Some interesting meetup statistics

[Egnever]

not my work but I thought it was worth seeing. It gives an interesting contrast of the support these candidates are getting from the online comunity. For what its worth enjoy!

Heres the data I pulled yesterday.
BTW I am in Richmond, VA

Dean in 2004
279 members - 2 hosts
80,875 members nationally
Largest meetup by about 500% in Richmond..
Richmond has more members than some candidates have nationally.. !!!!! and
we are the 77th largest Meetup city !!

Kerry in 2004
34 members - No Host
8453 mmembers nationally
Is connected to his campaign and he is only doing marginally better than
Kucinich.. Sad really.

(Less than the total of NYC, DC and Seattle meetups combined)

Kucinich in 2004
34 memebrs - No host
7073 members nationally
Not Connected to party - Doesn’t ask if they can share info
(Less than the total of NYC, DC and Seattle meetups combined)

(Less than the total of NYC and DC meetups combined)

Clark in 2004
33 members - 1 host
6792 members nationally
The man isn't even running and he has more participation than most. Very
interesting, this meetup IS AFFLIATED with the Draft Clark 2004 campaign.
FYI Gen. Clark is my choice for VP - You listening out there in
Burlington? Dean-Clark in 2004. I say offer it to him now and run as a
ticket. But that's just me.

(Less than the total of NYC and DC meetups combined)

Edwards in 2004
8 members - No host
1164 members nationally
Not Connected to party - VERY sad considering he is from North Carolina..
This is supposed to be his turf.

(Less than the Philly meetup)

Biden in 2004
3 Member - No host
426 members nationally
Funny he has more than the following and he isnt running.

(Less than the Milwaukee meetup)

Gephardt in 2004
1 Member (me)
412 members nationally
Biden has more support nationally... !!!

(4 more than Providence, RI meetup)

Lieberman in 2004
3 Members
218 members nationally
I can hear an echo its so quiet here.

(Less than Ashville, NC meetup)

Graham in 2004
1 Member (me)
186 members nationally
I can hear an echo its so quiet here.

(Same as Worcester-Fitchburg-Leominster, MA OR Dayton, OH Meetup)

Mosely-Braun in 2004
1 Member (me)
79 members nationally

(Less than the Missoula, MT meetup)

Sharpton in 2004
3 Members - No host
75 members nationally
Richmond with 3 is the third largest city supporting him ;)

(Less than the Missoula, MT meetup)

Now the BIG FUNNY !!!

Bush in 2004
6 members - No host
884 members nationally !!!

(Less than the Baltimore Meetup)

TOO FUNNY.. !!!!!!!!

Now the real kicker... Add ALL the Democrats Other than Dean, AND Bush You
get 25,762

Which is the total of the top 15 cities:

New York City (4336 members)
Washington, DC (2849)
Seattle, WA (2148)
Boston, MA (1871)
Chicago, IL (1841)
San Francisco, CA (1817)
Portland, OR (1625)
Austin, TX (1483)
Oakland-Alameda, CA (1471)
Minneapolis, MN (1371)
Philadelphia, PA (1204)
Burlington, VT (1187)
Atlanta, GA (1148)
Hollywood-East LA (1063)
Santa Monica-West LA (1034)

Total: 26,488

[msanger]

1. I'm a dean supporter but....

Outside of how showing bad BUSH is doing, just what is the point of your post?

Rubbing other DUer's nose in something?

I am amazed how easily people do Karl Rove's work for him. Sow seeds of dissension early and often, and it will just one or two dirty tricks to really slow down our nominee.

Or was the point of your posting to encourage other people to work harder. that must of have been it. my mistake. sorry.

[Egnever]

4. Excuse me?

I personally think that meetups for candidates are one of the most inspired things in this campaign. I dont know if you have been to one or not for any candidate but the energy and sense of being able to actually contribute goes a long way.

My point here is to show not only how deans support is growing but also to show how others are ignoring/not using this great tool. I personally want someone in office that has an ear to the ground and is open to new ideas.

If pointing out the fact that some of the campaigns dont get it. is rubbing peoples noses in it so be it!

Thier noses need to be rubbed in it. The candidates not the suporters. Support who you like I couldnt care less but dont just say it get out and do it!

I loose all respect for any candidate who doesnt use all the tools available to them. This stuff isnt top secret and any campaign not even trying to reach out to the supporters they have out there dying to help them by not connecting thier campaign to that support shows them for the posturing say anything to get elected politicians they are.

[Nicholas_J]

2. Which must indicate

The absolute irrelevance of meetup.

Bush, with his low,low ratings, still has a better statinstical chance of beating every Democratic candidate. Dean has the lowest chance of all of the first rung candidates of beating Bush.

Corelation, the better the meetup statistics, the less likely you are to win the presidenntial election.

And yet Kerry's figures on Meetup have had the fastst percentage growth of any candidate on meetup.
A month ago they were one thousand total. a week ago 5000, you have them over 8000 today. That is four times Deans rate and Dean started kar earlier.

Two months ago Kerrys total internet support was less than 7,000. He has reached the point of coming nealy level to Dean in less than eight weeks. If he comtinues at the same rate of growth, and Dean conmtinue at his same rate of grothe, Kerry will have 6 times the Internet presence of Dean by the time of the primaries. Keery rate of increaase on the Internet is not approaching 100,000 per month.

[rcglenn]

5. Good One....

Too bad to forgot to mention, Kerry's name recognition with the American voters is impressive (due to his national stature for many years). However, Dean is not that far behind the Kerry numbers (vs. Bush) and Dean is known be about 1/2 the amount of people that Dean is known by. Too bad Old Johnnie Boy is stuck in the polls with no room to move up. Ho Dean has only one way to move, and that is UP UP UP!!!

I am honestly very frightened at the aspect of nominating such an aloof insider. The American people want someone who can relate to them, and a $700 million dollar Senator from Mass. is going to have much more trouble doing that. Kerry has shown ambivalence and lukewarm leadership so far in this campaign. (NOTICE: @ 5 months before the Iowa caucuses, a lot can change) My generation and I NEED a reason to vote, and unfortunately only Howard Dean has given us a reason.


VOTE FOR A REAL DEMOCRAT! VOTE DEAN IN 2004!!!!

[blm]

6. Kerry's name recognition is not that high.

Only political junkies and DNC members know him.

In fact, Dean's name recognition in South Carolina is 45% and Kerry's is 41%. Dean has had most of the national press over the last 5 months, of course he will be doing better in the polls.

[DrFunkenstein]

17. Did you really call him "Ho Dean?"

Actually, Dean's parents were insanely wealthy Wall Street Manhattanites. And you shouldn't get so jealous over 18 years of experience in the Foreign Relations committee, of heading the subcommittee on Terrorism and Drug Trade, of successfully taking on Ollie North (who would be in jail now if the Dems didn't pull the plug on Kerry).

I mean, I could call Dean the gruff mayor of Nowheresville, but what would be the point? As for Dean moving up, how many more internet geeks do you think the anti-war movement has left? And if you don't have a reason to vote after the 2000 elections, that may be more your problem than ours.

A little more discretion might suit you better until you get a better feel for the forum.

[Nazgul35]

12. too bad...

Nick wouldn't know a correlation if it hit him on the head....

Any polling conducted at this point in the campaign is nothing more then name recognition....for any candidate...what the polls do show is how much a candidate is impacting joe and jane six pack....

For proof, look at how the latest Gallup poll showed Kerry dropping slightly...something to be expected as he will not begin campaigning full time until September (something his own supporters say)...

Dean's rise in the national polls is the result of the last two weeks of media coverage....

What is being ignored about the meetups ( and if you take five seconds to think about it...you'll understand why Nick is so scared about Dean), is that at the last Dean meetup, we had several Democratic Party officials show up to get volunteers...which Dean supporters were glad to sign....

see, we're in it for the long haul...time after time i've seen Dean supporters say they will not just vote for...but work for the campaign of whatever Dem wins the nomination....and politicians recognize this....Dems running for local, state and federal offices are going to be able to tap into this group that Dean has organized...and they are going to start coming out in favor of him...

So I would suggest that you contact your campaigns and get them to organize the party faithful for the Nov. elections...we need to have a high turnout so they don't have a chance to steal the elections...

[MercutioATC]

13. The absence of logic in your posts never fails to amaze me, Nick...

It's like you'll take ANY chance to attack Dean, regardless of whether it makes any sense. An example:

"Corelation (sic), the better the meetup statistics, the less likely you are to win the presidenntial election."

You REALLY believe that this is true? Might other issues such as name recognition or war chests carried over from other campaigns have something to do with current polling numbers? To state that high MeetUp numbers equate to low popular support is a completely illogical statement.

You've drawn some pretty strange parallels before, but this one is a stretch, even for you.

[arcos]

15. a lie, again.

4 times Dean's growth?

Since last Meetup, 3 days ago, Dean Meetup has 2000 new members. And it seems that Kerry has grown by 3000 in the last week.

That is hardly 4 times Dean's growth.

[helleborient]

3. Something About Meetup...

It is interesting that once you sign in to see what another candidate is doing locally...meetup counts you as a supporter.

I was curious about where DK's supporters were meeting locally, so had to sign on to the DK Meetup to find out. I'm now counted as a DK supporter on Meetups. I wonder how many Kerry supporters are counted that way and may actually be Dean, DK, Edwards, or other supporters in actuality.

A lot of us are probably cross-counted in many places.

[JohnKleeb]

7. Well Kucinich is doing better than I thought

Rather hard to get publicity when the media has been talking about Dean just, dont flame for that, but I envision that and the kinda of people who are supporters of DK generally dont pack a lot of cash imo, Ive heard the Dean movement is mostly middle class. This isnt flaming Dean or anything just my observation. I just think if DK got more press, he would be higher up.

[Egnever]

8. More press

would help anyone for sure. I am not sure why Kucinich doesnt get more press.

As far as Deans support goes I dont know what the actual demographics are. I do know that the average donation to deans campaign in the last quarter was under $100 I suppose that indicates middle class?

Do you know what the demographics are on Kucinich?

[JohnKleeb]

9. dont know

That question has been bothering the living hell out of me, its just tough to get supporters if Dean's being portrayed as the lone liberal anti war by the press, it just blows my mind away really why Dennis doesnt get more press, he had the courage to vote against the patriot act, he plans to introduce legislation to repeal soon, he was on the frontline asking people to vote against the war resolution, he really is a man of great courage, and I think he needs to be acknowledged for the great he has done.

[Egnever]

10. heh kind of funny

I dont understand why the press keeps calling Dean liberal. anti war yes liberal- barely.

I agree with you on Denis though he has had the courage to stand up many times on the right side of the issue. I think alot of the reason he doesnt get as much press on it is because he is in the house where there are a lot more voices weighing in. Who knows though.

[JohnKleeb]

11. why thanks

Seriously the press needs to shut up about Howard "McGovern" Dean. I think we sure could use the press you guys have gotten, I know there are a lot of other voices but hes been on the frontline, to give you a point of this, I wanted to see him in Baltimore in June, he was fighting to preserve medicare that night. If people think it is just issues that has us Kucinichites in full support of DK it is not, I for one love his work ethic, one that you see in the real world but is not discussed, he does his job whenever he can.

[janx]

16. I agree that Kucinich needs more press.

And the "ultra-left" label of Dean seems to be some kind of a scare tactic being used by the DLC to discredit Dean--and Kucinich, by extension and implication.

[lkinsale]

14. Graham just posted a meetup link yesterday

And in 24 hours his meetup total has gone from 128 to 386.

Meetup is not really very well known yet, and the candidate totals are completely a result of whether the campaign has utilized and publicized a link yet. In the future, when the whole concept is broadly known and understood, they may give a better indication of actual support.

Or they may not. Who knows. *smile.*

So don't worry about the echo, Egnever! We're on the way!

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[DrFunkenstein]

18. Is Dean Possibly Riding The Internet-Driven Anti-war Movement?

Him being the "anti-war" candidate and all. Not to knock his considerable accomplishments in the past few months, but this seems to make sense to me.

Kerry, on the other hand, would not benefit much from the anti-war activist community on the internet, so I imagine that Kerry supporters are hearing about the whole phenomenon from second-hand sources. And, honestly, I think Kerry would appeal to more Middle Americans - the kind that supported the war, but thought Bush did a lousy job of it. These are more the network news type, rather than those that get news from the Guardian on the web.