Hillary/Clark 2004?

[CoffeePlease1947]

Hillary Clinton is still considering a bid for the Presidency. On September 6th she is meeting with pollsters and financial people to consider a bid for the Presidency. Most polls show she will suck the air out of all the other candidates placing somewhere between 37-48% of the vote. With super delegates and a big campaign she could win the nomination. Clark is also waiting until after the 6th of September to make an announcement. Dean has been meeting with Clark, supposedly to get the HHS Secretary postion.
Polls also show Hillary closested to Bush in a head to head race. Surely Hillary would not pass up being President if she knows she could win.
Clark I think would be choosen because he would make up for the 35 point gap they have on National Security against Republicans. Clark would also help carry Arkansas.

I wonder how that ticket would play in Florida.

Read this article.

http://www.ctnow.com/news/opinion/op_ed/hc-reeves0827.artaug27,0,5769725.story?coll=hc-headlines-oped

Mike

[bowens43]

1. IMO any ticket with Hillary

is a sure loser. There is no way she could win. She is much more hated by the right then she is loved by the left. I know MANY Democrats who would not vote for her and I doubt very much that she could win theswing vote. Let's hope she has the good sense to realize that 04 isn't her year.

[liberalnurse]

2. Why are folks so distracted

by a wish list? We have at least 8 fine candidates to focus on...This is a waste of time. We have the worst battle ahead of us. Lets get on board with the real candidates.

I'm in for the long haul and the political civil war of the century!
I'm not minimizing this at all. We must unite now verses dreaming and piddling around chewing the fat, busting chops and resulting in an inevitable, getting lost in the dust of *bush and rove.

[renie408]

3. I have to agree with the other posters...

I don't think that Hillary stands much of a chance of being elected and I don't think she has anything to offer at this point.

[delhurgo]

4. I agree that Hillary cant win,...

and never will be able to, imo. She's seen as being too far left, and would energize the conservative base like no other candidate. Quite frankly, she's a real problem for the party, because the year she decides to actually run, she'll likely win the nomination - and then will lose the presidency in a landslide. Actually it'd be better for democrats if she'd lose her senate seat to Guiliani or whoever in the next election. That would get her out of the way for the future. I know that sounds like an unusual thing for democrats to hope for, but I think it would be best for the party.

[renie408]

7. I agree again...

that is what I would worry about. Her winning the nomination and then losing the election. God, can you imagine the field day the Bush campaign machine would have with her??

[papau]

5. Hillary would win but with a larger "gender gap" -

Many Male's fear her.

The females that hate her are loud but small in number - indeed she'd get a very large majority of the female vote and easily overcome the lack of a majority in males.

That said, we have good folks out there - but if she wants in - she should go for it!

Anyone but Bush includes Hillary!

[Democrats unite]

6. Anybody who thinks Hillary cannot win needs a reality check.

The far right hating Hillary so much IMO would insure her victory!

[Mairead]

8. Perhaps not.

For my part, I'd vote for Dean before I'd vote for her...and I won't vote for Dean.

I've voted for a Republican 4 times in my life: Nixon, Clinton twice, and Gore.

With Nixon it took me awhile to figure out I'd made a mistake.
With Clinton I felt a little queasy the first time and a lot queasier the second.
With Gore I definitely knew I was choosing --and thus empowering-- the lesser evil.

No more. Never again.

[indigo32]

9. I love it

you are telling people what party they are part of? LOL
BTW I wouldn't be excited about Hilary either, not at all.

[renie408]

12. Did I miss something??

When did Clinton and Gore become Republicans??

[renie408]

13. Duh...

I get it now.

Clinton and Gore were not left enough for you.

*pffffttt*

[Mairead]

15. Duh indeed

They were to the right of Nixon in important ways, and even of Eisenhower. I think that qualifies them as Republicans, unless you believe that labels are more important than substance.

[renie408]

19. I wonder about the left and right thing.

I wonder if society as a whole is more right now than it was thirty years ago. So you could be 'right of Nixon', but still be left of the majority of society. See what I mean? I think that conservatism and liberalism come and go in waves and backlashes, so the definition of 'left' and 'right' would therefore be equally fluid. This is a thought I am working on, so I haven't perfected it. What do you think??

[Mairead]

20. I think there are a lot of *claims* that that's the case

but I have to consider them self-serving, absent unbiased evidence. The only way to tell is to put up candidates all across the spectrum--not just center-right and far-right--and give them scrupulously evenhanded treatment in publicity such that, to the extent it's possible at all, people are actually voting freely for the policies they want.

Speaking from his experience as an organiser, Alinsky asserted that whether people stand up depends on whether they feel they count. If they do feel they count, they do stand up, but if not, not. Which suggests that the approximately 105M potential voters who sat out the 2000 election felt as though neither candidate represented them (yes, they didn't vote for Nader, either, but that's where the 'scrupulously evenhanded treatment' comes into it--Nader was painted alternately as No-Account Buffoon and Demon From The Pit by both sides).

[clar]

10. I don't care for Hillary

never have, doubt I ever will. I'm a woman. I'm a liberal and I know I'm not alone. Stay out Hil.

[renie408]

11. What she said...

Tried...can't. Will vote for her if I have to in the national election, would prefer not to.

I know for a fact that we would lose people like my mother, a life long Republican, who is seriously considering voting Dem next year to get rid of Bush. But she would either vote Republican again or abstain from voting altogether if the choice is Bush or Hillary.

[DrFunkenstein]

14. Heinz/Clark?

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Now there is someone that can kick Bush's ass!

[Razorback1]

16. Not till 2008

Hillary will wait till 2008 to run, It is her year!

[Garage Queen]

17. According to Chris Matthews it's 100% certain she WON'T run in 2004

Said it on the Today Show this morning, around 7:20. HE says the meeting is simply about fundraising for her reelection campaign to the Senate. I can't vouch for his credibility but he made it sound like he had been speaking with some inside folks.

[CoffeePlease1947]

18. She cannot run in 2008

The incumbant Democrat will be renominated.

Mike