During Deans tenure as Governor

[Nicholas_J]

Vermont dropped from being the 2nd best place in the nation to raise a child to 10th.

Vermont (VT)

10th 1998
2nd 1997
2nd 1996
4th 1995


http://www.sover.net/~auc/beststat.htm

BIG drop in 4 years

[Kolesar]

1. All those kids in the plains states want to get a good education

so that they have a ticket out of town!
Edit: I have not been following your tete-a-tete, N-J. Who do you support?
Double no-secret edit: You must get back and revist these threads.

[Kolesar]

30. The "ignore" button makes the Poli/Campaigns forum easier to look at

Of course, once I put it on, I cannot see this thread!

Edit: btw, Dean will be at Cleveland Public Square on Saturday at 5pm!

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

2. Uncle!

I'm convinced.

[chaumont58]

3. The anti-Dean folks are getting desparate

More arcane stats, please.

[pansypoo53219]

4. and

I am sick of kids anyways. spoiled brats.

[arcos]

5. I'm writing Dean...

and asking him to drop out and endorse Kerry because of this.

:eyes:

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

6. I'll pitch in for the stamp.

[killbotfactory]

7. It was his pro-child homicide stance that did it.

You just can't come out in favor of killing innocent children, nowadays.

[ryharrin]

14. that and banning cute puppies and kittens.

Who wants to raise kids in a socialistic state like that?

[tsipple]

8. Got 1999, 2000, and 2001 Figures?

Dean was governor of Vermont until early 2001.

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

9. That might fuck things up.

Go with it, tsipple. Go with it.

[tsipple]

36. Oh, I forgot...

Vermont's history ended on December 31, 1998. :-)

("Laughably sad," wouldn't you say, RUMMYisFROSTED? :-) Some really hard hitting opposition research here. :-))

[dofus]

10. The difference between

number one and number 10 on that list is probably very little. It would be interesting to see just how the factors were quantified, and what kind of scores resulted. I bet you'd actually find the scores naturally fall into about five groups. Maybe four, maybe six, but the clusters are the important divisions.

[killbotfactory]

11. 1999

Back up to fourth...

Maine
Massachusetts
Connecticut
Vermont
New Hampshire
North Dakota
Maryland
Kansas
Wisconsin
Iowa

http://www.govspot.com/lists/statesforkids.htm

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

13. You're nothing but a fact whore, kbf.

Shame on you.

[RevolutionStartsNow]

16. Man, this was too easy

Pretty funny how Nick reported 1998, when VT was 10th, but not 1999, when they were back up to 4th again. Oops.

[arcos]

21. Nicholas should be REALLY ashamed of himself...

His constant lying is getting ridiculous.

[RevolutionStartsNow]

22. A guy needs his hobbies, I suppose...(nt)

[DemBones DemBones]

23. Have you proven that his post is not factual? All I see is

people bitching because they don't want to accept any of the inconvenient facts about Dean's tenure as governor.

It's not Nicholas J's fault that Vermont's ranking fell during Dean's watch. You sound like a wingnut trashing someone for pointing out the economy has tanked on Dubya's watch.

[RevolutionStartsNow]

24. Um...

Yes his post was factual but incomplete. VT fell in the ranking in 1998 but was back up to #4 in 1999, while Dean was still Governor. His information wasn't incorrect, just predictably slanted against Dean by being incomplete. And in any case, falling to #10 is not so bad; I would love to have my state be in the top 10 in this ranking.

[dsc]

26. It is just as honest

as when Bush left out his estate tax when he calculated who did and didn't benefit from tax cuts. If you think that Nick did what honest then I wonder if you know the meaning of the word.

[arcos]

28. As others said...

Nicholas J's post is accurate. It is misleading, however, since the state went back up to #4 while Dean was STILL governor.

So yes, he is being dishonest.

[dorktv]

12. Living in a state where we are consistantly on the

bottom, who cares who is in the top ten?

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

15. That sucks.

Perspective sucks.

Good luck, dtv.

[dorktv]

17. Well we got a good governor who forced spending on

K-12 at least so we might make it out of the bottom 10. :)

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

18. Hooray!

Maybe the kids will have a shot.

[dorktv]

19. No they stopped the "Shot the Little Bastards" program.

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

20. Can't win 'em all.

[Rose Siding]

25. More shocking stats here!

Health Care 96% of Vermont’s children have health care coverage thanks in part to Governor Dean’s Dr. Dynasaur program, and an additional 3% are eligible for coverage.

Success By Six As a doctor, Governor Dean has placed a strong emphasis on early childhood prevention and health care, which is why 89% of pregnant Vermont women enter prenatal care in the first trimester of pregnancy. In Vermont, 91% of families with a birth received a community visit, and those parents who wanted assistance and support received it.

Governor Dean has expanded children and pregnant women’s access to health care. Currently 58,903 children are covered under the program. Dr. Dynasaur covers children up to the age of 18 within families up to 300% of the Federal Poverty Line.

Child Abuse During Governor Dean’s tenure, Vermont was the first state to institute a statewide protocol for abuse investigations. In return, Vermont saw a 45% decline in physical and sexual abuse of children. This included a 64% decline in physical abuse victims ages 0-3 and a 43% decline in physical abuse victims ages 0-6.

Child Sexual Abuse 84% decline in sexual abuse victims ages 0-3 and 70% decline in sexual abuse victims ages 0-6.

Immunization 81.1% of children are fully immunized by age 2 and 97% by the time they start kindergarten, which makes Vermont second in the nation in child immunizations.

http://www.deanforamerica.com/site/PageServer?pagename=policy_record_health

Also, teen pregnancy rates dropped 49%.

Sorry about all the FACTS. I couldn't resist :-)

[Feanorcurufinwe]

27. Could you mellow out on the boldface next time? thanks

[tsipple]

37. My Sister-in-Law Getting Terrific Prenatal Care

Vermont really focuses on children's issues at the state level, and it's very impressive.

[genius]

29. Progress

I'm sure the country will make similar slides under him.

[MercutioATC]

31. genius, do you READ the thread before posting?

We've already established that in 1999, Vermont returned to 4th place (a fact which Nick conveniently left out). There WAS no "slide".

Wasn't it you who said in another post that Dean supporters ignored facts? Look in the mirror for once, genius.

[tedoll78]

32. HA-HA!

You've been nailed once again. This is funny!

[lastliberalintexas]

33. In honor of you Nick

I have upped my Drinking Game/Eats Puppies contributions to Dean to $5 for every thread or post from you. It remains at only $1 for others. I hope you appreciate the amount of (monetary) support you will be generating for Dean. Thank you for your support.

[LuminousX]

34. Or the other states had a big increase...

Always two ways to look at statistics. Also you small window (4 years) doesn't show any trends. There could be an anomalous year in 1998. Vermont is a small state and could be affected by a low number of graduates or so many other causes.

This is just a pathetic attack with no backing. Vaporassault.

[peaceandjustice]

35. where was Mass. during Kerry's term as Lt. governor?

If you want to support Kerry that's fine. I'd love to hear about his record. But for right now I think I should vote for Dean because he managed to keep Vermont in the top quintile for states in which to raise a child. That is an impressive feat compared to Bush and Texas.