guard a terrorist organization, which read an awfully lot like a signal to Bush that he has congressional support for an attack on attack Iraq, opened up a highly engaged discussion that saw several of the candidates, led by Connecticut Senator Chris Dodd -- saying in reference to Clinton's vote of five years ago to authorize Bush to attack Iraq: "What you didn't learn by 2002, you should have learned by now" -- aggressively question Clinton's judgement. It was a smart, at times intense dialogue. Kucinich even got in a call for impeaching Bush and Cheney in order to restore the balance of power between the legislative and executive branches on questions of war-making.

But Edwards owned the moment. Accusing Clinton of voting for an Iran resolution that read like it was "written literally by the neo-cons," the 2004 vice presidential nominee declared, "We need to stand up to this president. We need to make it absolutely clear that we will not let Bush, Cheney and this administration invade Iran."

Edwards was identifying himself "as the clear, sharp alternative," observed NBC commentator Domenico Montanaro. "This is wedging going on. (Edwards) might be elbowing Obama out of the way on this issue. (Obama's), albeit reasonable, but tepid answer on this, just wasn't grabbing the spotlight."

"In the competition to see who would be the sharpest Clinton attacker, Edwards won by far," said Newsweek's Howard Fineman, referring to the North Carolinian's reference to Clinton and the neo-cons.

It wasn't just a fight about Iran, however. Edwards hit hard, and effectively, on every front. After detailing the front-runner's contributions from defense contractors and other corporate interests, he said. "If people want the status quo, Senator Clinton's your candidate."

That's tough talk. Blunt talk. The sort of talk that Barack Obama seemed to suggest that he was going to deliver Tuesday night.

But it came from John Edwards, who ended the night as the candidate who had done the best job of defining himself as the alternative to Hillary Clinton.

.............

I tried to find a transcript or video but I didn't find one - if anyone can find one please post it. Here is the Chris Matthew Show link but it has last weeks video cast on it.

http://www.thechrismatthewsshow.com/index.php
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 10:38 AM
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1. Edwards' domestic proposals were as evolved as any I've seen since RFK.
My guess is if he chooses to endorse, he'll likely choose the candidate who shows the deepest allegiance to those proposals.


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pacalo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 10:50 AM
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6. Same for Kucinich, perhaps? I saw an NPR video here yesterday during which he said
he wasn't ready to make an endorsement. It says a lot that no endorsements have come from Edwards, Kucinich, Biden, or even Richardson.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 10:55 AM
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10. For me, it is a strange, off-year feel this cycle. Kucinich and Biden,
thank god, are headed for further work in the 111th Congress. I like Congress a lot better with people like that in it.

Richardson, IMO, will be our veep. I'm not seeing any significant negative to him on the ticket and instead see very strong positives.

Edwards' chief concern, I would say, is economic democracy generally and a battle to reduce/end poverty especially, and if he endorses at all, he'll endorse the candidate who most persuades him to advance that cause.

On Kucinich: I'm really thrilled to death that he whomped those jerks challenging him for the nom. They have evry right to run, of course, but I have every right to cheer when he whipped their sorry butts.
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1776Forever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 10:51 AM
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7. Barack Obama's Plan to Strengthen the Economy
http://www.barackobama.com/issues/economy/

Plan to Strengthen the Economy

“I believe that America's free market has been the engine of America's great progress. It's created a prosperity that is the envy of the world. It's led to a standard of living unmatched in history. And it has provided great rewards to the innovators and risk-takers who have made America a beacon for science, and technology, and discovery…We are all in this together. From CEOs to shareholders, from financiers to factory workers, we all have a stake in each other's success because the more Americans prosper, the more America prospers.”

— Barack Obama, New York, NY, September 17, 2007

At a Glance

* Provide Middle Class Americans Tax Relief
* Trade
* Technology, Innovation and Creating Jobs
* Labor
* Protect Homeownership and Crack Down on Mortgage Fraud
* Address Predatory Credit Card Practices
* Reform Bankruptcy Laws
* Work/Family Balance
.............

I think they both have a sound idea on this. To me it is the HRC secrecy factor that tips it to Obama.
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LakeSamish706 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 10:43 AM
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2. If Edwards endorses Hillary, then I made a huge mistake in being one of ...
his staunch supporters. If he does this, he can take a long walk off a short pier as far as I am concerned.
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Me. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 10:43 AM
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3. To Be Clear
He said that comes from Mark Halperin. This is the same Halperin who veers right and who put up a pic of Obama as a rat last week on Time.com. Now Edwards may be endorsing Clinton, I don't know, but I don't take anything as that Halperin says as gospel.
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1776Forever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 10:53 AM
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8. Thank you for the clarification. I wasn't familiar with Halperin. Perhaps Edwards will comment.
:shrug:
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Me. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 01:00 PM
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17. In Addition
Halperin himself was on 'This Week'. I didn't hear all of the round table but during the part I did see, he didn't mention it. Can anyone confirm or deny?
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stray cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 11:09 AM
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11. thanks for the insight
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enid602 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 10:43 AM
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4. bizarre
Boy, that would be something to see; Pelosi sanctified and Edwards vilified within a 24-hour period! Bizarro world.
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Saturday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 10:48 AM
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5. LOL Ain't that the truth. nt
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juajen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 10:53 AM
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9. Typical Obama supporter behavior. I don't know what the
esteemed John Edwards will do; but, if he endorsed Obama, I wouldn't come on here dissing him. That said, I would be thrilled if he endorsed our Hillary.
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Donnachaidh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 11:11 AM
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12. DON'T BELIEVE ANYTHING that hasn't come directly from JRE
BOTH sides have been playing this silly-assed "He's going to endorse my guy/gal" BULLSHIT since John suspended his campaign.

As an Edwards supporter I call BULLSHIT until John himself gets in front of a microphone and says it himself.

Personally, I DOUBT John would endorse either of these corporate puppets. They are BOTH cut from the same cloth.

Total crock. But the Obama people are JUST as guilty of trying this whispering campaign bullshit. Both sides are so desperate for his endorsement it's PATHETIC. And SAD.
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1776Forever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 11:24 AM
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13. It was said on Chris Matthews Show & I think it needed to be discussed..
Personally I hope it is NOT true and I would rather Edwards didn't endorse anyone at this time too! I have no idea if this is true or not. But when the Editor of Time Magazine goes on National Media and says it one does wonder.

:dilemma:
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stray cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 11:26 AM
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14. I saw it on Chris Matthews and was looking to see if it was being discussed
Glad it was already posted.
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Donnachaidh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 12:25 PM
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15. and everything that is reported by the print or MSM is absolutely TRUE, yes?
It's hilarious that they suddenly want to shift the spotlight back to Edwards to keep this dog and pony show going. Too bad these journalistic dirtbags did their best to IGNORE him when his campaign was in full swing.

Like I said -- TOTAL BOLLOCKS until it comes directly from JRE's mouth. It's a whispering campaign pulled out of someone's arse, to keep the readership looking for more. Whoever thought this little gem up has a future at the National Enquirer. :sarcasm:
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1776Forever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 12:37 PM
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16. Don't put words in my mouth please! I wanted to get opinions on this & got some good info.....
from someone that said -

"that comes from Mark Halperin. This is the same Halperin who veers right and who put up a pic of Obama as a rat last week on Time.com. Now Edwards may be endorsing Clinton, I don't know, but I don't take anything as that Halperin says as gospel."

OK??? We will have to see how this shakes out but I hope it is NOT true like I said!

:dilemma:
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 09:43 PM
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18. Yeah, I hope it's not true either and have
not seen any "whispers" from Obama supporters about Edwards supporting anyone. This is the second time this has come up though..remember way back before the Wisconsin primary there was to be an endorsement from Edwards?
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 10:49 PM
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19. After the way she has shamed herself and the party, it is near impossible for me to believe
Edwards would even consider endorsing her. If he does, he is certainly not the man I supported. Nuff said from me :-)
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 10:47 PM
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20. Same here.
:)
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