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deminflorida Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-03 11:57 AM
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Where does Dean stand on these issues....
Where does Gov. Dean stand on the issue of IT and Technology outsourcing? Also I noticed there is not one link on his web site to Veteran's issues...both of these are hot topics for the 2004 election. Many Retired Military veterans such as myself are fed up with the horrible job the Bush Administration has done towards veterans and want immediate change...John Kerry's site is heavly oriented towards veterans, but I also see nothing concerning IT and Technology outsourcing. Can anybody help me with this?

Also note this:

http://villagenews.weblogger.com/stories/storyReader$8877

I know link has probably been posted before, but it's an important issue and where is Gov. Dean as far as addressing it? If the Dean campaign gets hot on these issues I'm sold.

Chris.. Democrat from Florida.
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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-03 12:02 PM
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1. Dean:I am tired of having...our best jobs...shifted elsewhere in the world
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While U.S. unemployment improved in June, Dean said it’s still at a nine-year high and ignores the underemployed, which he pegged at 6 percent.

“These are people who had $50,000 good jobs and now they are making $25,000 or $30,000, and they have two of them, in some cases,” Dean said. “I am tired of having an economy where our best jobs are shifted elsewhere in the world.’’

Dean fans made up a thick portion of the crowd, often turning Dean’s 25-minute stump speech into a rally of revival proportions with interrupted calls of “amen’’ and “yes, yes.’’
...
http://www.nashuatelegraph.com/Main.asp?SectionID=25&SubSectionID=377&ArticleID=85948
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=124665&mesg_id=124665
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genius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-03 12:06 PM
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2. But he failed to take Kucinich's challenge to bring jobs back
by cancelling NAFTA and withdrawing from the W.T.O.
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w13rd0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-03 12:08 PM
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4. Meaningless Lazio challenge...
...no one was going to take that "challenge", and no one did. Kucinich has nothing to lose by issuing it.
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dean4america Donating Member (390 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-03 04:49 PM
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8. imho
the spirit of NAFTA and WTO is fine, though of late the powers that be have moved beyond that in a troubling way. I like Dean's stance on NAFTA, especially as he articulated it in the Iowa Arnold's Park forum yesterday. Simply cancelling NAFTA is the wrong thing to do.
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gully Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-03 12:22 PM
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6. Dean addressed these issues in Iowa yesterday...
Watch if C-SPAN re-airs his speech!
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w13rd0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-03 12:06 PM
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3. Actually...
...look to some of his blog entries for his position on IT, intellectual property (IT) and techjob outsourcing.
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Upfront Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-03 12:09 PM
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5. Dean Mentioned
Bush going to see some wounded troops at a veterans hosiptal and then cutting thousands of veterans off benefits the next day. He said this in a speach I heard. He was pissed about it. I am sure sure some of the Dean people hear will give you the scoop on where Dean stands on veterans. He also said he would never send American men and women to fight in a unjust war. They would be told the truth about why their asked to go, what the mission is, and when they could expect to come home. I am sold also.:-)
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MattPSU Donating Member (40 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-03 12:40 PM
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7. Veteran's Issues
His record on veterans issues is included in the civil rights section of his website.

A Record of Supporting Vermont's Veterans :)
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-..__... Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-03 05:56 PM
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9. Why confine it to IT?
What about the manufacturing and other blue collar workers? Outsourcing those jobs
has impacted many working families long before the shit rolled uphill to the higher paying
jobs. When the labor intensive jobs started going overseas, white collar (non-union) workers
didn't seem to care much because it didn't affect them. Now the chickens have come home to roost
and there's panic because now how will these 'struggling to get by' workers be able to keep up
with the payments on their Mercedes Benz's, penthouse condos and fitness spa membership.


The problem needs to be addressed for all American workers, not just one class.
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Nicholas_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-03 06:10 PM
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10. Since Dean has no record regarding this all you can do is compare
Similar things he has done in Vermont.

Deans policies put 36 percent of small family farms out of business in order to favor large Agribusiness....

He brought in major large business, putting small, family owned businesses out to pasture, so one can only suspect that Dean is not going to do what is good for the little guy, the average person, but for big business.

So one can only assume, that given his record, regardless of what he says during the campaigns, Dean is going to do what his big business inclinations have led him to do in the past.

Dean's record, however, shows just the opposite. Remember, when Dean took office there were no Wal-Marts in Vermont; there was no Home Depots; Burlington's downtown was dominated by local stores not the national chains that now rule the roost; there were 36% more small farmers in existence; there were no 100,000-hen mega-farms; and sprawl wasn't a word on the tip of everyone's tongue.

Interestingly, Dean told the Free Press last week that he wished the rest of "the country were more like Vermont." But it certainly seems Dean has been doing his best to make Vermont more like the rest of the country.

Stephanie Kaplan, a leading environmental lawyer and the former executive officer of Vermont's Environmental Board, has seen the regulatory process under Dean become so slanted against environmentalists and concerned citizens that she hardly thinks its worth putting up a fight anymore

http://www.counterpunch.org/colby02222003.html

The closest example would be Deans importing Vermonts electricity from CANADA, becaseu it was cheaper for the Vermont unitlities companies, rather than produce it in Vermont. Makes you wondewr what happened to aall of the utility workers though:

The big shots say we are all on the hook for this very long contract with Hydro Quebec. Our prudent and public spirited utility executives agreed to pay for a lot more power than we need at a price billions of dollars higher than its market value. It's enough to make a good free market capitalist throw up.

So now it's fake free market time. Why now? Actually, there are no special technical reasons to restructure the electric power business now. It's all really just a matter of corporate bookkeeping. Technically, generation could have been separated from distribution twenty or thirty years ago. Or it doesn't need to happen at all. But everybody's doing it, all over the country. It's the latest thing, so little Vermont has to jump on this bandwagon too.

You might ask, how could us dumb citizens of Vermont have made such a crummy deal with Hydro Quebec in the first place? Well, basically, we didn't. Utility executives, against the advice of their own planners, made that deal, sailed it past the Public Service Board, and signed the contract themselves. We have to pay for it, they say, because they complied with a regulatory process that sticks the public with the bill every time.

The Vermont public wasn't paying close enough attention when the power company executives shopped that turkey around like sweet honey and the promised land. But it's doubtful public pressure would have made any difference anyway. Actually there was quite a hue and cry over the environmental impacts of the gigantic James Bay project. It didn't matter. These power companies have had the political machinery wired for generations. And the same bunch, more or less, maintains its political clout today in the governor's office and the state senate, thus the billion dollar bailout.

Utility lobbyists swarmed the statehouse in record numbers on this one. But those several dozen gray eminences couldn't simply techno-talk and bully their way to victory this time. There is resistance and they are terrified that this new fashion in corporate structure will stick them with some of the costs, or, perish the thought, all of the costs for their own bad decisions. When it started looking like stockholders would be forced to pick up even part of the bill corporate execs started rumbling ominously, "If you don't give us what we want we'll go bankrupt on you."

http://together.net/~wudchuck/987_watchman_34.html

So going by Dean record, he was willing tocut Deals with the Veront utility comapines in order to inport electricity from OUTSIDE of the U.S. rather than have American power facilities produce it.

It is not an exact co-relation becasue you are not exactly exporting labor, but buying a cheaper product from Canada becasue its labor produces it more cheaply.


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