Kerry did BUY DNC Small Donor List

[rcglenn]

Back in June, realizing Dean was recieving a multitude of donations in smaller amounts....the Kerry campaign spent $1 million + in purchasing the list of donors who have donated less than $250 to the DNC over the years. Now I don't know if he put all of the e-mails from that list into his 199,000.....but it does seem fishy.

I hate how politics work, and we all bad mouth each other's candidate because we feel so strongly about certain people. I am only 20 years old, and I have really fallen in love with the Dean for America campaign. I really do hate putting down other candidacies, but I feel sooooo strongly about one that I am determined for him to win. I hope anyone who is interested in learning more about Dean or interested in signing up for his e-mail list at http://www.deanforamerica.com . Join the fastest growing political campaign on the net!

DEAN 2004~~~~~

[Rose Siding]

1. Do you have a link on the Kerry info?

I have only seen it opined and not supported.

[hedda_foil]

3. It's at his website.

http://www.johnkerry.com/site/PageServer

And with many years of political experience behind me, I tend to agree with your take on it.

[liberalnurse]

5. Kerry looks like he's trying to be Dean- Lite....

I don't think it's going to work well. You can post contact numbers but are they really just that, a contact. Substance will show at the end of the quarter fundraisng ...if they are honest about it like Dean is....I don't know anyone who is a small donor who is giving to Kerry. No one has apprached me or my co-workers at the hospital about getting active with Kerry. Our local democratic party supports Kerry, for now anyways....but no small potatoes....

[blm]

10. Honest about it like Dean is?

If the Dean campaign was honest you'd admit that a bunch of Republican activists have donated to Dean's online fundraising campaign. We first heard about it months ago, and now the Repubs are even bragging about it to the press.

[JohnKleeb]

11. that is true.

been hearing about that and it startles me and I am not even for him.

[killbotfactory]

12. If they want to contribute money to their funeral fund...

Let them.

[blm]

13. Let the Republicans have at our primary...

same old, same old...this election they've chosen Dean. Big surprise.

[killbotfactory]

14. And they keep saying Lieberman has the best chance against Bush.

Silly republicans.

[MercutioATC]

15. What percentage of Dean contributors do you think are Repubs, BLM?

Just curious. You and Nick keep making the statement like some sort of accusation...as if it's a significant number.

I think it's a lot more reasonable to view it as whis it is, a mixture of 1) freepers being cute and 2) people who agree with Dean who happen to be liberal Republicans. Either way, they make up a very small part of the contributors as a whole.

You have a different slant on it?

[blm]

16. Same one posted many months ago here at DU

from the college Dem in NH who warned us that college Repubs were signing on as activists for Dean in NH. Dean supporters then proceeeded to call him delusional and eventually chased him off the board. Now, we hear that Repubs are even bragging in the press that they're donating to Dean.

The press promotes him for months while practically ignoring the other candidates, and now Tweety reports tonight that Dean will be getting a press plane to cover him. FIVE MONTHS before the primary. What corporate media masters decided that one?

Nothing to see here.

[ryharrin]

7. His site looks pretty much identical to blogforamerica.com

Except for the blog part. The number of supporters list on the right, along with a meetup link, etc. And people accuse Dean of copying Kerry.

[Feanorcurufinwe]

2. You have to sign up to be added to that number

You have to actively sign up at the website to be added to that number. It is not just a list of email addresses.

I hate to see such cynicism at the age of 20, I'm 42 and I think of myself as a cynic, but I feel like a starry-eyed idealist after reading your post. You've gotten the wrong idea about how politics work. No wonder you hate it. It's not about spreading insinuations about the opposition. It's about like-minded people joining together to stand up for the things they believe in. Like the Democrats who support any of the candidates or haven't even made up their minds yet.

[George_Bonanza]

17. I think you're right, Feanor

You have to create your account at the website to be included in that number, and you can only do that voluntarily.

[liberalnurse]

4. I'm glad to see you onboard with

the Dean Machine. I have been active with grassroot democrats all my life. My father took me to see JFK at age 4. I've been hooked ever since. Dean is someone who wants the job as President verse someone who may just want the position.

[blm]

6. How do you feel about push-polling?

Push-polling is one of the worst tactics in politics, yet, I rarely hear any Dean supporter who will scold Dean and his campaign for using it in Iowa against Gephardt, Edwards and Kerry.

For those who don't understand what push-polling is - Conducting a poll that reinforces a perceived negative of your opponent or his positions.

Anyone want to find out how the Dean campaign got hold of all those Democratic voters' home phone numbers?

[ryharrin]

8. I still don't understand, could you give an example?

And an instance of when the Dean campaign did it?

[blm]

9. From US News

archived now, but available for purchase..


"First phone attack

Straight-talking Democratic presidential candidate Howard Dean is testing his attack message in Iowa. Political operatives say Dean's phone polling is probing for weaknesses in support for Sens. John Edwards and John Kerry and Rep. Dick Gephardt. For rookie pol Edwards, it's about experience. For Gephardt, it's his alliance with Bush on key issues. Questions about Kerry test Iowans' reaction to his vote backing the war in Iraq."

http://www.usnews.com/usnews/issue/archive/030512/12whisplead.php

[sandnsea]

18. Let's think this through

Kerry bought a list of under $250 doners and there was only 200,000 on that list???? That doesn't even make sense on its face.

And he paid a million dollars for it, meaning $5 per name??? Email lists are MUCH cheaper than that. Conversion just isn't that good.

You can call him whatever you want for getting into the internet thing late and such and bla, but this particular claim seems like a real reach.

[blm]

19. It also doesn't square with the fact that

you have to register yourself with a password and other info on his site. Something the DNC does not supply...heheh.

This is a coordinated smear, as usual. Over thirty years from Nixon on Kerry handles the smears and comes out ahead. Dean supporters are gnats compared to the Nixon, Bush, CIA crowd that Kerry has faced down.

[indigo32]

20. I got unsolicited mail from him today

from his fundraising efforts,even though I've never been to his site. Not that I mind. I'm not gonna tear down any candidate, I just don't see the point, especially if they may be the potential nominee. But my money is going to Dean.

[Feanorcurufinwe]

22. Let's see it.

Let's see it. Why don't you post it, including the SMTP headers.

Of course, whether they are sending unsolicited mail or not, is not evidence that they used some of the million addresses they bought in coming up with their 200,000+ figure.

[indigo32]

23. Just to satisfy your request

Hello I never said it was evidece he was using those names in his figures. In fact I specifically said it didn't bother me. That's life.


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[Feanorcurufinwe]

24. I understand that

I understand that you never said he was using that list to come up with his figures or that it bothered you. I was just curious because I HAVE signed up at his website and I have not recieved any mail like that. Of course in the signup process they probably ask if you want to get mail and I probably checked no.

I'm not in favor of this fundraising method but I don't see anyone asking me for campaign advice lol

[DrFunkenstein]

21. Kerry Had A Website First, Dean Is A Copycat

This is the most ridiculous argument I've heard yet (not true, this whas nothing on the Skull & Bones knuckleheads). This goes right along the lines that Dean was against the rush to war, so Kerry should keep his trap shut and focus on being a Massachusetts liberal.

Buying mailing lists is standard practice in elections. I'm not sure why you feel this is any different. Secondly, the whole internet thing was NOT Dean's brainchild or even Joe Trippi's. It was a staffer's. It just happened to be a great idea.

And if you are going to beat Bush's gazillions in donations, you need to get to supporters by any means necessary.

[George_Bonanza]

25. Unsubstantiated claim

I think every candidate buys email addresses. As I said earlier, the ACLU sends me newsletters even before I knew who they were! And they're a decent organization, right? It's not an immoral thing to do. And if you're bashing Kerry for buying lists, then how did Dean find out the addresses in NH that his Iowa supporters sent mail to? And I'm sure many of you have gotten emails from a whole range of candidates.

On the Kerry blog, which I'm a part of now, some Dean troll accused Kerry's website of being too lax on membership, that false information in the fill-out form translated into a legit account. So what? Some guy tried it out on the Dean site, and it worked there too. What's the point of this argument? Not to mention a few of the trolls are claiming Kerry's desperately copying Dean. Of course, many informed loggers told those people that Dean neither was the first to use blogs, nor did he invent them. There are many unofficial blogs on the internet, for Kerry and others.