Does the Vermont News Bureau have a website?

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or even exist? Trying to track down the story about Dean wanting to appoint judges that "will quickly convict guilty criminals" I have searched in vain for a transcript. I have an email in to the author of the police state piece and will see how that works.

But after doing that I figured why not contact the quoted source (Vermont News Bureau). I typed it into both google and msn search engines and got a bunch of links but no website for them. So does anyone have an addy for these people?

[VermontDem2004]

1. I don't know what a News Bureau is

but there is a Burlington Free Press

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2. Every time I have seen the quote

it is attributed to the Vermont News Bureau (specifically an interview with them). I will try your link but it is unlikely they have old enough items on line.

[dajabr]

3. Try this for "older" stories...

Poke around here: http://www.rutlandherald.com/election2000/editorials.html

Damn, while I was there I found this heartbreaker:

Dean tries to transcend civil unions
By TRACY SCHMALER

Vermont Press Bureau

Standing before a roomful of nursing home residents on a recent rainy afternoon, Gov. Howard Dean was ready for the question.

He had just given a brief address outlining some of his accomplishments over the last nine years and pledged to make further strides if re-elected, particularly for the elderly who are finding it difficult to pay for prescription drugs.

He did not mention the civil unions law once during his speech. But when he opened the floor to questions, the 51-year-old governor had no way of knowing if any of the 30 or so people in the cafeteria at Rowan Court in Barre would raise the issue that has dogged his re-election bid.

At first no hands went up. Some residents, several of whom were confined to wheelchairs, stared blankly past Dean out the window. Others appeared to be sleeping. After an awkward silence a hand went up.

"I'm not happy here," said one woman, her voice cracking with emotion. "They get mad at me for every little thing."

Dean nodded empathetically and promised to talk with the management.

Another hand shot up in the back of the room. "Every night I say a prayer for you, and you're a good governor," a petite, dark-haired woman proudly declared. A few minutes later, her hand went up again and she told Dean again that she prayed for him nightly.

He smiled and politely thanked her again before calling on a slender white-haired woman in the front of the room. She started to talk about her deceased husband, but couldn't get the words out before emotion took over and she crumbled into tears.

Dean appeared to relax. He moved from behind the podium toward her chair, slipped his arm around the woman's shoulder and tried to comfort her.

"You don't have to talk about it," he said, rubbing her back in a circular motion.

For the next half-hour, Dean seemed to welcome these private, awkward confessions from the group. As a former physician, Dean could tell that one unhappy woman suffered from slight dementia as a result of a stroke. Others suffered from loneliness, Alzheimer's disease, and other ailments. His comments were compassionate, at times humorous. He was at his bedside manner best.

More: http://www.rutlandherald.com/election2000/Deantranscends.html

What a guy...

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

8. Obviously eyeing the presidency.

If the reporter from the Herald wasn't there he probably would have assaulted everybody in the building.

[dajabr]

14. LOL...

He handed out scripts and thorazine before his appearance. :silly:

[clar]

4. Is this what you're looking for?

Gov. Dean's Police State of Vermont Current rating: 0
by scott huminski
Email: s_huminski (at) hotmail.com (verified)
Phone: [phone] Jul 2003
Modified: 11:00:18 AM
Dean's subversion of the bill of rights via his judicial appointees
In a 1997 Vt News Bureau interview, Dean admitted his desire to appoint
judges willing to subvert the bill of rights. Now the fallout from Dean's
appointments are before the US 2nd Circuit at Foley Square, NYC in two
outrageous cases. Docket #s 03-7036, 02-6150, 02-6199, 02-6201 One case is
being prosecuted by Washington, DC first amendment attorney Robert
Corn-Revere against two of Dean's judges for their banishment of a Vermont
"citizen-reporter" for life from all state courthouses because he criticized one of Dean's judicial appointees. The other case features
(snip)
http://www.vermontindymedia.org/newswire/display_any/1264

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6. I already found that

and he is who I emailed asking for a citation to back up his first paragraph. In his story it isn't even a quote at all.

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7. Whoa! What a one-man anti-Dean campaign...

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=%22scott+huminski%22&btnG=Google+Search

It seems to have started with this:

"Huminski's lawsuit centered on an incident that occurred last May at the Rutland County District Courthouse. A self-described citizen-reporter, Huminski regularly attended court proceedings, collected information and later published his findings on signs posted on the outside of his home and on his van. On May 24, 1999, he attached to his van signs criticizing Rutland County District Court Judge Nancy Corsones and drove to the courthouse. One sign read "Judge Corsones: Butcher of the Constitution" and listed five ways Huminski thought Corsones had violated the Constitution.

Shortly after parking in the public parking lot, Huminski was approached by two Rutland County sheriff's officials who ordered him to remove the signs or move his van off state court property. Huminski refused, saying the signs represented constitutionally protected speech, and entered the courthouse.

Approximately two hours later while waiting in the corridor of the courthouse, Huminski was approached by a Rutland city police officer and representatives from the county sheriff's department. They served him with two notices of trespass issued by Corsones, the court clerk and the local sheriff. One notice ordered him not to enter properties controlled by the Rutland District Court, and the other ordered him not to enter Corsones' residential property."
http://www.freedomforum.org/templates/document.asp?documentID=11965

Yup, clearly Howard Dean himself is persecuting this martyr. :eyes:

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9. Gosh I just noticed

This is the guy who had brought the suits. No where in his article does he say that. Nor did he say this in his email back to me. Very interesting.

[Feanorcurufinwe]

5. I found this contact info

On the 'Contact Us' page of the Rutland Herald.

Vermont Press Bureau
112 Main Street
Montpelier, VT 05602
Phone: [phone]
Fax: [phone]


Of course is the 'Vermont Press Bureau' the same as the 'Vermont News Bureau'?

[Feanorcurufinwe]

20. did you try calling this number?

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10. It's Virginia Tech

http://www.unirel.vt.edu/vtnews.html

I didn't search for your story, but I'm sure you'll at least find an email address to try to get a citation.

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11. Huh?

What does Virginia Tech have to do with the Vermont News Bureau?

[sandnsea]

12. VT News Bureau

When you look for that Dean quote it's VT News Bureau. VT News Bureau is Virginia Tech.

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13. VT is the postal abbv for Vermont

and it was written out in the source I saw (which is in this thread)

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15. Trying to help you put that quote in context

I know VT is the postal code for Vermont. Good lord.

The only VT News Bureau sources I found were that quote and Virginia Tech. I sort of figured you cared enough to search the site yourself, guess not. So I did it for you. You might want to know there's alot of news resources to Governor Dean, all the way back to the Vermont Supreme Court ruling that gays had a right to legal protection and that the Legislature had to write a law providing that protection and the Governor, consequently, had to sign it. All the way back to 1997 at least, and there's still nothing about an interview that I could find.

In any event, I've read some material I think your quote relates to. If I'm not mistaken, it's in reference to the death penalty and guilty murderers being released after maneuvering through the system and finally hitting a technicality that triggers their release. Kind of like Arianna Huffington writing Pigs in the Trough, only to find out she's a tax-evading pig herself and then having people justify it with 'it's the law'. I find all of that a poor substitute for justice. I understand what he was saying and that he was not supporting violating people's rights.

You might also want to know Howard Dean is the only civil servant who has ever said anything I could remotely understand in support of the death penalty. The State releasing a dangerous child molester and then to have a child murdered puts the State in the position of being complicit to the murder. The State is the People. When the People do not appropriately do their duty to the children of a state, they are complicit in the resulting actions, even if its a murder. So I understand that.

I am capable of being objective about a candidate's views, even though I still think Howard Dean is not the man his supporters think he is. For instance, his signing the Civil Union law, which he really had to do, due to Vermont Supreme Court ruling.

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16. That has nothing to do with what I am asking

I heard him say the MTP stuff and frankly was unimpressed with it. But that is not what he was quoted as saying in 1997. Nor can it be what those people are backing their smear of him up with. They claimed he had given an interview with this organization (or maybe you didn't care enough to read my post in the first place). There is no way he gave an interview to a clipping archive.

You are also flat out gold carat wrong as rain on civil unions. He did not have to sign it.

I have posted this not one, not twice, not three times, not four times, but five seperate times. The Constitution of VT can be changed. It isn't that hard. It would have taken a 2/3 vote in the Senate, and a majority vote in the House in 2000. Then in 2001 the amendment would have been on the ballot. Had it recieved a majority it would have been sent back to the legislature for a majority vote in each house. Since the absolute highest civil unions polled in Vermont was 44 with a MOE of 5 it isn't hard to see that happening. Three states have had substantially similar decisions in this regard. Alaska, Hawaii, and Vermont. Only Vermont didn't amend its constitution. Hawaii did so for the first time in its entire statehood. Only Vermont has civil unions. That isn't an accident.

[sandnsea]

17. Have you found VT News Bureau yet?

I'm trying to say it's looking like this quote may have been picked up wrong in the first place. It is highly unusual to have the exact same quote repeated numerous times verbatim with no other reference to it at all. And in VT News Bureau there is a reference to an interview with several governors on the death penalty. Regardless of the MTP interview, this quote still sounds like something relating to his death penalty position and statements that have been attributed to him otherwise. You can't even try to help somebody on this board without getting pissed all over.

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18. Sorry you are right

I shouldn't have been nasty. I have no idea where they got this quote. I still don't think your theory is right since Vermont doesn't have, nor was it considering, a death penalty in 97. He clearly isn't the best on criminal issues I will give his critics that. But at best this was a chopped quote and I want to see the original.

If they are at all accurate this interview was in regards to judicial (VT Supreme CT) appointments.

I do stand behind what I said in regards to civil unions though.

[sandnsea]

19. I apologize too

I got snippy too. I really was just trying to be helpful. I don't like to see any candidate misquoted and it happens way too often. And I've hunted for anything pertaining to this and just can't find anything remotely resembling it or any Vermont News Source. I'll keep it in the back of my mind as I do tend to hunt down original interviews and speeches to verify statements and context.

And I understand your position on civil unions, but based on everything I've read, I just disagree.

[Feanorcurufinwe]

21. I contacted

Peter Freyne, who I guess is a relatively well known journalist in Vermont, after I read this on counterpunch (http://www.counterpunch.org/jacobs08292003.html):

" Reporter Peter Freyne, now one of Dean's great supporters, asked his readers at the time to "Remember the guy who once said 95 percent of people charged with crimes are guilty anyway so why should the state spend money on providing them with lawyers?"

because this sounded so similar to the quote ascribed to the Vermont News Bureau. Mr. Freyne did confirm the counterpunch quote as being from a Dean press conference. But he said he couldn't recall the hartmann quote - which satisfies me that it is bogus.

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22. I finally got in contact with Hartmann

who has since pulled his article due to not being able to source the quote.