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AnAmerican Donating Member (769 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-10-03 04:03 PM
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Kucinich going after the BFEE....again
"I'll be appealing to the basic courage of the American people," Kucinich said. "This administration is based on fear. They're totally manipulating the people of America."

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"This election will be based on what happens on America's campuses," Kucinich said Saturday. "To rouse America to the cause of peace. Principal among that is eliminating the waste in the Pentagon and the programs that are preparing us for World War III."

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"It's about challenging the underlying assumption that war is inevitable."

Full text at http://www.statesman.com/metrostate/content/auto/epaper/editions/today/metro_state_f353de6c0662919600cd.html
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JohnKleeb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-10-03 04:06 PM
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1. Go Dennis
This is why I support the guy. He's been fighting Bush for a while, remember his prayer for America, IIRC he also joined Cythina McKinney in his questioning of Bush having knowledge about 9/11, I just remember seeing the name here. Dennis, you speak from the heart and soul, keep at it and we will enjoy having you as president.
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sasquatch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-10-03 04:09 PM
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2. Dennis kicks Bush Crime Family ass
their criminal asses don't stand a chance in a debate agianst him.
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Mairead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-10-03 04:11 PM
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3. He should be strongly pointing out that SmirkCo's militarist policies
are making us LESS safe rather than more. Nobody is attacking the non-imperialist countries.
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JackieO Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-10-03 05:03 PM
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4. How I long to see DK confront the dirty little shrub...
...face to face.

There won't be any bush left when he's done.
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genius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-10-03 11:17 PM
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5. Go Dennis
He's not afraid of Bush or anyone. We need him.
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Egnever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-10-03 11:21 PM
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6. WTG Denis!
Now if we could just get kerry joe and the gep on board we might just get somewhere.
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Desertrose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-03 12:16 AM
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7. I think Dennis has pulled out all the stops....
and is going after BFEE all the way....

I for one, appreciate greatly the way he is taking big risks -speaking out to get the attention turned onto Bush's lies & failures...
and offering us the alternative of peace....

Go Dennis! You are saying what so many of us want to say to the little Texas shrub!!

Peace
DR
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jdspatriot Donating Member (5 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-03 01:19 AM
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8. I love Kucinich, but I'm still supporting Dean - here's why
The Progressive Case for Dean
By Nico Pitney

I passionately supported the Greens in 2000 and 2002. I traveled 125 miles to see Dennis Kucinich speak when he came to Los Angeles in May, and had the pleasure of introducing him to a crowd of several hundred when he visited Santa Barbara recently. Kucinich is a guiding light in Congress and, of the nine Democratic presidential contenders, his views most closely mirror my own.

Yet I won't be voting for Kucinich in the Democratic primaries, nor will I vote Green in the general elections. My support will go to Howard Dean.

Yes, I've read the unfavorable commentaries on Howard Dean by writers whose opinions I greatly respect, like Norman Solomon and Alexander Cockburn. And yes, I know that I disagree with some critical components of Dean's platform. Progressives should be well aware that they're going to disagree on a range of issues with every individual who has a chance at being in the White House two years from now. Our choice is not between Howard Dean and the-even-better-candidate-who-has-a-shot-at-winning-the-Democratic-nomination-and-defeating-George-Bush; that other candidate doesn't exist. Neither Kucinich nor Al Sharpton nor Carol Moseley Braun nor any Green will be President. Progressives should incorporate these realities into their electoral strategy, however disappointing they may be.

In a recent column, Norman Solomon criticizes "liberal Democrats routinely sacrifice principles and idealism in the name of electoral strategy," and then argues that Greens are practicing the reverse strategy - "principled idealism" without a coherent electoral strategy. But in the same column he remarks, "Few present-day Green Party leaders seem willing to urge that Greens forego the blandishments of a presidential campaign. The increased attention - including media coverage - for the party is too compelling to pass up." If this latter analysis is accurate, the impetus to run a Green presidential candidate has come not from principled idealism but a rather inconsiderate self-indulgence.

In any case, the role of ideals in the voting booth is hazy. Voting Green isn't necessarily the most effective way to achieve Green policies. More importantly, supporting and voting for Democratic candidates is in no way a personal affirmation of the Democratic Party platform. It is, in part, a recognition of Duverger's Law - one of the few reliable "laws" in the social sciences - which states that American-style, winner-take-all, plurality voting systems produce political structures intractably dominated by two parties. Moreover, it is a recognition that the Democratic Party is simply one network among many (albeit an incredibly powerful one) through which those seeking fundamental political change in the United States can act. Progressives ought to engage the Democratic Party in the same way that we engage any powerful institution; we should creatively test the limits of reform and attempt to produce change that will assist us in our own wider struggles.

The goal of progressives in the coming months, then, should be to continue what we're doing now - organizing, developing alternative social, economic, and environmental programs, and working to raise the national profile of our allies in the public sphere - while supporting Howard Dean and helping him win the primary and general elections. We have to keep close in mind what our country and our world will look like if George W. Bush's administration captures another term and can carry out its agenda without being restrained by reelection considerations. In what will likely be the most divisive and bitterly contested presidential election in decades, let's not use our precious energy and resources on candidates with no chance of defeating Bush. Rather, let's make sure to elect a candidate who, like Dean, at least supports publicly financed elections, instant run-off voting, and a constitutional amendment declaring that political contributions are not free speech, so that we directly strike at the structural stultification of our electoral system that forces us to limit our choices in the first place.

More here: http://deandefense.org/archives/000596.html
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Mairead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-03 04:29 AM
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9. You've posted this in 2 DK threads so far...is this a pattern emerging?
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AnAmerican Donating Member (769 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-03 05:47 AM
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10. Dennis is still the one
"Rather, let's make sure to elect a candidate who, like Dean, at least supports publicly financed elections, instant run-off voting, and a constitutional amendment declaring that political contributions are not free speech, so that we directly strike at the structural stultification of our electoral system that forces us to limit our choices in the first place."

Substitute Dennis for Dean in the above paragraph and it still reads true.

And furthermore Dennis is more progressive than Dean in numerous other areas. So why not vote for the whole enchilada, not a just a half?

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Desertrose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-03 12:56 PM
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11. I am soo tired of "pronouncements"..from a Dean website no less?
you wasted space twice, with this article jdspatriot...

Gee, a praiseHoward Dean and slam the Greens/progressives writeup...one person's opinion...and wow, it was printed in a Deandefense website???
well alrighty then...I can sure tell you do love Dennis.

...and oh yeah, you can count on me to take your opinion to heart....NOT.

Peace anyway :)
DR
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genius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-03 01:06 PM
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12. Kucinich is the candidate with the best chance of winning.
The nice thing about Dennis is that he really is a uniter. He has brought back people who left the party long ago. We saw last Novemenber what a Dean type campaign will do for the Democrats. It's time we picked a winner and stopped picking Republicans to run for our party.


I know people who have never failed to vote Democrat who will vote for anyone but Dean in the general election. If the Democrats put up a Democratic version of Tricky Dick, I will work on taking back Congress. I'll write in one of my more favorite Democrats. I will not vote for a guy who will give my party a bad name.
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